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Post by amp09 on Apr 10, 2022 22:24:31 GMT
[br People don't like the show, it's doing poorly for a reason. A lot of people don't like CHF. Everyone is entitled to say their piece within the board rules, whether you or the "be kind" echo chamber of hypocrisy like it or not. If you have something interesting or salient to add, please jump in. I personally find nothing more boring than someone posting to say they're bored. Not exactly advancing the conversation, is it? The fact that its run has been extended until the new year means it's at least doing pretty well, not a hit show but quite successful. No it doesn’t - that’s only to generate interest and boost advance ticket sales. The fact LW Theatres are constantly sending out promotional cheap ticket emails (£15) and the comps continuously being handed out shows this is doing pretty badly. You only need to take a look at the seat plan for a few weeks ahead and you’ll see there is barely 10% of the theatre that’s been sold - and that’s with their latest ‘Spring Offer’. If they can’t flog £15 tickets to see ALW’s latest creation with CHF as the lead then it’s most definitely on borrowed time and likely ALW pumping money in to stay afloat. |
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 10, 2022 22:28:07 GMT
The fact that its run has been extended until the new year means it's at least doing pretty well, not a hit show but quite successful. No it doesn’t - that’s only to generate interest and boost advance ticket sales. The fact LW Theatres are constantly sending out promotional cheap ticket emails (£15) and the comps continuously being handed out shows this is doing pretty badly. You only need to take a look at the seat plan for a few weeks ahead and you’ll see there is barely 10% of the theatre that’s been sold - and that’s with their latest ‘Spring Offer’. If they can’t flog £15 tickets to see ALW’s latest creation with CHF as the lead then it’s most definitely on borrowed time and likely ALW pumping money in to stay afloat. What’s the difference between here and Broadway then? You hear of shows that have closed within a week due to poor sales? Who is it benefitting if ALW is pumping money in, no one wants to go and tickets are being flogged off for the price of a bargain bucket at KFC |
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Post by amp09 on Apr 10, 2022 22:41:06 GMT
No it doesn’t - that’s only to generate interest and boost advance ticket sales. The fact LW Theatres are constantly sending out promotional cheap ticket emails (£15) and the comps continuously being handed out shows this is doing pretty badly. You only need to take a look at the seat plan for a few weeks ahead and you’ll see there is barely 10% of the theatre that’s been sold - and that’s with their latest ‘Spring Offer’. If they can’t flog £15 tickets to see ALW’s latest creation with CHF as the lead then it’s most definitely on borrowed time and likely ALW pumping money in to stay afloat. What’s the difference between here and Broadway then? You hear of shows that have closed within a week due to poor sales? Who is it benefitting if ALW is pumping money in, no one wants to go and tickets are being flogged off for the price of a bargain bucket at KFC To save face to allow a Broadway run to go ahead. Keep it running until another show is ready to move in. I would assume at this point there’ll be closure discussions taking place and the next show is already being lined up unless a miracle happens. I’m sure someone on here will have some details.. I’m a mere punter with no insider scoop. |
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Post by inthenose on Apr 10, 2022 22:43:34 GMT
What’s the difference between here and Broadway then? You hear of shows that have closed within a week due to poor sales? Who is it benefitting if ALW is pumping money in, no one wants to go and tickets are being flogged off for the price of a bargain bucket at KFC To save face to allow a Broadway run to go ahead. Keep it running until another show is ready to move in. I would assume at this point there’ll be closure discussions taking place and the next show is already being lined up unless a miracle happens. I’m sure someone on here will have some details.. I’m a mere punter with no insider scoop. You may think that - you may very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment. |
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 10, 2022 22:48:39 GMT
To save face to allow a Broadway run to go ahead. Keep it running until another show is ready to move in. I would assume at this point there’ll be closure discussions taking place and the next show is already being lined up unless a miracle happens. I’m sure someone on here will have some details.. I’m a mere punter with no insider scoop. You may think that - you may very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment. Can you possibly say if it’s School of Rock going back in please? 😉 Absolutely no idea why they closed that one. It sold much much better than this |
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Post by chernjam on Apr 11, 2022 2:40:49 GMT
TBH - (at least in the West End) - it's hard to tell how well a show is doing, unless it's doing advances sales like Hamilton was pre-pandemic.
In NY I know Sunset Blvd revival often had a lot of tickets available up till an hour before curtain, but then when the weekly grosses came out, it was almost always in the "Millionaires" club. The days where tickets were sold way in advance here in NY (unless it was something like Hamilton) have been gone since 9/11. People aren't likely to make plans long in advance.
