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Post by max on Nov 10, 2021 23:27:05 GMT
Do people really think this is Carrie throwing a strop and demanding more time off? She's told which shows she's doing and which she isn't, not the other way around. Clearly something is going on behind the scenes of this show and it looks like ALL the cast is being subject to some... interesting management. I wouldn't be surprised if barely anyone wants to renew their contract. No I don't think so. It reads like she's defending the Leave that she's had scheduled, and which has been published for a couple of months at least. It doesn't really matter if she used that leave to see her partner in his show, or to run the London Marathon for charity (both of which she did) or to sit at home watching Homes Under The Hammer. Leon Ferguson is justified in remembering how it was in his day, but rather rude to target that memory at a particular performer who is only receiving what is statutory in her day. |
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 10, 2021 23:39:24 GMT
I think one of the issues that probably doesn’t help is that we see EVERYTHING through social media.
Of course she entitled to leave and to spend it in whichever way she chooses (to watch Homes Under The Hammer bit more dubious 😂🤔) but I guess it sticks in the craw a little when fans see her doing stuff on ‘unscheduled’ days off as of late. Back in the day you could pull a sickie and go to Morocco for a week and as long as you stayed in the shade you’d be fine. Not anymore when everything is out there on sm There was an occasion recently where she was off ‘with a bug’ which meant she was missing the matinee but filmed herself running in the afternoon.
This would be career suicide in any other place of work if caught - but most people would not have filmed or posted this.
On other occasions she’s been replaced at short notice and then filmed other segments for Instagram
I guess this is what confounds people and then the moaning starts.
I’m not saying she owes us any explanation (and maybe can’t say anything about recent events) but from a PR and audience perspective it may have been wiser to stay off SM if sick but apparently well enough to run.
As my mum would’ve said back in the day
If you’re too ill to go to school you’re too ill to...(insert anything fun here)
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Post by southstreet on Nov 11, 2021 11:18:37 GMT
Whilst I agree to a certain extent, it really depends on what you're ill with. If you broke your leg or lost your voice, you could still go to school or I could still do my office job, neither of us could play the lead in a musical at that point though. So being well enough to run doesn't mean you're well enough to sing the show or sing the show twice in a day, so it's perfectly reasonable to take a matinee off in that case.
But also agree that it's stupid to then post it on social media, as it means people will judge even though what you're doing is perfectly fine.
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Post by theatremole on Nov 11, 2021 12:47:02 GMT
Performers are not robots. They're entitled to take time off, for whatever reason. You're also allowed to take mental health breaks.
Most shows only have one scheduled off day. It can be tiring to only have that one day. Feeling under the weather is a perfectly acceptable reason to be off, particularly now.
Performers giving their holiday dates in advance is a courtesy. Having an alternative should be more common regardless of how demanding fans perceive the role.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 11, 2021 15:03:40 GMT
Performers are not robots. They're entitled to take time off, for whatever reason. You're also allowed to take mental health breaks. Most shows only have one scheduled off day. It can be tiring to only have that one day. Feeling under the weather is a perfectly acceptable reason to be off, particularly now. Performers giving their holiday dates in advance is a courtesy. Having an alternative should be more common regardless of how demanding fans perceive the role. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting they are. Or that they don’t need time off or are entitled to it. I don’t think there’s usually so much furore over most shows. The fault here lies with the producers in some shows when pushing ‘names’ The public aren’t privy to the inner workings of the schedule or in show drama. They just want to see who they think they’ve paid to see? Ie the person they see on the Telly singing, in newspaper interviews, in social media publicity, at magic of the musicals etc etc being lauded by ALW |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 20:44:48 GMT
