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Post by anthony on Nov 7, 2021 10:45:16 GMT
Something about this whole thing just doesn't ring wholly true about this whole scenario.
I do wonder how many of these comments from ALW were aimed at Fletcher. I mean, we all know she isn't the best actress and regularly berates members of the public who comment on this with "BUT I AIN'T EVEN PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED XOXO". From the pettiness of her comments on social media, I'm assuming quite a lot?
I also really don't like this trend among "fan girl favourites" of shaming people who are upset their favourite actor/actress is on holiday (whilst also tweeting "omg, you NEED to see this person in this role!!!"). Fletcher seems to be the head "fan girl favourite" with others, such as Jordan Luke Gage, joining in with the arsey comments. You can't use your internet fame as an alternate way into the industry and then complain when people have paid £100+ for a ticket to see the stunt in action. They all come across as deeply unpleasant people.
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Post by lolalou on Nov 7, 2021 11:08:30 GMT
Can't see it sadly as I don't belong to that facebook group 🙁 You’re welcome 😉 *not my work copied from Facebook which copied from Discord. BAD LORD LLOYD WEBBER Bad Lord Lloyd Webber Lord Lloyd Webber With his phone attached to the tannoy He’s mad Lord Lloyd Webber Screaming insults to a cast stuck in his employ “Unpleasant costumes” “Lacklustre staging” “Too many plot holes” “Nothing is working” “I’ll make adjustments” but we all know where it’s actually gone wrong : It’s the songs Lord Lloyd Webber And the plot you should change And the script you can’t ignore it. Get a band Lord Lloyd Webber It sounds naff all on click And this track please don’t Reprise it. We’ve just heard it. |
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Post by Oliver on Nov 7, 2021 12:00:12 GMT
Can't see it sadly as I don't belong to that facebook group 🙁 You’re welcome 😉 *not my work copied from Facebook which copied from Discord. BAD LORD LLOYD WEBBER Bad Lord Lloyd Webber Lord Lloyd Webber With his phone attached to the tannoy He’s mad Lord Lloyd Webber Screaming insults to a cast stuck in his employ “Unpleasant costumes” “Lacklustre staging” “Too many plot holes” “Nothing is working” “I’ll make adjustments” but we all know where it’s actually gone wrong : It’s the songs Lord Lloyd Webber And the plot you should change And the script you can’t ignore it. Get a band Lord Lloyd Webber It sounds naff all on click And this track please don’t Reprise it. We’ve just heard it. Even if I agreed with every word of it I wouldn't be impressed by that at all. Anyone can write something like that. |
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 7, 2021 12:19:05 GMT
You’re welcome 😉 *not my work copied from Facebook which copied from Discord. BAD LORD LLOYD WEBBER Bad Lord Lloyd Webber Lord Lloyd Webber With his phone attached to the tannoy He’s mad Lord Lloyd Webber Screaming insults to a cast stuck in his employ “Unpleasant costumes” “Lacklustre staging” “Too many plot holes” “Nothing is working” “I’ll make adjustments” but we all know where it’s actually gone wrong : It’s the songs Lord Lloyd Webber And the plot you should change And the script you can’t ignore it. Get a band Lord Lloyd Webber It sounds naff all on click And this track please don’t Reprise it. We’ve just heard it. Even if I agreed with every word of it I wouldn't be impressed by that at all. Anyone can write something like that. I bet David Zippel couldn’t 🤣 |
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Post by sophie92 on Nov 7, 2021 12:27:02 GMT
Is the ballgown meant to look intentionally horrible because it’s meant to highlight how wrong ‘bad Cinderella’ is meant to feel while wearing it? Because my goodness, it doesn’t look good on any of the lovely ladies who play Cinderella. It is so unflattering and the horrible blonde wig doesn’t help. The three women who have played her are so stunning but the look just doesn’t work for any of them. I thought that. Under the lights everything looked grey (including the makeup) and washed out and Cinderella looked very square and frumpy. Remember trying on meringue wedding dresses back in the day with a similar bodice and skirt like that. It takes a certain shape (not mine!) to pull it off. The wedding planners essentially say unless you’re willowy and tall with a small bust don’t touch them. Edit: cute pic of Lauren though - the dress suits her but it’s still a very strange colour and the wig? Between that and the black matted grunge hat that poor Cinders is saddled with...I think I’d pop and have a look at some online offerings http://instagr.am/p/CV8oZetIFfW The dress looked lovely on Lauren, but combined with the wig it does wash her (and Carrie) out under the stage lights. |
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Post by lolalou on Nov 7, 2021 12:42:09 GMT