And looking at Cinderella's tickets for this coming week looks a lot better than I expected from people on this thread
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Post by danb on Apr 11, 2022 5:50:07 GMT
It is the school holidays so its bound to sell much better for the next few weeks.
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Post by Figaro on Apr 11, 2022 6:19:33 GMT
School of rock tour does finish in August…
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 7:25:02 GMT
It is the school holidays so its bound to sell much better for the next few weeks. Hasn't it been doing cheap deals recently though? So that might be why too. And cheap deals in peak school holiday season isn't a great sign for a supposedly family show |
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Post by cezbear on Apr 11, 2022 7:47:23 GMT
I don't know if these cheap deals really are... I looked for the £15 tickets and they only seemed to be for the very extreme side circle seats. Didn't look for very long though so maybe there's more on other dates, but I couldn't seem to find much.
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 11, 2022 12:24:46 GMT
To be fair there are no bad seats at the GL so if £15 tix are to be had I’m sure the families on a budget will grab them.
The Oliviers would’ve provided a boost to sales with the extracts from shows last night I bet Lloyd Webber is fuming Cinderella didn’t get the opportunity to perform. Disappointing for the cast too.
I did think though that in comparison to the high energy of Moulin Rouge, Anything Goes etc another round of CHF being dragged around the stage in Bad Cinderella wouldn’t really have made sense out of context. It’s a very odd song to showcase the musical.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 12:43:15 GMT
The offer also covers all seats in different price categories so its £15 through to £45 for top price.
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Post by l0islane on Apr 12, 2022 14:40:30 GMT
To be fair there are no bad seats at the GL so if £15 tix are to be had I’m sure the families on a budget will grab them. I really hope no one sits a child in the front row £15 seats as the stage is ludicrously high! I'm 5ft 3 and I struggled! (to be fair they do tell you this when booking though). |
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Post by FJ on Apr 20, 2022 10:23:24 GMT
I saw this again last night, and it seems like they've backtracked yet again, and changed the statue graffiti back to a more 'family friendly' look, but without the feather boa etc. that was done previously. I also think some of the jokes were a bit more PG than they were when I saw it last a couple of months ago. Not sure if they've tried to tone it down a bit for the school holidays, or if they're just never going to be happy with the changes they make and keep see-sawing between PG and lewd.
I was also wondering while watching it, similar to a Wicked 'No-fly' show, has anyone experience or heard of a 'non-spin' show happening? I imagine that mechanism must be pretty old now, so I wonder if they just do the ball scene from the regular set up if this fails or if it causes chaos.
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Post by ladidah on Apr 20, 2022 10:58:23 GMT
To be fair there are no bad seats at the GL so if £15 tix are to be had I’m sure the families on a budget will grab them. The Oliviers would’ve provided a boost to sales with the extracts from shows last night I bet Lloyd Webber is fuming Cinderella didn’t get the opportunity to perform. Disappointing for the cast too. I did think though that in comparison to the high energy of Moulin Rouge, Anything Goes etc another round of CHF being dragged around the stage in Bad Cinderella wouldn’t really have made sense out of context. It’s a very odd song to showcase the musical. That's a great point, it doesn't have a big, rousing number that people can recall and link to the show. |
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Post by Jon on Apr 20, 2022 16:21:14 GMT
Realistically they're not going to bring back School of Rock to the Gillian Lynne and IIRC sales had slowed so it made sense at the time for ALW to close it to make way for Cinderella.
