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Post by musicbox on Jun 13, 2022 9:22:39 GMT
I can’t be bothered multi quoting, but in regards to my comments about the vans - I’m very aware that it’s standard practice to get the set out when the show is over, but for some reason I expected them to wait until Monday morning yesterday as I’ve seen before with shows that close on a matinee, as logistically it makes more sense to have the full day to work with rather than a few hours on a Sunday night, but obviously I was wrong.
The two grey vans pulled up right outside the main entrance and the crowd had to move to accommodate them…so if you didn’t see them I’m not sure what to say.
I also have a photo that I took to show a friend who didn’t believe me about how long the que was, and you can clearly see the vans in the end of the shot. I say that because it was mildly suggested that I made it up by another member, which slightly bothers me as I’m a very honest person and wouldn’t lie about something so trivial.
Anyway, I’m glad some of you like my write up! I had a great day overall and it was so nice to meet Carrie.
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Post by musicbox on Jun 13, 2022 9:28:20 GMT
Excellent writeup musicbox. I also noticed Rodney's antics being dragged back and was appalled. I will be happy for him to be forgotten after this, he must be an absolute nightmare to work with Thank you! I was literally mortified when he had to be pulled back to his place by a cast member, you could tell they are just over his acting up. I also found it quite hilarious how he was standing outside the theatre with massive big eye sunglasses on after the show as if he was Whitney Houston, literally everyone was waiting for Carrie and he looked like a plum trying to attract attention. Victoria literally walks out with a head scarf on and continues to the tube station, she actually said on Instagram if you want a photo please come up and let me know or otherwise I’ll assume no one’s bothered.
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Post by fiyero on Jun 13, 2022 9:46:39 GMT
Victoria literally walks out with a head scarf on and continues to the tube station, she actually said on Instagram if you want a photo please come up and let me know or otherwise I’ll assume no one’s bothered. I saw the massive queue and was intrigued whether other cast members would walk along it or just assume everyone was there for Carrie. No offence to Carrie but If I was stage dooring I'd rather see Victoria!
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Post by marob on Jun 13, 2022 9:46:58 GMT
Excellent writeup musicbox. I also noticed Rodney's antics being dragged back and was appalled. I will be happy for him to be forgotten after this, he must be an absolute nightmare to work with Thank you! I was literally mortified when he had to be pulled back to his place by a cast member, you could tell they are just over his acting up. I also found it quite hilarious how he was standing outside the theatre with massive big eye sunglasses on after the show as if he was Whitney Houston, literally everyone was waiting for Carrie and he looked like a plum trying to attract attention. Victoria literally walks out with a head scarf on and continues to the tube station, she actually said on Instagram if you want a photo please come up and let me know or otherwise I’ll assume no one’s bothered. I knew going in that he was an attention seeker, so when he sashayed to the front of the stage, right where I was sitting, I thought it was quite funny when he was yanked back into place.
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 13, 2022 9:51:28 GMT
Thank you! I was literally mortified when he had to be pulled back to his place by a cast member, you could tell they are just over his acting up. I also found it quite hilarious how he was standing outside the theatre with massive big eye sunglasses on after the show as if he was Whitney Houston, literally everyone was waiting for Carrie and he looked like a plum trying to attract attention. Victoria literally walks out with a head scarf on and continues to the tube station, she actually said on Instagram if you want a photo please come up and let me know or otherwise I’ll assume no one’s bothered. He sashayed to the front of the stage right where I was sitting so I thought it was quite funny when he was yanked back into place. Who pulled him back? Give them a medal
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Post by danb on Jun 13, 2022 9:53:46 GMT
Apparently he’s going to tell his story at some point. "Dante Cadbury" is the name he gave to his character in the show... Perhaps he has a good team leader hourly rate to go to in Lidl?
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Post by ladidah on Jun 13, 2022 10:01:30 GMT
his character didn't even have a name!?
