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Post by theatre241 on May 19, 2019 15:08:09 GMT
I totally agree with all of that and the workshop cast looked incredible !
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Post by indis on May 19, 2019 15:24:26 GMT
where is the link to the cast?
how do you know Carrie is Cinderella?
and why??? she is no Cinderella, sorry to sound shallow, but she in no way looks like a Cinderella
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Post by theatre241 on May 19, 2019 15:37:21 GMT
where is the link to the cast? how do you know Carrie is Cinderella? and why??? she is no Cinderella, sorry to sound shallow, but she in no way looks like a Cinderella First there is a cast list photo down the thread and whats to say that she doesn't look like Cinderella. Cinderella is a fictional character!!! Im not the biggest fan of Carrie but I think she's talented but i'm a big supporter of diverse casting! |
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Post by indis on May 19, 2019 16:01:52 GMT
i would cast her as one of the step sisters, she would be great in that role
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 17:12:43 GMT
What are people's expectations of Cinderella? Surely the only requirements are that she's female, reasonably attractive, and has weirdly non-standard feet.
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Post by indis on May 19, 2019 17:17:34 GMT
for me she has to be very attractive and blonde
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Post by jaqs on May 19, 2019 19:46:45 GMT
Isn't it time to go back to the original story (as Sondheim did) and have the sisters amputate parts of their feet. Maybe do a "Snow White" panto where the Queen dances to death in burning iron slippers... what I'm getting at is that Anglo / American society has been mutilating these mostly European folk tales for centuries. What does it matter if this is ALW's take on it? I saw a very bloody version at Battersea arts centre a few years ago. |
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Post by steve10086 on May 19, 2019 21:11:45 GMT
How so? Only School of Rock and Jesus Christ Superstar didn't open first in the West End. And most original ALW productions with a few exceptions (e.g. Stephen Ward) have been lavish. opened in Washington DC before the West End. |
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Post by andrew on May 19, 2019 22:51:13 GMT
for me she has to be very attractive and blonde So a role that once fitted what beauty standards used to be is not allowed to be reinterpreted now that things are -rightfully- changing? Wow, welcome to 2019. |
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Post by indis on May 20, 2019 4:57:52 GMT
for me she has to be very attractive and blonde So a role that once fitted what beauty standards used to be is not allowed to be reinterpreted now that things are -rightfully- changing? Wow, welcome to 2019. deeply sorry if i did not ask you what my personal opinion about Cinderellas look should be. Welcome to 2019 and free speech and opinions. It was asked how we think about her looks and thats my opinion. Like or not, i so don’t care 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by danb on May 20, 2019 5:03:52 GMT
It’s a fiction, make believe. She can look however the casting director chooses. As long as she can sing it and will put punters ass on velvet who cares? A downtrodden scullery maid is a lot more likely to look ‘normal’ than some willowy beauty who can just take her hair out of a scrunchy to all of a sudden become beautiful. But those who do the workshop don’t always make the cut anyway.
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Post by winonaforever on May 20, 2019 13:48:52 GMT
for me she has to be very attractive and blonde Actually I agree with you about Cinderella, but Carrie is (dark) blonde and I think she's very pretty! |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 20, 2019 14:35:24 GMT
Hair colour - easily changed by dye or wigs - that really isn't an issue.
I do think the Disney cartoons have given many people a very fixed idea as to what certain characters should look it
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Post by princeton on May 20, 2019 14:54:04 GMT
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Post by indis on May 20, 2019 15:39:55 GMT
for me she has to be very attractive and blonde Actually I agree with you about Cinderella, but Carrie is (dark) blonde and I think she's very pretty! she looks cute sometimes, but (for me - watch out: personal opinion) she is not that kind of pretty i would like to see , but if you think so i got nothing against it
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Post by indis on May 20, 2019 16:35:27 GMT
she will need that hug when the prince runs away with another man
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Post by distantcousin on May 20, 2019 17:01:20 GMT
My rule is that all the little girls in the audience want to give Cinderella a hug. Also, all the dads in the audience want to give Cinderella a hug - but not for the same reasons... Amy Lennox fitted that very well, once upon a time.
I read that as "Annie Lennox"...