Performers are not robots. They're entitled to take time off, for whatever reason. You're also allowed to take mental health breaks. Most shows only have one scheduled off day. It can be tiring to only have that one day. Feeling under the weather is a perfectly acceptable reason to be off, particularly now. Performers giving their holiday dates in advance is a courtesy. Having an alternative should be more common regardless of how demanding fans perceive the role. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting they are. Or that they don’t need time off or are entitled to it. I don’t think there’s usually so much furore over most shows. The fault here lies with the producers in some shows when pushing ‘names’ The public aren’t privy to the inner workings of the schedule or in show drama. They just want to see who they think they’ve paid to see? Ie the person they see on the Telly singing, in newspaper interviews, in social media publicity, at magic of the musicals etc etc being lauded by ALW I'm not even sure the fault here is producers pushing "names". I suspect the people complaining on Twitter, and tagging her and the understudies etc, are Carrie's fans that she's brought with her. I once sat next to someone, when Carrie was in Les Mis, who burst into tears when they announced the Eponine understudy over the tannoy before the show. Cried her way through the whole Prologue. |
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Post by cezbear on Nov 11, 2021 20:51:33 GMT
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting they are. Or that they don’t need time off or are entitled to it. I don’t think there’s usually so much furore over most shows. The fault here lies with the producers in some shows when pushing ‘names’ The public aren’t privy to the inner workings of the schedule or in show drama. They just want to see who they think they’ve paid to see? Ie the person they see on the Telly singing, in newspaper interviews, in social media publicity, at magic of the musicals etc etc being lauded by ALW I'm not even sure the fault here is producers pushing "names". I suspect the people complaining on Twitter, and tagging her and the understudies etc, are Carrie's fans that she's brought with her. I once sat next to someone, when Carrie was in Les Mis, who burst into tears when they announced the Eponine understudy over the tannoy before the show. Cried her way through the whole Prologue. Indeed. And I'm really not convinced that the fans she's brought with her from social media make up a huge percentage of the audience anyway. From talking to people around me and eavesdropping on the audience I have yet to find anyone attending the show who actually knew who she was. That's a small sample size obviously, and clearly she has her fans. But I am certain it's looking like a bigger deal than it is because she blows it all up on social media when her fans tweet her having missed seeing her. I mean, she's not Beyonce. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 11, 2021 21:11:50 GMT
I'm not even sure the fault here is producers pushing "names". I suspect the people complaining on Twitter, and tagging her and the understudies etc, are Carrie's fans that she's brought with her. I once sat next to someone, when Carrie was in Les Mis, who burst into tears when they announced the Eponine understudy over the tannoy before the show. Cried her way through the whole Prologue.
I mean, she's not Beyonce. She’s not even Kelly Rowland tbh |
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 11, 2021 21:56:15 GMT
I mean, she's not Beyonce. She’s not even Kelly Rowland tbh Off on a tangent Imagine if you turned up to a Beyoncé concert and the curtain went up and Kelly Rowland was on instead... Would you get your money back? 🤔 In other news - another day, another drama - Twitter ranty thread 257 Theatre boarders above have nailed this. I’m beginning to think this is a Twitter problem. Do the vast majority even care who’s on when not dealing with household names? Alfie, Glenn etc Is this a west end Stan perpetuated issue? Are actors really getting this much hassle or is it just the odd few irritants upsetting them? Time away from Twitter may be needed to reset the perspective button |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 22:17:54 GMT
Are actors really getting this much hassle or is it just the odd few irritants upsetting them? Time away from Twitter may be needed to reset the perspective button I suspect she's seeing herself as an ambassador for the theatre community, after receiving a few messages of support. But yes, she needs to step back from Twitter now. She's said her piece. I wonder how much of the drama she's bringing backstage, which goes some way to explaining them cutting her shows, and ALW's "rant". |
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 11, 2021 22:25:37 GMT
She’s gone into a massive argument in another thread with a theatregoer with fellow Cinderella Lauren Byrne now wading in also calling them a brat!. A two handed take down...I wonder what the production company make of all of this or have they just given up?
I’m not sure Lauren is being entirely sincere when she says if she went to see Streisand and her understudy was on she’d think (paraphrasing) wow this understudy must be good to cover her but we move I guess...
Incredible the amount of discourse escalating. Whatever happened to ignore and they’ll go away?
Think there is something deeper at play here with the responses. I think ALW has them rrattled?
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 11, 2021 23:07:55 GMT
Carrie is far from the only musical theatre performer expressing this sentiment. Yet it's only her that people seem to pile on with their criticism when she does...
