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Post by talkingheads on May 2, 2022 13:21:07 GMT
Luke Latchman's tweet is absolutely heartbreaking. What a vile way to treat people, after such an awful few years for theatre as well.
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Post by talkingheads on May 2, 2022 13:23:11 GMT
Whilst I appreciate the hurt and pain caused, especially for those making their West End/professional debuts, I do hope that none of these come to regret comments/videos made in response to this because they've been caught up in the madness of it all. I'm just not sure that someone at the start of their career, with no "clout", shaming their former (potential-)employer looks good. Sure, be angry... but they also need to remember that people like Strallen and Fletcher can afford to be this public about their outrage. They'll likely pick up fans because of it, sure, but what about potential future employers? No. This is entirely the fault of ALW and the producers. Any things said/written in anger by people who have lost their income, job security and more in such abhorrent circumstances is entirely justified.
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Post by anthony on May 2, 2022 13:28:07 GMT
Whilst I appreciate the hurt and pain caused, especially for those making their West End/professional debuts, I do hope that none of these come to regret comments/videos made in response to this because they've been caught up in the madness of it all. I'm just not sure that someone at the start of their career, with no "clout", shaming their former (potential-)employer looks good. Sure, be angry... but they also need to remember that people like Strallen and Fletcher can afford to be this public about their outrage. They'll likely pick up fans because of it, sure, but what about potential future employers? No. This is entirely the fault of ALW and the producers. Any things said/written in anger by people who have lost their income, job security and more in such abhorrent circumstances is entirely justified. But you're thinking about this purely from a fan point of view. And to be honest, whilst people losing their jobs and finding out this way is horrific (no question there, before people start with the hate!), once context has been applied (well, as long as the information we learned in the Strallen live stream is 100% true,) this situation really isn't as insidious as it's being made out to be. Again, to emphasise: as long as everything in the Strallen video is 100% true, it genuinely sounds like rumours grew out of control, leading to anger within the cast, meaning that RUG had their hand forced and had to announce over the Bank Holiday weekend. Let's be real: there is no way that this was the plan.
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Post by marob on May 2, 2022 13:33:25 GMT
One of the things Summer Strallen said was that she’d lost out on jobs in the past because she’d been involved with the union. And it’s because people fear any repercussions from going to the unions that stuff like this continues to happen, which is why people need to call this kind of crappy treatment out, and keep calling it out.
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Post by stagebyte on May 2, 2022 13:42:07 GMT
No. This is entirely the fault of ALW and the producers. Any things said/written in anger by people who have lost their income, job security and more in such abhorrent circumstances is entirely justified. But you're thinking about this purely from a fan point of view. And to be honest, whilst people losing their jobs and finding out this way is horrific (no question there, before people start with the hate!), once context has been applied (well, as long as the information we learned in the Strallen live stream is 100% true,) this situation really isn't as insidious as it's being made out to be. Again, to emphasise: as long as everything in the Strallen video is 100% true, it genuinely sounds like rumours grew out of control, leading to anger within the cast, meaning that RUG had their hand forced and had to announce over the Bank Holiday weekend. Let's be real: there is no way that this was the plan. Yes agree. It is justified but you don’t want to burn bridges. If we all take a step back emotionally, an (ill advised) email was sent out yesterday on a Sunday. It’s BH Monday today. Who knows what will be said to the current /incoming cast tomorrow. For all they know the incoming cast have been sacked from the WE show and going on tour with it! I mean I know that’s a silly assumption but better to keep your powder dry and wait for the full facts to emerge before joining in with the pitchforks. Particularly the graduates. I’m remembering the whole dissing of the boss during the ‘service industry’ debacle It’s just a mess all round.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2022 14:00:49 GMT
Just watched a few mins of the Summer Strallen livestream (sorry, not sitting through 160 minutes of it!) but she isn’t blaming ALW personally. “He’s just the composer and owns the theatre”. Her view is that other people at RUG is making these decisions but doesn’t know who.
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Post by Deal J on May 2, 2022 14:05:47 GMT
Awful news for the cast and all staff affected.
Tell Me On A Sunday? Please.
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Post by Jon on May 2, 2022 14:07:28 GMT
Just watched a few mins of the Summer Strallen livestream (sorry, not sitting through 160 minutes of it!) but she isn’t blaming ALW personally. “He’s just the composer and owns the theatre”. Her view is that other people at RUG is making these decisions but doesn’t know who. Surely ALW being producer and theatre owner would mean that he would know how Cinderella was doing. It does make me wonder if keeping ALW away from a production is actually a benefit.