Even if I agreed with every word of it I wouldn't be impressed by that at all. Anyone can write something like that. I bet David Zippel couldn’t 🤣 So I did. Inspired by the first half rewrite of Bad Cinderella (can’t find a name to credit) and comments taken from this board...Armed with Zippel’s rhyming dictionary and 15 minutes to spare I wrote the second half (available for future collabs Andy) Don’t point your finger Don’t you judge them when you live in billionaire houses You’re wrong and you’re foolish With your ‘pep talk’ and your interchangeable cast lists. The ‘staff’ have no bearing ’The show needs repairing’ Don’t be concerned with what *they’re* impairing Modern and current It’s the opposite of everything you are You are you Lord Lloyd Webber With a show all your own And the cast can’t change it for you ’It needs jokes’ Lord Lloyd Webber ’It needs cuts’, ‘it’s overblown’ If you think we won't ignore you We’ll ‘LuPone’ you. The book is ‘pantoesque’ ‘a mess’ well choose one. ’Marketing so weird’, ‘ball’ dress just lose one Sorry, hard to hear? Sorry you’re aflame ’Knob jokes are so lame!’ Call him bad Lord Lloyd Webber Genius. Long career. Really loved the one with Eva. Iron fist Lord Lloyd Webber His casts live with no fear Until they fall out of his favour Yes he’s bad Lord Lloyd Webber He will not say goodbye ‘He needs different collaborators’ Yes he’s bad Lord Lloyd Webber, ‘Bring back Rice and Don Black’ And a rewind to the previews And a re-do! |
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 7, 2021 12:48:05 GMT
“interchangeable cast lists” 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Seriously on Nov 7, 2021 13:48:40 GMT
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Post by sophie92 on Nov 7, 2021 14:33:25 GMT
Lauren is on again today, along with Michael Hamway as Sebastian and Michelle Bishop as The Stepmother (her first official alternate show). I would’ve like to be there today to see this cast, as well as seeing Lauren’s debut yesterday!
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Post by shady23 on Nov 7, 2021 17:01:06 GMT
Could it not just be that when we get into the festive period the schedule goes a bit mad in shows anyway with extra matinées being added here there and everywhere so who is doing what show may not have been decided yet?
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 7, 2021 20:51:25 GMT
Michelle Bishop as The Stepmother (her first official alternate show). I noticed this on West End Covers' Instagram. I understood from previous comments on this thread that the stepmother is a relatively small role. In fact I seem to remember some suggestions that the role could be improved by being somewhat expanded. So why does the role require an alternate? |
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Post by shady23 on Nov 7, 2021 20:53:39 GMT
Victoria tweeted something the other day that it was always in her contract not to do the Sunday show. I assume she has school age children and she would like to spend some time with them during the week.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 7, 2021 20:57:35 GMT
Victoria tweeted something the other day that it was always in her contract not to do the Sunday show. I assume she has school age children and she would like to spend some time with them during the week. Ah, right. I thought it didn't make sense for it to be due to vocal demands as is usual with alternates. |
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Post by Being Alive on Nov 7, 2021 21:20:33 GMT
Doesn't make sense for anyone in this show to need an alternate due to vocal demands
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Post by ABr on Nov 8, 2021 10:05:41 GMT
Victoria tweeted something the other day that it was always in her contract not to do the Sunday show. I assume she has school age children and she would like to spend some time with them during the week. Yeah I'm sure she's has younger children, as if I remember correctly she had babe in arms when she started rehearsals for Murder Ballad, which was back in 2016. |
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Post by singingbird on Nov 8, 2021 12:34:50 GMT
Just been catching up on the last few days of this thread. Wow! There's more drama here than in the whole of Cinderella.
A couple of thoughts. Someone (not sure who) made an interesting point about public workshops and the way ALW was raving about them when he was writing School of Rock. If he had done this with Cinderella he might have fixed some of the story and structure issues earlier. Anyone know why he didn't? I thought he'd bought The Other Palace partly as a London venue that would allow him to work like this. He said so at the time but all Cinderella got was one showcase to an invited audience which was no different to the old style Sydmonton Festival things he has always done. By the way, does anyone know if he still does his festival?
My other thought is re collaborators. I agree he doesn't always choose wisely and I know that the way he and TR wrote together as equals is long gone, but I think it is too simplistic to blame the collaborators, or his choice of them. The Woman in White had Trevor Nunn back as director and the hugely respected Sonia Friedman as producer. Stephen Ward had a great director and his collaborators from Sunset Boulevard. Did any of this help? Musicals are, simply, hard to get right and if the basic concept doesn't quite hold together then the best creative team in the world won't help. The trouble is, it's often impossible to know this when starting out on making a show. The best way to find out is out of town tryouts, a real preview period where you are actually still working on the show or, if neither of those is viable now in the age of social media, School of Rock style public workshops. ALW already learnt that lesson once. Such a shame he forgot it so soon.