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 11, 2021 23:34:21 GMT
Carrie is far from the only musical theatre performer expressing this sentiment. Yet it's only her that people seem to pile on with their criticism when she does... I think it’s probably because whereas as others just pop on Twitter ‘say their piece’ and the ‘rant’ is over she tends to enter into lengthy discourse and engage in arguments with folk who will never see it her way or some posting just to provoke. A small criticism by one person is blown into a huge thing. If the comment was ignored the comment and ‘troll’ would disappear into the pits of obscurity. Making it personal prolongs the conversation and gives the poster the oxygen to continue. It’s not really that deep. That’s the difference and probably the reason she gets noticed more. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 11, 2021 23:37:01 GMT
Carrie is far from the only musical theatre performer expressing this sentiment. Yet it's only her that people seem to pile on with their criticism when she does... I think it’s probably because whereas as others just pop on Twitter ‘say their piece’ and the ‘rant’ is over she tends to enter into lengthy discourse and engage in arguments with folk who will never see it her way or some posting just to provoke. A small criticism by one person is blown into a huge thing. If the comment was ignored the comment and ‘troll’ would disappear into the pits of obscurity. Making it personal prolongs the conversation and gives the poster the oxygen to continue. It’s not really that deep. That’s the difference and probably the reason she gets noticed more. There's really no difference between what Carrie tweets and what some other performers tweet. People just seem pre-disposed to hate her. Makes you wonder why, if they dislike her so much, they even read her tweets at all. Unfollowing is free. |
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 11, 2021 23:41:12 GMT
I think it’s probably because whereas as others just pop on Twitter ‘say their piece’ and the ‘rant’ is over she tends to enter into lengthy discourse and engage in arguments with folk who will never see it her way or some posting just to provoke. A small criticism by one person is blown into a huge thing. If the comment was ignored the comment and ‘troll’ would disappear into the pits of obscurity. Making it personal prolongs the conversation and gives the poster the oxygen to continue. It’s not really that deep. That’s the difference and probably the reason she gets noticed more. There's really no difference between what Carrie tweets and what some other performers tweet. People just seem pre-disposed to hate her. Makes you wonder why, if they dislike her so much, they even read her tweets at all. Unfollowing is free. Yup. Twitter is a strange, strange place. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 11, 2021 23:48:11 GMT
It seems very unfair for people to tweet the actors berating them for missing a show.
Tracie Bennet posted a very poignant response when she said she received lots of complaints when she was off…. burying a friend.
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Post by matilda1 on Nov 11, 2021 23:54:14 GMT
Is it me or does Killian Donnelly have a very smug side? He retweeted C earlier. He also seems entitled whilst at the same time playing the humble card?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 12, 2021 0:10:42 GMT
Given CHF has made use of social media to boost her profile and her career, she should know better than most how to avoid getting involved with online spats. Buyt it would appear that she relishes clapping back more often than she perhaps ought.
That is probably why people notice what she does online and why she attracts the criticism she does.
She built her profile by seeking attention online. She can hardly be surprised when people notice her.
Does she deserve online hate? Of course not. But could she be more restrained in her responses at times? Very probably.
Learning when to walk away is an important lesson.
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Post by inthenose on Nov 12, 2021 5:27:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 6:50:59 GMT
I think it’s probably because whereas as others just pop on Twitter ‘say their piece’ and the ‘rant’ is over she tends to enter into lengthy discourse and engage in arguments with folk who will never see it her way or some posting just to provoke. A small criticism by one person is blown into a huge thing. If the comment was ignored the comment and ‘troll’ would disappear into the pits of obscurity. Making it personal prolongs the conversation and gives the poster the oxygen to continue. It’s not really that deep. That’s the difference and probably the reason she gets noticed more. There's really no difference between what Carrie tweets and what some other performers tweet. People just seem pre-disposed to hate her. Makes you wonder why, if they dislike her so much, they even read her tweets at all. Unfollowing is free. I don't dislike Carrie, so my comments have nothing to do with a predisposition to hating her. I've enjoyed her performances any time I've seen her live, and that's it. So no, I don't follow her on social media, and that's my point: for someone who doesn't follow her, I've seen an awful lot of her tweets on the matter. She knows how to use social media to boost her profile - she gained her following from YouTube videos, from what I understand - so it gets to the point where you have to be a bit sceptical of her motives. I agree with what she's saying - and have seen the genuine tweets from Tracie Bennett and many others on the matter - but Carrie's made that point now and doesn't seem to want to let it go, retweeting and getting into arguments with fans. |
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Post by properjob on Nov 12, 2021 7:23:03 GMT
I really don't get your point. Seems to be an actress describing how she has a side hussle that came in particularly useful during the pandemic. All actors do or they would starve! She says how it grew out of a hobby which again is not unusual. There are plenty of actors out there selling crafts be it cake baking or painting that I'm sure started as hobbies then they realised they could make money from it. Also professional actors that I know say you have to generate your own work rather than just waiting for your agent which means contacting directors etc who you want to work with and trying to persuade them they should see you for parts. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 12, 2021 7:29:47 GMT
I dont appreciate this insistence by her, her acting chums and their fans that wishing to see a particular performer somehow makes you a theatre muggle who doesn’t understand how theatre, understudies, swings etc work. All these people on her Twitter wagging fingers and berating us about how me must appreciate the understudies and swings because they’re brilliant. Wind your necks in. Yes, they can be. I get it and I totally agree that tagging performers in posts chiding them for being off sick or on holiday is unacceptable.