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 20:25:59 GMT
How so? Only School of Rock and Jesus Christ Superstar didn't open first in the West End. And most original ALW productions with a few exceptions (e.g. Stephen Ward) have been lavish. opened in Washington DC before the West End. Ahhh yeah, course it did, I forgot that. Know very little re that production other than Hal Prince directed it and (unusually as ALW always raves about Hal) ALW wasn't remotely happy with it. Was darker apparently. One of those rare oddities that hardly anyone saw it seems, would love to know more about it. No idea if the plan had been to go straight to Broadway at the time or if was always planned pre West End. Assume the former but it wasn't to be. |
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Post by theatrelover123 on May 20, 2019 20:37:04 GMT
You ‘give up’? What on Earth do you ‘give up’ about? Turning a classic story into a gay romp? I’m gay and also over it! Well that’s a shame. I’m gay too and certainly not over it. At least it’s not another boring traditional version of it and I love the idea that young boys and girls will be seeing it and are presented with a different and more diverse take on the story, because they don’t get exposed to that many non-traditional versions of stage musicals suitable for youngsters. Nobody said anything about it being a ‘gay romp’ either, as far as I could see. |
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Post by chernjam on May 28, 2019 1:40:35 GMT
Whistle down the Wind opened in Washington DC before the West End. Ahhh yeah, course it did, I forgot that. Know very little re that production other than Hal Prince directed it and (unusually as ALW always raves about Hal) ALW wasn't remotely happy with it. Was darker apparently. One of those rare oddities that hardly anyone saw it seems, would love to know more about it. No idea if the plan had been to go straight to Broadway at the time or if was always planned pre West End. Assume the former but it wasn't to be. Not to misdirect the thread - but yes... the plan was for Washington DC to be a "Pre-Broadway Try out" - the Marquee was already up in NY (although I don't think the box office was open yet) They premiered the 7 minute "A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to waste" that ended up on one of the ALW anthology box sets on a NY radio station (which I remember sitting in my dorm room to record at the time - I think it was early 1996) They were really blind sided by the critics ravaging the production - and the rumor at the time was that Hal Prince wasn't as focused on it as they expected/hoped for. At one time I had a horrible audio boot leg of the production - that despite the awful quality of the recording I liked much better then the official London one that eventually opened. I do remember ALW saying in one interview that in hindsight perhaps he was too abrupt with abandoning Hal and going with the London version (he does contradict himself a lot though when he revisits these things... it's why I was really frustrated that "UnMasked ends where it does. I really want to read about everything from Aspects of Love up through Stephen Ward) Interestingly when Prince was interviewed at "the other palace" there was no mention of Whistle. Even more interesting that there's never been a full fledged revival or American production. I've always loved the score and felt that there was a lot to that story that could really be interesting |
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Post by musicalmarge on Jun 2, 2019 9:43:02 GMT
Ahhh yeah, course it did, I forgot that. Know very little re that production other than Hal Prince directed it and (unusually as ALW always raves about Hal) ALW wasn't remotely happy with it. Was darker apparently. One of those rare oddities that hardly anyone saw it seems, would love to know more about it. No idea if the plan had been to go straight to Broadway at the time or if was always planned pre West End. Assume the former but it wasn't to be. Not to misdirect the thread - but yes... the plan was for Washington DC to be a "Pre-Broadway Try out" - the Marquee was already up in NY (although I don't think the box office was open yet) They premiered the 7 minute "A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to waste" that ended up on one of the ALW anthology box sets on a NY radio station (which I remember sitting in my dorm room to record at the time - I think it was early 1996) They were really blind sided by the critics ravaging the production - and the rumor at the time was that Hal Prince wasn't as focused on it as they expected/hoped for. At one time I had a horrible audio boot leg of the production - that despite the awful quality of the recording I liked much better then the official London one that eventually opened. I do remember ALW saying in one interview that in hindsight perhaps he was too abrupt with abandoning Hal and going with the London version (he does contradict himself a lot though when he revisits these things... it's why I was really frustrated that "UnMasked ends where it does. I really want to read about everything from Aspects of Love up through Stephen Ward) Interestingly when Prince was interviewed at "the other palace" there was no mention of Whistle. Even more interesting that there's never been a full fledged revival or American production. I've always loved the score and felt that there was a lot to that story that could really be interesting Not true - there was an American tour of the rewritten kenwright version (that was surprisingly beautiful) when it was staged at The Palace Theatre in the West End again, virtually all of the national papers agreed that this version was an improvement on Gale Edwards's Aldwych production. A US tour began in Houston in September 2007, and ended in February 2008 in Norfolk, Virginia. The production was again directed and produced by Bill Kenwright, who had expressed his intention to take the show to Broadway. It starred Eric Kunze as The Man and Andrea Ross as Swallow. In each city, local children were added to the cast. Planned Los Angeles and San Francisco dates were cancelled. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 11:20:13 GMT