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Post by scarpia on Jun 13, 2022 10:08:59 GMT
Absolute nonsense. Hal Prince could not make ALW do anything that he didn't agree to, not when it came to the music. He persuaded ALW and Tim Rice to drop a song from Evita, big deal, and maybe tone down the rock element in Phantom. And you characterise that as ALW being completely subservient to the director. And your remarks "derivative, bland, banal' mean absolutely nothing, they are merely vague unsupported assertions by you. Oliver, this is not about "subservient" or "ego". This is about the fact that Andrew clearly needs people around him that question his choices and confront him, and those people are saving the quality of his music and shows. You see how it goes very wrong when those people are not there, when there are only yes-people. We see that in Cinderella now, and we also see that Andrew is ruining his older shows such as Phantom, as soon as those people are no longer there. Oliver, you misrepresent the influence a director like Hal Prince has/had. Evita was a special case since, like Cinderella, it was a concept album first. Hal rightly concluded that, since it is entirely exposition, 'The Lady's Got Potential' would not be right for a staged piece and required something that showed Perón's rise to power in a dramatic way (he also got Rice to improve a few lyrics). But with Phantom, a LOT changed - just look at the difference between the show's Sydmonton presentation and the final product. Hal would have been there to say what the show ought to sound like, where a song should go, where a song should be omitted, and, in many cases, would have told ALW his opinion (which ALW respected) that certain writing wasn't good enough. For example, 'Prima Donna' is only there because Hal told ALW that its predecessor, 'Papers', was not good enough. With Cinderella, ALW wrote the score, handed it to Connor, and expected him to stage it as is. Connor is not a man to tell ALW that certain parts of the writing were weak or could be improved.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 13, 2022 10:15:56 GMT
Goodness me, you would have thought he had the star role. He has the starring role in my heart ❤️
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Post by max on Jun 13, 2022 10:17:54 GMT
Oliver, this is not about "subservient" or "ego". This is about the fact that Andrew clearly needs people around him that question his choices and confront him, and those people are saving the quality of his music and shows. You see how it goes very wrong when those people are not there, when there are only yes-people. We see that in Cinderella now, and we also see that Andrew is ruining his older shows such as Phantom, as soon as those people are no longer there. Oliver, you misrepresent the influence a director like Hal Prince has/had. Evita was a special case since, like Cinderella, it was a concept album first. Hal rightly concluded that, since it is entirely exposition, 'The Lady's Got Potential' would not be right for a staged piece and required something that showed Perón's rise to power in a dramatic way (he also got Rice to improve a few lyrics). But with Phantom, a LOT changed - just look at the difference between the show's Sydmonton presentation and the final product. Hal would have been there to say what the show ought to sound like, where a song should go, where a song should be omitted, and, in many cases, would have told ALW his opinion (which ALW respected) that certain writing wasn't good enough. For example, 'Prima Donna' is only there because Hal told ALW that its predecessor, 'Papers', was not good enough. With Cinderella, ALW wrote the score, handed it to Connor, and expected him to stage it as is. Connor is not a man to tell ALW that certain parts of the writing were weak or could be improved. Hal Prince's early instinct was that he didn't care for 'Dangerous Jade' (later called 'Peron's Latest Flame') - yet that became perhaps his biggest staging triumph of the show (and its Brechtian blocks of people sometimes get credited as a Hal Prince idea which it obviously wasn't). So it's a conversation, not a diktat, or someone being subservient to another. Sometimes each collaborator takes a while to buy into another way of seeing it, but hopefully only rarely feels like 'giving in' or 'losing the argument'. I think we're just questioning if ALW has those people around him, and how genuine that conversation is. Everyone can role play that it's happening, but is it really?
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 13, 2022 10:21:17 GMT
Some interesting takes
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Post by inthenose on Jun 13, 2022 10:21:37 GMT
Apparently he’s going to tell his story at some point. "Dante Cadbury" is the name he gave to his character in the show... He is henceforth going to be The Milkybar Kid in my head canon and in my future comments about him.
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Post by cezbear on Jun 13, 2022 10:22:25 GMT
Goodness me, you would have thought he had the star role. He has the starring role in my heart ❤️
I have never quite seen someone embody the phrase 'main character energy' quite so much. I can't imagine how he's been able to get away with that behaviour. I think I've said it before but I also think the echo chamber of fellow performers on socials and probably in person has a lot to answer for here. If your peers are constantly calling you fabulous and yass queening at you, you're going to assume you're the hero of the piece at all times (as opposed to a pain in the rear ensemble member who is a poor cover of a small role).