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Post by max on Nov 8, 2021 13:12:12 GMT
Just been catching up on the last few days of this thread. Wow! There's more drama here than in the whole of Cinderella. A couple of thoughts. Someone (not sure who) made an interesting point about public workshops and the way ALW was raving about them when he was writing School of Rock. If he had done this with Cinderella he might have fixed some of the story and structure issues earlier. Anyone know why he didn't? I thought he'd bought The Other Palace partly as a London venue that would allow him to work like this. He said so at the time but all Cinderella got was one showcase to an invited audience which was no different to the old style Sydmonton Festival things he has always done. By the way, does anyone know if he still does his festival? My other thought is re collaborators. I agree he doesn't always choose wisely and I know that the way he and TR wrote together as equals is long gone, but I think it is too simplistic to blame the collaborators, or his choice of them. The Woman in White had Trevor Nunn back as director and the hugely respected Sonia Friedman as producer. Stephen Ward had a great director and his collaborators from Sunset Boulevard. Did any of this help? Musicals are, simply, hard to get right and if the basic concept doesn't quite hold together then the best creative team in the world won't help. The trouble is, it's often impossible to know this when starting out on making a show. The best way to find out is out of town tryouts, a real preview period where you are actually still working on the show or, if neither of those is viable now in the age of social media, School of Rock style public workshops. ALW already learnt that lesson once. Such a shame he forgot it so soon. I think 'School Of Rock' was the perfect model, because with ALW's fame, and a lot of people who'd want to see him fail, there will never be an 'out of town' version - town will turn up to watch and judge. Plus he said himself, the reason for using The Gramercy for SOR tryout in New York was to dispense with all the automation that fixes you to story/structure choices you've made (or costs time and money to re-programme). At the Gramercy they used social media to let people know 'we're showing tonight' or 'no show, we're doing a private day'. The Other Palace could have been used the same way. He should be annoyed with himself for not learning the lesson he'd taught himself - though Covid would have made it impossible unless delaying it years. Worth remembering how we all felt about the future, before the vaccines - a sense of 'maybe this is IT!' and find a way to carry on with life being like that. Agree on collaborators, and as I mentioned upthread, even the best - Hal Prince - had it as his first thought* to cut the most political bit of 'Evita', which ended up being the signature moment of the staging style he eventually adopted ('Dangerous Jade/Peron's Latest Flame). *on hearing the 1976 album ahead of release. |
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Post by marob on Nov 8, 2021 14:12:25 GMT
From one of the captions on Carrie Hope Fletcher’s Instagram:
“IN OTHER NEWS… BACK INTO CINDERELLA REHEARSALS!”
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Post by anthem on Nov 8, 2021 14:16:21 GMT
It's all a bit bizarre isn't it? Why weren't these issues remedied before the show opened to much fanfare?
What can possibly be wrong now that wasn't obvious up to now?
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Post by max on Nov 8, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
Not learning from good practice on School Of Rock; but also Coronavirus massively restricting movement of people across cities let alone across workshop spaces and rehearsal rooms.
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Post by Oliver on Nov 8, 2021 17:43:56 GMT
And this is all happening because of one review in the New York Post? That critic must feel like he's some sort of god
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Post by inthenose on Nov 8, 2021 17:59:28 GMT
I don't follow your meaning, Oliver. Are you saying it didn't happen still?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 8, 2021 19:17:54 GMT
I don't follow your meaning, Oliver. Are you saying it didn't happen still? I think it’s a very reasonable question to ask why one review has caused so much apparent disruption. |
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Post by inthenose on Nov 8, 2021 21:36:53 GMT
I don't follow your meaning, Oliver. Are you saying it didn't happen still? I think it’s a very reasonable question to ask why one review has caused so much apparent disruption. Absolutely, I actually wondered what the post meant. If he felt that ALW overreacted to the review, or maybe the incident never occured at all, or perhaps these changes were planned all along - or maybe whether changes are even taking place at all. |
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Post by Oliver on Nov 9, 2021 0:00:13 GMT
I think it’s a very reasonable question to ask why one review has caused so much apparent disruption. Absolutely, I actually wondered what the post meant. If he felt that ALW overreacted to the review, or maybe the incident never occured at all, or perhaps these changes were planned all along - or maybe whether changes are even taking place at all. If you mean the incident with ALW shouting at the cast, I am prepared to believe this happened as you mentioned earlier that you know a cast member who relayed the experience to you. I would be interested to know the details of this incident, though, and whether this has been reported accurately by the media (I believe there is only one news report in The Daily Mail?) My guess is the incident was likely exaggerated and blown out of proportion. I'm sceptical it was really about the review, he would have just been using that as a convenient way to vent his frustrations generally. Calling in from overseas to address the cast in that way seems a bit desperate to me. It suggests a depressive episode in which alcohol was involved (which wouldn't excuse it of course). It probably had nothing to do with them at all, maybe the absences got to him a bit though. What I meant in my recent post was just that it must feel incredible to write a review which has such an impact that the show closes and the cast and creative team work on making changes in accordance with your personal preferences. |
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