Ahhh yeah, course it did, I forgot that. Know very little re that production other than Hal Prince directed it and (unusually as ALW always raves about Hal) ALW wasn't remotely happy with it. Was darker apparently. One of those rare oddities that hardly anyone saw it seems, would love to know more about it. No idea if the plan had been to go straight to Broadway at the time or if was always planned pre West End. Assume the former but it wasn't to be. Not to misdirect the thread - but yes... the plan was for Washington DC to be a "Pre-Broadway Try out" - the Marquee was already up in NY (although I don't think the box office was open yet) They premiered the 7 minute "A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to waste" that ended up on one of the ALW anthology box sets on a NY radio station (which I remember sitting in my dorm room to record at the time - I think it was early 1996) They were really blind sided by the critics ravaging the production - and the rumor at the time was that Hal Prince wasn't as focused on it as they expected/hoped for. At one time I had a horrible audio boot leg of the production - that despite the awful quality of the recording I liked much better then the official London one that eventually opened. I do remember ALW saying in one interview that in hindsight perhaps he was too abrupt with abandoning Hal and going with the London version (he does contradict himself a lot though when he revisits these things... it's why I was really frustrated that "UnMasked ends where it does. I really want to read about everything from Aspects of Love up through Stephen Ward) Interestingly when Prince was interviewed at "the other palace" there was no mention of Whistle. Even more interesting that there's never been a full fledged revival or American production. I've always loved the score and felt that there was a lot to that story that could really be interesting Very interesting. Yes similarly I have never heard Hal mention Whistle. I wish I had seen this production - Whistle is one of ALW's most underrated scores IMO. Loved the original London (though really didn't like the Kenwright tour). No idea what possessed him to go to USA first - Phantom and Cats aside the critics had never been kind to him there. And at the time post Sunset he was still massive here. I agree - I REALLY hope he does follow up Unmasked with the next volume. SO much interesting stuff to say re Aspects, Sunset (inc Patti vs Glenn) and all the latter shows which did not catch on in the same way. Fingers crossed.... ANYWAY - I wonder who will be directing Cinderella. Probably Laurence Connor lol as he now directs everything. In a safe but slightly unremarkable way. Personally I'd like to see Trevor Nunn and ALW reunited. He's done all his best stuff IMO. |
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Post by chernjam on Jun 4, 2019 2:35:17 GMT
We agree so often Dom - it's sad to find a place where we part. I'm not interested in Trevor Nunn directing at all  Thought the fact that Sunset original Broadway Production changed so wildly from Norma to Norma (and the rest of the cast so often seemed to simply be standing around) showed how little direction he actually had over those proceedings. Under Lonnie Price, the whole show had a much different feel- felt I got to know the characters and care about them more. Think he'd be a disaster in that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 6:14:24 GMT
We agree so often Dom - it's sad to find a place where we part. I'm not interested in Trevor Nunn directing at all Thought the fact that Sunset original Broadway Production changed so wildly from Norma to Norma (and the rest of the cast so often seemed to simply be standing around) showed how little direction he actually had over those proceedings. Under Lonnie Price, the whole show had a much different feel- felt I got to know the characters and care about them more. Think he'd be a disaster in that. I do think you're right that he had less control over time, and certainly the era you talk of is when ALW had maximal interference and thought he was a director as well as composer (leading of course to the era where he last his way sadly, culminating in ALW wanting to direct Love Never Dies). I guess my fondness for him comes from his influence in Cats, Starlight, Les Mis and to an extent Aspects which are all top 10 for me! Glad we agree on most things though :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 16:20:45 GMT
From ALW's bio in the new Joseph programme:
"His latest musical, a very new take on Cinderella, is planned to preview on Broadway in 2020."
Seriously, surely it would fare better starting in London (plus I don't wish to have to fork out to cross the Atlantic to see it lol!)
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Thought the fact that Sunset original Broadway Production changed so wildly from Norma to Norma (and the rest of the cast so often seemed to simply be standing around) showed how little direction he actually had over those proceedings. Under Lonnie Price, the whole show had a much different feel- felt I got to know the characters and care about them more. Think he'd be a disaster in that.