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Post by inthenose on Jun 13, 2022 10:24:14 GMT
Oliver, this is not about "subservient" or "ego". This is about the fact that Andrew clearly needs people around him that question his choices and confront him, and those people are saving the quality of his music and shows. You see how it goes very wrong when those people are not there, when there are only yes-people. We see that in Cinderella now, and we also see that Andrew is ruining his older shows such as Phantom, as soon as those people are no longer there. Oliver, you misrepresent the influence a director like Hal Prince has/had. Evita was a special case since, like Cinderella, it was a concept album first. Hal rightly concluded that, since it is entirely exposition, 'The Lady's Got Potential' would not be right for a staged piece and required something that showed Perón's rise to power in a dramatic way (he also got Rice to improve a few lyrics). But with Phantom, a LOT changed - just look at the difference between the show's Sydmonton presentation and the final product. Hal would have been there to say what the show ought to sound like, where a song should go, where a song should be omitted, and, in many cases, would have told ALW his opinion (which ALW respected) that certain writing wasn't good enough. For example, 'Prima Donna' is only there because Hal told ALW that its predecessor, 'Papers', was not good enough. With Cinderella, ALW wrote the score, handed it to Connor, and expected him to stage it as is. Connor is not a man to tell ALW that certain parts of the writing were weak or could be improved. I loved in the Grandage where they play duck duck goose 🤣
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Post by inthenose on Jun 13, 2022 10:29:25 GMT
That certain cast member - what an absolute card. It's all so funny, he's so brave, big and clever sticking it to the man! I can't wait to see him in his next big leading role, which he'll get - he is a company manager's dream! Coming soon to a Starbucks near you. He had six official warnings. Three final warnings. THREE FINAL WARNINGS. Well, the crew you treated like ****, the people fitting your mics, the people calling your cues, the people who wanted to drop tabs on your head. Everyone hates you. He was unsackable, short of a single gross misconduct incident which they couldn't get him on. All the disciplinaries and "improvement plans" doesn't make it easier to sack someone, especially certain individuals. Loathed by all backstage. Three final warnings? Sounds like weak management. Isn’t the idea you go after what would be the next infringement after the first final warning? Some people are unsackable for litigation avoidance reasons.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 13, 2022 10:38:07 GMT
He has the starring role in my heart ❤️
I have never quite seen someone embody the phrase 'main character energy' quite so much. I can't imagine how he's been able to get away with that behaviour. I think I've said it before but I also think the echo chamber of fellow performers on socials and probably in person has a lot to answer for here. If your peers are constantly calling you fabulous and yass queening at you, you're going to assume you're the hero of the piece at all times (as opposed to a pain in the rear ensemble member who is a poor cover of a small role).
I LOL’d at that 😆
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Post by Oliver on Jun 13, 2022 10:38:54 GMT
Oliver, this is not about "subservient" or "ego". This is about the fact that Andrew clearly needs people around him that question his choices and confront him, and those people are saving the quality of his music and shows. You see how it goes very wrong when those people are not there, when there are only yes-people. We see that in Cinderella now, and we also see that Andrew is ruining his older shows such as Phantom, as soon as those people are no longer there. Oliver, you misrepresent the influence a director like Hal Prince has/had. Evita was a special case since, like Cinderella, it was a concept album first. Hal rightly concluded that, since it is entirely exposition, 'The Lady's Got Potential' would not be right for a staged piece and required something that showed Perón's rise to power in a dramatic way (he also got Rice to improve a few lyrics). But with Phantom, a LOT changed - just look at the difference between the show's Sydmonton presentation and the final product. Hal would have been there to say what the show ought to sound like, where a song should go, where a song should be omitted, and, in many cases, would have told ALW his opinion (which ALW respected) that certain writing wasn't good enough. For example, 'Prima Donna' is only there because Hal told ALW that its predecessor, 'Papers', was not good enough. With Cinderella, ALW wrote the score, handed it to Connor, and expected him to stage it as is. Connor is not a man to tell ALW that certain parts of the writing were weak or could be improved. Would you not expect the final production in the West End to be vastly superior to Sydmonton? Does ALW not deserve any credit for this? Was he just following orders? I don't think so, not in his style. Sure, Hal Prince would have made suggestions, so too would have ALW. It's not all one way. Also Hal did not decide on the placement of the songs and what should go where, that was ALW. Hal only made suggestions for changes where he thought there was a dramatic necessity to do so. ALW's scores are through composed so you can't just switch things up like that, not without sacrificing the structural integrity of the work. Hal's requests for changes to the music were minimal and respectful to the composer's vision.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 13, 2022 10:43:23 GMT