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Post by stuartmcd on May 2, 2022 14:14:19 GMT
Just watched a few mins of the Summer Strallen livestream (sorry, not sitting through 160 minutes of it!) but she isn’t blaming ALW personally. “He’s just the composer and owns the theatre”. Her view is that other people at RUG is making these decisions but doesn’t know who. Yeah she was very careful not to completely throw ALW under the bus. And there is something to be said about how whilst ALW will of course been a big decision maker in closing the show, it isn’t really his job to then inform all of the people affected by the closing. I think Summer was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he may not have known that it was being handled in such a bad way.
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Post by Jon on May 2, 2022 14:19:09 GMT
I like Summer but she’s very naive if she thinks ALW only the composer and theatre owner. He’s been producing shows for decades, he should along with the other producers know how to handle a closing notice.
It wasn’t that long ago that ALW threatened to sell his theatres, he has a habit of hyperbole which must be tiring for those who work for him.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2022 14:19:20 GMT
I skipped forward a bit and landed on them chatting with Daisy who was gushing about being in love with Summer ever since she saw her as Cassie in A Chorus Line. Summer had to correct her. Awks! 😟
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Post by inthenose on May 2, 2022 14:31:22 GMT
Number one most read story on the BBC News website. Call it Bad PR Cinderella...
I've said this three times now, and I'm being as subtle as I can with my hints (which isn't very) but people are still saying they are planning to go in June.
To avoid disappointment try and exchange these tickets for a much earlier date
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Post by Mark on May 2, 2022 14:34:25 GMT
Number one most read story on the BBC News website. Call it Bad PR Cinderella... I've said this three times now, and I'm being as subtle as I can with my hints (which isn't very) but people are still saying they are planning to go in June. To avoid disappointment try and exchange these tickets for a much earlier dateGosh, if it does close even earlier they really won’t be helping with the terrible PR.
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Post by scarpia on May 2, 2022 14:36:56 GMT
Just watched a few mins of the Summer Strallen livestream (sorry, not sitting through 160 minutes of it!) but she isn’t blaming ALW personally. “He’s just the composer and owns the theatre”. Her view is that other people at RUG is making these decisions but doesn’t know who. Yeah she was very careful not to completely throw ALW under the bus. And there is something to be said about how whilst ALW will of course been a big decision maker in closing the show, it isn’t really his job to then inform all of the people affected by the closing. I think Summer was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he may not have known that it was being handled in such a bad way. ALW heads up RUG and owns it all. It's his decision and ultimately his responsibility. When this all happened with Sunset he blamed Paramount (Paramount denied) who were co-producing; this time it's no-one's fault but his. Summer Strallen said in her video that she doesn't blame him as 'he's just the composer and lyricist and owns the theatre'. Aside from her mistake in calling him the lyricist, I can only assume she avoided mentioning he was the producer to maintain a professional relationship with him.
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Post by cezbear on May 2, 2022 14:37:30 GMT
I'm booked for closing and can't see it making it that far (per the heavy hints from inthenose). But the dilemma being, how to know which date to exchange for, I would like to see the final show if I possibly can. If closing even earlier is it possible there will just be an announcement one day saying sorry guys, that was it, not opening tomorrow? Would be a shame if so.
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Post by inthenose on May 2, 2022 14:40:46 GMT
Yeah she was very careful not to completely throw ALW under the bus. And there is something to be said about how whilst ALW will of course been a big decision maker in closing the show, it isn’t really his job to then inform all of the people affected by the closing. I think Summer was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he may not have known that it was being handled in such a bad way. ALW heads up RUG and owns it all. It's his decision and ultimately his responsibility. When this all happened with Sunset he blamed Paramount (Paramount denied) who were co-producing; this time it's no-one's fault but his. Summer Strallen said in her video that she doesn't blame him as 'he's just the composer and lyricist and owns the theatre'. Aside from her mistake in calling him the lyricist, I can only assume she avoided mentioning he was the producer to maintain a professional relationship with him.Which is very wise. Everyone in her position is rightly furious, heartbroken and on edge to an extreme degree right now. It would be unwise, however, to say or do things (even though they are entirely justified in doing so) which would alienate them from one of the most powerful, best paying and largest employing producers in the world. I know it hurts, I know it sucks, but now it's about finding the next job and every option needs to be on the table.
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Post by fiyero on May 2, 2022 14:43:36 GMT
Number one most read story on the BBC News website. Call it Bad PR Cinderella... I've said this three times now, and I'm being as subtle as I can with my hints (which isn't very) but people are still saying they are planning to go in June. To avoid disappointment try and exchange these tickets for a much earlier dateWill be even more ugly if it comes off even earlier. Hopefully they can stretch it out until then. I have my front row ticket for 18/05 as well as hurriedly booked circle ticket for 12/06. I really hope that happens as I might not be so lucky in being able to ,a,e another date!
