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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 13:08:15 GMT
Resources weren’t so readily available in the days of Lionel, Michael and Angela Freely available to anyone who wants them these days. Every school however underprivileged has a computer at least. And most inner city schools in this country provide a programme of learning an instrument for free One such programme is run by ALW foundation
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 27, 2022 13:32:36 GMT
I wonder what happened when ALW met his “wonderful new girl” 🙄 for the first time for a sing a long at his piano and thrust the music for Bad Cinderella into her hand. Carrie goes 🤚🏻 in his face and says “actually no, I don’t do that, just hum me through it and I’ll pick it up from that” “I’ll play it to you on my wonderful grand piano girl, sit down and listen” “No, actually I can only do it if you hum it. That is how I work. It is my method” “We’ll arrange some music lessons for you! All of my wonderful new girls get them, it will do you a world of good” “Check your privilege. I didn’t need music lessons for Addams Family and I don’t need them for this. Now hum..I’m waiting”.
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Post by Peter on Apr 27, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
Didn't Mel Brooks 'compose' the entire score of The Producers by humming into a tape recorder? Worked for him and show, though I suspect credit was apportioned more by ego than merit (arguably the case with ALW and his orchestrators by the sounds of it!)
Personally, I don't see how the ability to read music (in some capacity) when working in any music-related discipline wouldn't be considered 'a good thing' generally, but it seems to touch a nerve - I'd best go and locate my privilege for a quick check-over...
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Post by Seriously on Apr 27, 2022 16:58:12 GMT
Alternatively...
"Knowing what the words are won't help you on day one of the rehearsal when you've just been handed the script for the very first time and you can't instantly say the words off the page. That's why every rehearsal process often starts with "rehearsals"!
Secondly, literally no one cares how you learn the script as long as you learn it. Ultimately, that script isn't going on stage with you on opening night.
Thirdly, a musical theatre performer's job is to sing and act. Not read scripts. Sure it might help some but everyone learns in different ways which is why, no, it's not part of the job and it's not required.
Finally, shaming people who could well end up being your peers for not having the same knowledge, education and training as you is going to disappoint your cast and creatives far more than your ability to read a script is going to impress them."
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 17:44:25 GMT
Alternatively... "Knowing what the words are won't help you on day one of the rehearsal when you've just been handed the script for the very first time and you can't instantly say the words off the page. That's why every rehearsal process often starts with "rehearsals"! Secondly, literally no one cares how you learn the script as long as you learn it. Ultimately, that script isn't going on stage with you on opening night. Thirdly, a musical theatre performer's job is to sing and act. Not read scripts. Sure it might help some but everyone learns in different ways which is why, no, it's not part of the job and it's not required. Finally, shaming people who could well end up being your peers for not having the same knowledge, education and training as you is going to disappoint your cast and creatives far more than your ability to read a script is going to impress them." How about just ignore what he says as the wild ramblings of a newly minted and enthusiastic graduate and move on Pretty sure she shamed him too by entering into a long thread and encouraging a pile on. He didn’t tag her in anything? She has form for this though replying to stuff not actually directed to or at her and then letting her fans do the rest. I feel this is a sore subject with her as she doesn’t read nor was trained. Shame she couldn’t have voiced her feelings in a #bekind way At one point she basically threatened that she wouldn’t sit next to him if they were ever in a show together. Not nice.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 27, 2022 17:59:52 GMT
Her later tweet in the thread. To paraphrase “Your future employers are watching your Twitter and you’re WRONG so shut up”. Needless to say he deleted his tweet. Wow.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 18:02:32 GMT
Her later tweet in the thread. To paraphrase “Your future employers are watching your Twitter and you’re WRONG so shut up”. Needless to say he deleted his tweet. Wow. With power comes responsibility. Shameful
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 18:03:22 GMT
Her later tweet in the thread. To paraphrase “Your future employers are watching your Twitter and you’re WRONG so shut up”. Needless to say he deleted his tweet. Wow. Pretty sure she should take her own advice on this one 🙄
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 27, 2022 18:20:49 GMT
I love how problematic CHF is. A life truly lived on social media and all the messiness that comes with that.
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Post by hannechalk on Apr 27, 2022 19:22:17 GMT
Just taking the conversation somewhere else for a hot minute - wasn't there talk of this going to Broadway, or off Broadway?
Because Christina Bennington (Heathers) announced on TikTok she has a green card now, and I added two and two, and I'm probably making five, but I found that interesting.
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Post by d'James on Apr 27, 2022 20:32:07 GMT
Just taking the conversation somewhere else for a hot minute - wasn't there talk of this going to Broadway, or off Broadway? Because Christina Bennington (Heathers) announced on TikTok she has a green card now, and I added two and two, and I'm probably making five, but I found that interesting. She has worked with the Lord before.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 27, 2022 20:32:58 GMT
She’d be great But I think Andrew Polec is there and not sure if they still date but maybe if they’re still together that’s why?
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Post by Jon on Apr 27, 2022 23:11:19 GMT
I love how problematic CHF is. A life truly lived on social media and all the messiness that comes with that. Compare it to her brother and sister in law and it's like night and day. I follow Tom on Instagram and honestly he's a great example of how to use social media well.
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Post by l0islane on Apr 27, 2022 23:38:08 GMT
She’d be great But I think Andrew Polec is there and not sure if they still date but maybe if they’re still together that’s why? Unless they are in a plural relationship they are no longer together as Andrew posted pictures of his new partner recently.
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Post by ladidah on Apr 28, 2022 8:07:57 GMT
I think if/when it goes to Broadway it will need to figure out the tone.