Oliver, you misrepresent the influence a director like Hal Prince has/had. Evita was a special case since, like Cinderella, it was a concept album first. Hal rightly concluded that, since it is entirely exposition, 'The Lady's Got Potential' would not be right for a staged piece and required something that showed Perón's rise to power in a dramatic way (he also got Rice to improve a few lyrics). But with Phantom, a LOT changed - just look at the difference between the show's Sydmonton presentation and the final product. Hal would have been there to say what the show ought to sound like, where a song should go, where a song should be omitted, and, in many cases, would have told ALW his opinion (which ALW respected) that certain writing wasn't good enough. For example, 'Prima Donna' is only there because Hal told ALW that its predecessor, 'Papers', was not good enough. With Cinderella, ALW wrote the score, handed it to Connor, and expected him to stage it as is. Connor is not a man to tell ALW that certain parts of the writing were weak or could be improved. Would you not expect the final production in the West End to be vastly superior to Sydmonton? Does ALW not deserve any credit for this? Was he just following orders? I don't think so, not in his style. Sure, Hal Prince would have made suggestions, so too would have ALW. It's not all one way. Also Hal did not decide on the placement of the songs and what should go where, that was ALW. Hal only made suggestions for changes where he thought there was a dramatic necessity to do so. ALW's scores are through composed so you can't just switch things up like that, not without sacrificing the structural integrity of the work. Hal's requests for changes to the music were minimal and respectful to the composer's vision. Andy is never going to kiss you, mate. You need to move on and find someone who loves you for the beautiful person you are inside.
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 13, 2022 11:10:21 GMT
For me the score was lovely. Not in my top ten of ALW but lovely. The book and lyrics let it down massively
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Post by lolalou on Jun 13, 2022 12:22:55 GMT
Check out the #on Rodney Vubya’s post. Clearly thinks he’s the main character in all of this. Look Andy clearly isn’t the greatest with words. He’s been an almighty d*** about some other things in the past but let’s not imagine for a second he was calling the CAST a costly mistake. Pretty sure he meant trying to start a musical at the start of a pandemic. ThiS lad is just wanting to prolong the draaaaammma. It’s probably the only only drama he’ll see for a while after his rotten attitude #byebyerodney . http://instagram.com/p/CeviwHCov-O
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Post by lolalou on Jun 13, 2022 12:53:44 GMT
Check out the #on Rodney Vubya’s post. Clearly thinks he’s the main character in all of this. Look Andy clearly isn’t the greatest with words. He’s been an almighty d*** about some other things in the past but let’s not imagine for a second he was calling the CAST a costly mistake. Pretty sure he meant trying to start a musical at the start of a pandemic. ThiS lad is just wanting to prolong the draaaaammma. It’s probably the only only drama he’ll see for a while after his rotten attitude #byebyerodney . http://instagr.am/p/CeviwHCov-O Yuck. I had to comment on that post. I couldn't resist Watch it disappear in 5,4,3,2.... You’re ruining the narrative... This is Rodders truth! Persecuted to the end...personally... just him...alone... #DanteCadburyYouMelt
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Post by cezbear on Jun 13, 2022 13:02:45 GMT
Yuck. I had to comment on that post. I couldn't resist Watch it disappear in 5,4,3,2.... You’re ruining the narrative... This is Rodders truth! Persecuted to the end...personally... just him...alone... #DanteCadburyYouMeltIf I knew how to do such a thing I would be trying to make that hashtag trend right now.
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Post by danb on Jun 13, 2022 13:15:23 GMT
Yuck. I had to comment on that post. I couldn't resist Watch it disappear in 5,4,3,2.... You’re ruining the narrative... This is Rodders truth! Persecuted to the end...personally... just him...alone... #DanteCadburyYouMelt He’s proof, if it were needed, that empty vessels do indeed make the most noise.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 13, 2022 13:20:50 GMT
He will be trying out for Drag Race next. So he can slay all before him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 13:30:07 GMT
Apparently Rodney has got an audition for his next gig as a supermarket delivery driver, but there are concerns over his lack of ability to read the dots in the right order. It’s fine to not like him. It’s fine to think his behavior is inappropriate. But this makes you absolutely NO better than him. A classless, unnecessary joke about whose intelligence you have no personal knowledge of. Be better than the people you criticize, or you’re just throwing stones from a glass house. Kept reading and saw just how many comments are like this. I agree, he’s ridiculous and rather vile. But what does the cruelty here accomplish?