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Post by scarpia on May 2, 2022 14:49:54 GMT
Has anyone heard before of an incoming company getting an offer withdrawn like Summer and co before? It happened with the LA production of Sunset. It was all recast in readiness for the established LA company to move to Broadway, but the intention was for the LA production to continue to run. But then ALW changed his mind at literally the last minute about having Faye Dunaway replace Glenn Close and the entire thing shuttered and the new cast had the offers revoked. Some of the new cast, including Rex Smith as Joe Gillis, ended up doing the show in Toronto instead (and the Toronto production also bought the LA sets). That didn't stop Ms Dunaway, of course, from calling a press conference where she denounced ALW's actions as a "capricious act by a capricious man". And this was while the saga with LuPone (who also learnt about her firing second-hand through the press while she was in the dressing room of the Adelphi) was still fresh.
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Post by stagebyte on May 2, 2022 14:50:37 GMT
Number one most read story on the BBC News website. Call it Bad PR Cinderella... I've said this three times now, and I'm being as subtle as I can with my hints (which isn't very) but people are still saying they are planning to go in June. To avoid disappointment try and exchange these tickets for a much earlier dateShould we be reading anything into the fact the school of rock tour is coming to an end? 🤔
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Post by inthenose on May 2, 2022 14:51:47 GMT
Number one most read story on the BBC News website. Call it Bad PR Cinderella... I've said this three times now, and I'm being as subtle as I can with my hints (which isn't very) but people are still saying they are planning to go in June. To avoid disappointment try and exchange these tickets for a much earlier dateShould we be reading anything into the fact the school of rock tour is coming to an end? 🤔 Sorry, I don't know anyone working on that so don't know anything about it!
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 2, 2022 14:53:20 GMT
That would just be the cherry on the cake for ALW to announce this is closing in June , and then bring it forward by 2 weeks.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 2, 2022 15:04:05 GMT
There is no good way to announce a closure of a show.
I am generally a fan of Andrew Lloyd Webber's work, but didn't like Cinderella.
Andrew Lloyd Webber must've written the handbook on how NOT to produce a show, he is the world's worst producer. It is telling how is shows have faired after breaking away from Cameron Mackintosh after The Phantom of the Opera.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on May 2, 2022 15:29:45 GMT
Whilst I appreciate the hurt and pain caused, especially for those making their West End/professional debuts, I do hope that none of these come to regret comments/videos made in response to this because they've been caught up in the madness of it all. I'm just not sure that someone at the start of their career, with no "clout", shaming their former (potential-)employer looks good. Sure, be angry... but they also need to remember that people like Strallen and Fletcher can afford to be this public about their outrage. They'll likely pick up fans because of it, sure, but what about potential future employers? I’m coming at this from an industry pov, not a fan pov: no, I really don’t think this will potentially harm their careers or make potential employers wary. They have a ton of support within the industry (and ALW, despite his vast success, is very much not liked on a personal level) and most people in the industry - which includes potential employers - have a huge amount of sympathy for the mostly unknown actors who have been so negatively affected by this. As far as I’ve seen no one has done anything crazy, no one’s furiously ranting, or threatening to go and egg ALW’s house or anything. The actors are expressing their disappointment in mature but realistic ways. Obviously we can’t generalise but that isn’t likely to be something potential employers would consider a black mark, because the theatre industry has very different norms and standards from other industries. Sometimes reading this forum, I get the sense posters think the theatre industry should work exactly the same and according to the same norms and standards as their office or whatever, but theatre really is a world unto itself.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2022 16:03:54 GMT
This situ isn’t unique to theatre though. Companies of all types will take liberties if they can get away with it.. P&O Ferries for example - sacked their workforce by Zoom and hired cheap foreign Labour to replace them the following day. Terrible.
As for ranting or going crazy, Summer Strallen’s bf is ranting a fair bit in her live stream, using the F bomb and C bomb multiple times. Then he asks the viewers to let him know if they know who made the decision so that he can “make their life difficult for a while”. Back off Danny, you’re not doing anybody any favours behaving like that, least of all Summer.
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 2, 2022 18:24:24 GMT
This situ isn’t unique to theatre though. Companies of all types will take liberties if they can get away with it.. P&O Ferries for example - sacked their workforce by Zoom and hired cheap foreign Labour to replace them the following day. Terrible. As for ranting or going crazy, Summer Strallen’s bf is ranting a fair bit in her live stream, using the F bomb and C bomb multiple times. Then he asks the viewers to let him know if they know who made the decision so that he can “make their life difficult for a while”. Back off Danny, you’re not doing anybody any favours behaving like that, least of all Summer. I agree entirely. His participation felt really inadvisable. She was calm and collected and he was ranting and swearing. Never heard of him before and don’t care to again.
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