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Post by Oliver on Apr 20, 2022 16:56:48 GMT
To be fair there are no bad seats at the GL so if £15 tix are to be had I’m sure the families on a budget will grab them. The Oliviers would’ve provided a boost to sales with the extracts from shows last night I bet Lloyd Webber is fuming Cinderella didn’t get the opportunity to perform. Disappointing for the cast too. I did think though that in comparison to the high energy of Moulin Rouge, Anything Goes etc another round of CHF being dragged around the stage in Bad Cinderella wouldn’t really have made sense out of context. It’s a very odd song to showcase the musical. That's a great point, it doesn't have a big, rousing number that people can recall and link to the show. I would argue that yes it does, 'Only You Lonely You' is a rousing number for example. A 'Memory' or 'Don't Cry for Me'? Nope. I would be curious, though, which rousing numbers from recent and original musicals are the ones people speak so highly of? |
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Post by musicbox on Apr 20, 2022 22:30:41 GMT
I saw this again last night, and it seems like they've backtracked yet again, and changed the statue graffiti back to a more 'family friendly' look, but without the feather boa etc. that was done previously. I also think some of the jokes were a bit more PG than they were when I saw it last a couple of months ago. Not sure if they've tried to tone it down a bit for the school holidays, or if they're just never going to be happy with the changes they make and keep see-sawing between PG and lewd. I was also wondering while watching it, similar to a Wicked 'No-fly' show, has anyone experience or heard of a 'non-spin' show happening? I imagine that mechanism must be pretty old now, so I wonder if they just do the ball scene from the regular set up if this fails or if it causes chaos. I also noticed the more PG changes when I seen the show two weeks before the school holidays, so I assume it's a general thing. As you said they've removed the...'drawing' from the statue and replaced it with a weird tape thing that doesn't really look like graffiti (I thought this made Cinderella holding a spray can when she appears slightly redundant). There were a few other changes, but the main one I noticed is that Adele no longer makes a suggestive hand gesture at her mouth when teasing Cinderella about being more than friends with Sebastian, and instead holds her arms as if she's simulating hugging. In terms of those saying the show doesn't really have a rousing number, I've personally always felt that 'Far Too Late' is by far the highlight of the show and it's always puzzled me why it's not utilised more in promo. Each time I've seen the show CHF has struggled with Bad Cinderella vocally, but she always nails Far Too Late and I just think it's a stunning song in general. |
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Post by FJ on Apr 21, 2022 10:13:36 GMT
I also noticed the more PG changes when I seen the show two weeks before the school holidays, so I assume it's a general thing. As you said they've removed the...'drawing' from the statue and replaced it with a weird tape thing that doesn't really look like graffiti (I thought this made Cinderella holding a spray can when she appears slightly redundant). There were a few other changes, but the main one I noticed is that Adele no longer makes a suggestive hand gesture at her mouth when teasing Cinderella about being more than friends with Sebastian, and instead holds her arms as if she's simulating hugging. In terms of those saying the show doesn't really have a rousing number, I've personally always felt that 'Far Too Late' is by far the highlight of the show and it's always puzzled me why it's not utilised more in promo. Each time I've seen the show CHF has struggled with Bad Cinderella vocally, but she always nails Far Too Late and I just think it's a stunning song in general. Yes! Exactly the same changes. It was 2 covers on for the step sisters on Tuesday so I was wondering whether that was just a decision of the Adele cover, so interesting to see that they've removed it completely. It's a shame because I think they've removed some of the few laughs in the show that don't come from VHB's Stepmother. It was also the first time I'd seen Lauren Byrne in the title role and have to say her 'I know I have a heart' was the best of the lot of them, in my opinion. Very strong. |
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Post by stagebyte on Apr 21, 2022 12:56:31 GMT
Caught 2nd cover Cinderella Georgia Tapp in this yesterday (CHF on scheduled holiday) and she was very strong. Lots of her friends & family in. I was in favour of the more PG changes I think, they know there are lots of kids coming (tons in yesterday) and some of it just felt unnecessary. The performance yesterday was very well sold, I know it's still Easter hols for some but I don't think CHF is necessary to fill seats (if she really does?). Cover stepsisters were very good. Be very interesting to see who replaces Carrie, assuming it carries on. You see this is why I struggle with this show. If they are taking out ‘unnecessary’ business in the show why bother with it at all? It wasn’t suggestive or funny enough for an adult audience or an adult panto standard in the first place so why bother at all? This show is trying so hard to be different while trying to conform at the same time it’s a mess and doesn’t know it’s audience. Nice songs. Only you lonely you is up there with ALW ballads. But the book 🤢 It needs trimming and a complete rewrite. |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Apr 22, 2022 11:53:09 GMT
I like Far Too Late and Only You, Lonely You.
I'd have said IKIHAH was the big rousing one though.
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 22, 2022 13:49:18 GMT
The lyrics are a mess but the tune for Bad Cinderella is REALLY catchy you’ve got to admit that. Almost my entire household of uni students has seen this show at one point or another and at least once daily someone just starts singing “CALL ME BAD CINDERELLLAAA…” It’s definitely an earworm.
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Post by Jon on Apr 22, 2022 14:12:11 GMT
I always think ALW is great at composing but he's not as good as picking lyricists. I wonder why he went for David Zippel rather than someone younger?
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Post by lolalou on Apr 22, 2022 14:19:14 GMT
Love his tunes. Definiite ear worms. However, the lyrics sound like they’ve been gleaned from Rhymezone and the book I’m afraid is puerile.
Is it still going to Broadway?
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Post by Oliver on Apr 22, 2022 20:16:36 GMT
I always think ALW is great at composing but he's not as good as picking lyricists. I wonder why he went for David Zippel rather than someone younger? I agree with this despite liking Zippel's lyrics to Cinderella. He's normally clueless when it comes to choosing lyricists. |
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