BUT if I’ve booked to see a favourite performer on a scheduled performance and they don’t turn up for whatever reason I’m allowed to be disappointed and I’m allowed to express that disappointment without said performer and their obsessed fan club coming for me. And let’s not forget, you don’t necessarily have to tag CHF, she’s known for searching names or hashtags and inserting her opinions into the discourse. She likes having the whole of the internet available for her to express her opinion but seems to want to shut down others doing exactly the same if they happen not to agree with her.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 12, 2021 7:35:27 GMT
I did laugh at her statement that all understudies and covers should be given the same exposure as the leads. Sure, would love to see how she reacts if her understudy started getting more attention.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 12, 2021 8:39:25 GMT
I dont appreciate this insistence by her, her acting chums and their fans that wishing to see a particular performer somehow makes you a theatre muggle who doesn’t understand how theatre, understudies, swings etc work. All these people on her Twitter wagging fingers and berating us about how me must appreciate the understudies and swings because they’re brilliant. Wind your necks in. Yes, they can be. I get it and I totally agree that tagging performers in posts chiding them for being off sick or on holiday is unacceptable. BUT if I’ve booked to see a favourite performer on a scheduled performance and they don’t turn up for whatever reason I’m allowed to be disappointed and I’m allowed to express that disappointment without said performer and their obsessed fan club coming for me. And let’s not forget, you don’t necessarily have to tag CHF, she’s known for searching names or hashtags and inserting her opinions into the discourse. She likes having the whole of the internet available for her to express her opinion but seems to want to shut down others doing exactly the same if they happen not to agree with her. Think you’ve hit this on the end BB - it’s the constant preaching that we are bloody lucky to see these understudy/cover/swing talents and they’re ‘just as good, if not better. And like others on this thread have said, you don’t have to follow her to see her tweets - she self inserts into everyone else’s and it suddenly she’s all over your timeline. Their struggle becomes her struggle - the recent drama with an ‘obsessed’ fan knocking on Layton Williams door an example. She’s the Elton John of the theatre world. Only instead of supporting addictions she’s obsessed with others hurt feelings and ‘etiquette’. While other actors make a point and move on, she seems on a permanent mission to ‘educate’ us on the proper way to behave/think. And now BB has mentioned it if it’s at all possible could I beg actors to please stop referring to non thesps as ‘muggles’ I get second hand embarrassment whenever I see it. It’s right up there with #actorslife |
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Post by h86 on Nov 12, 2021 8:54:21 GMT
I enjoy Carrie as a performer but I hate how she feels she has to respond to so much on social media. The best way to handle a lot of this is to just ignore it but she doesn’t and it all gets blown up.
By way of reference Courtney Stapleton, currently Belle in the beauty tour, was tagged in a Twitter post last week, asking her what time she would arrive at the theatre as the tweeter’s daughter wanted to see her! So cheeky right?! Well no response from Courtney, she complete ignored it as is her right. She doesn’t have to answer to them. I can’t help but think if that was Carrie there would be a long Twitter exchange and it would all just get blown up!
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