Is it a fun, racy musical or a family friendly one?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 17:56:45 GMT
I imagine Lionel Bart would have been shamed online for not being able to read or write music if he were still alive even though he had a huge hit in Oliver! as well as coming up with songs like Living Doll and From Russia with Love. How many of the top songwriters in recent memory can read music or write it I wonder? George Michael could play multi instruments but I never knew him to play them live in concerts? Lennon and McCartney could they read music? I assume Elton can but he might be in a minority. Songs were just written and compused possibly on a tape recorder and in which key but are probably transcribed to sheet music by somene else. Does even ALW sit there with a pad jotting down every note he plays when looking for a melody? Being a working musician in a theatre orchestra/band or a concert orchestra I agree you really need to be able to read music to be able to move from roles. I don't know how easy it is to play a piece as you read it - is it almost like narrating a book or more difficult . I'd go for the later myself.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 28, 2022 18:07:21 GMT
Experienced professional musicians can usually sight read a score to a high standard. Certainly a pianist who plays for auditions has seconds to look at a piece before accompanying someone trying out for a show. A pianist friend of mine dreads someone turning up with Sondheim as he is challenging to sight read.
Even so, knowing how to read a score helps you to learn at home and in the rehearsal room. It means everyone can work quickly and more efficiently.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 28, 2022 18:39:31 GMT
Everyone quoting these elderly or dead musicians and performers who couldn’t/can’t read music . We have the internet now where you can pretty much watch a YouTube video for how to strip down an entire car to how to read music No excuse in the modern day. The opportunity is there... If it is wanted /needed. But performers can’t say there is no access to it and for those who have learnt to ‘check their privilege’
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 28, 2022 18:41:02 GMT
Everyone quoting these ancient musicians and performers. We have the internet now where you can pretty much watch a YouTube video for how to strip down an entire car to how to read music No excuse in the modern day. The opportunity is there... If it is wanted /needed. But performers can’t say there is no access to it and for those who have learnt to ‘check their privilege’ I’m looking forward to this show being closed. Other shows are now circling the theatre so I image once CHF leaves, it’s days are severely numbered
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 28, 2022 19:11:48 GMT
You mean CHF is still generating sales off of her “name recognition”? Surely all of the “Hopefuls” have seen it by now.
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Post by cezbear on Apr 28, 2022 19:20:43 GMT
I think it's a shame to look forward to something being closed. Though I wonder where the negativity will funnel to next.
On the CHF name = sales front, I noticed they're emailing feedback surveys after performances now (I think that's new?). One of the questions is how you heard about the show, with CHF being an option. I'd love to know the results of that (though I'm sure I never will) but I imagine it'll be very interesting one way or another for the powers that be to see just how big a draw her name has or hasn't been in practice.
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Post by Jon on Apr 28, 2022 19:58:30 GMT
Everyone quoting these ancient musicians and performers. We have the internet now where you can pretty much watch a YouTube video for how to strip down an entire car to how to read music No excuse in the modern day. The opportunity is there... If it is wanted /needed. But performers can’t say there is no access to it and for those who have learnt to ‘check their privilege’ I’m looking forward to this show being closed. Other shows are now circling the theatre so I image once CHF leaves, it’s days are severely numbered I didn't realise that the Gillian Lynne was so sought after but I guess there's limited options for midsized theatres.
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Post by thesoberpanda on Apr 28, 2022 20:19:11 GMT
I watched this last night, when the initial pictures were released of the set, I thought it looked cheap. Watching it and the whole thing still looks cheap. The actors are perfectly fine but the problem lies in the book and the music for me. I didn't care for any of the characters and just had no investment in the whole thing. There was a couple of laughs but they were few and far between. It just doesn't know what it wants to be, it feels really dated not edgy and cool like I feel they were going for.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 28, 2022 20:27:31 GMT
I think it's a shame to look forward to something being closed. Though I wonder where the negativity will funnel to next. On the CHF name = sales front, I noticed they're emailing feedback surveys after performances now (I think that's new?). One of the questions is how you heard about the show, with CHF being an option. I'd love to know the results of that (though I'm sure I never will) but I imagine it'll be very interesting one way or another for the powers that be to see just how big a draw her name has or hasn't been in practice. That’s so interesting. As BB said surely all her fans have seen it by now? Her engagement on social media doesn’t suggest anyone other than die hard fans would go. I think basing casting decisions on social media following is a very dangerous route. Followers can be manipulated and bought. And after all the ‘you pay to see Cinderella you get Cinderella’ why are they even asking that question? Surely it shouldn’t matter if you heard about it from CHF or not the likelihood is based on current appearances you’ll get Georgina or Lauren
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Apr 28, 2022 20:51:47 GMT
I think it's a shame to look forward to something being closed. Though I wonder where the negativity will funnel to next. On the CHF name = sales front, I noticed they're emailing feedback surveys after performances now (I think that's new?). One of the questions is how you heard about the show, with CHF being an option. I'd love to know the results of that (though I'm sure I never will) but I imagine it'll be very interesting one way or another for the powers that be to see just how big a draw her name has or hasn't been in practice. That’s so interesting. As BB said surely all her fans have seen it by now? Her engagement on social media doesn’t suggest anyone other than die hard fans would go. I think basing casting decisions on social media following is a very dangerous route. Followers can be manipulated and bought. And after all the ‘you pay to see Cinderella you get Cinderella’ why are they even asking that question? Surely it shouldn’t matter if you heard about it from CHF or not the likelihood is based on current appearances you’ll get Georgina or Lauren In fairness, I think those are two independent issues: the question and the answer you give doesn't automatically follow on to the (ongoing!) discussion regarding booking for a performer. Just because someone heard about the show through CHF doesn't mean they necessarily booked it just to see her. it's just measuring the effectiveness of all their various means of publicity - the lead performer's social media being one. If they were asking ' Why did you book to see Cinderella?" with CHF being an option, that would be a very different beast.
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