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Post by danb on Jun 13, 2022 13:50:45 GMT
Apparently Rodney has got an audition for his next gig as a supermarket delivery driver, but there are concerns over his lack of ability to read the dots in the right order. It’s fine to not like him. It’s fine to think his behavior is inappropriate. But this makes you absolutely NO better than him. A classless, unnecessary joke about whose intelligence you have no personal knowledge of. Be better than the people you criticize, or you’re just throwing stones from a glass house. Kept reading and saw just how many comments are like this. I agree, he’s ridiculous and rather vile. But what does the cruelty here accomplish? Likewise. What do you hope to achieve with your high handed moralising? It’s hardly cruelty. It’s attempting to make a mockery of the persona he is trying to create and the likely result of doing so.
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Post by ceebee on Jun 13, 2022 14:12:22 GMT
Apparently Rodney has got an audition for his next gig as a supermarket delivery driver, but there are concerns over his lack of ability to read the dots in the right order. It’s fine to not like him. It’s fine to think his behavior is inappropriate. But this makes you absolutely NO better than him. A classless, unnecessary joke about whose intelligence you have no personal knowledge of. Be better than the people you criticize, or you’re just throwing stones from a glass house. Kept reading and saw just how many comments are like this. I agree, he’s ridiculous and rather vile. But what does the cruelty here accomplish? It's hardly cruel to question somebody's competence to do a less skilled job than the one they are trained to do, particularly when that person has publicly professed their own ineptness when it comes to reading 'the dots' in the right order. It's throwing shade back at the original thrower and entirely legitimate.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Jun 13, 2022 14:17:00 GMT
I queued up with my programme yesterday as I hadn’t managed to get it signed when I went in April. The highlight was actually meeting some fellow stage doorers and we had a blast even before anyone came out.
Interestingly everybody around me and beyond stopped Rodney for autographs and pictures and showered him with praise. How at odds with the consensus on here!
I didn’t speak to him but perhaps I should have got my programme signed. If he’s not in anything ever again it’d be a rare collectors’ item lol!
Completely hate that he’s making out the costly mistake comment to be about the cast/show itself. That was never the intention surely and only the stoniest of hearts would put that very sentiment into a letter to be read out in that way. Appalling choice of words, yes, but many on here and social media WANT us to align with the pantomime villain narrative.
I don’t know enough about it all - not many will - and it’s alarming how many are willing to be judge, jury and executioner without knowing EVERYTHING.
For this reason, I’m neutral and not taking sides, but I do feel sad for all concerned.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 13, 2022 14:48:57 GMT
As Laurence Connor said, it’s easy to look for a villain. He’s right. Even ALW with his odd perspective on matters wouldn’t have chosen the closing show to sneer at the cast. If anything it was an admission of his own failure, but just badly worded enough for all the people with delicate sensibilities to take offence. Many of the younger generation are being encouraged to not “let anyone dim your light” and other such life affirming cliches. And that’s lovely, maybe my generation could have done with a bit more of that. But if that’s what’s going on here they’re not exactly dealing with it like people whose light will not be dimmed are they? Their lights seem to get snuffed out at the mearest whisp of air. Soooo offended at absolutely everything. How on earth are they going to deal when really bad things happening their lives?
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Post by squidward on Jun 13, 2022 15:08:27 GMT
As Laurence Connor said, it’s easy to look for a villain. He’s right. Even ALW with his odd perspective on matters wouldn’t have chosen the closing show to sneer at the cast. If anything it was an admission of his own failure, but just badly worded enough for all the people with delicate sensibilities to take offence. Many of the younger generation are being encouraged to not “let anyone dim your light” and other such life affirming cliches. And that’s lovely, maybe my generation could have done with a bit more of that. But if that’s what’s going on here they’re not exactly dealing with it like people whose light will not be dimmed are they? Their lights seem to get snuffed out at the mearest whisp of air. Soooo offended at absolutely everything. How on earth are they going to deal when really bad things happening their lives? Well said. You are SO right. I see this happening all the time with my early twenty-something daughter and her friends. I do worry about how they’ll fare going forward into the big, bad world.
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