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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 20, 2020 16:45:13 GMT
Madge has probably toured more in the last 20 years than she did in her peak years. Film work and having her children probably stopped her touring as much as she might have done in the 1990's. Having checked back on her tour info, nearly every show she has played as a major artist she has sold out so is still a huge live draw despite playing a fair number of concerts in more recent years. These shows are clearly something she wanted to do. I think she needs to get this tour finished and get her injury sorted and then she can consider when and if she wants to play live in the future again. Madonna doesn't need to tour and if she couldn't give the sort of show she wants to then she probably wouldn't. But she must also know that at 61 she cannot do the sort of shows she was doing 20 let alone well over 30 years ago as regards all the more faster dance routines or certainly do them less. She can concentrate on her vocals more, still have the great visuals and have dancers working abound her but not do so much dancing herself or just spread the shows out more. If she needs 2 days off after a show then do that. She started touring more because there is no money in selling/making music anymore and she was offered a massive Live Nation contract after she left Warners. From Hard Candy onwards her album sales have been pretty low. Rebel Heart sold just over a million world wide and Madame X will do nowhere near that. Compare that to the 25 million True Blue sold and it's no mystery why she tours more. Digital single sales taking over pretty much destroyed the charting history of most 'heritage' acts, as there were no longer multiple formats for their fans to buy to help 'tip' the charts in their favour. It has hit Kylie and others the same and she too was very smart to become a touring artist over a musical artist pretty early on, because she only sells albums in like 3 markets, but can sell out concerts anywhere. They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 8:38:12 GMT
Madge has probably toured more in the last 20 years than she did in her peak years. Film work and having her children probably stopped her touring as much as she might have done in the 1990's. Having checked back on her tour info, nearly every show she has played as a major artist she has sold out so is still a huge live draw despite playing a fair number of concerts in more recent years. These shows are clearly something she wanted to do. I think she needs to get this tour finished and get her injury sorted and then she can consider when and if she wants to play live in the future again. Madonna doesn't need to tour and if she couldn't give the sort of show she wants to then she probably wouldn't. But she must also know that at 61 she cannot do the sort of shows she was doing 20 let alone well over 30 years ago as regards all the more faster dance routines or certainly do them less. She can concentrate on her vocals more, still have the great visuals and have dancers working abound her but not do so much dancing herself or just spread the shows out more. If she needs 2 days off after a show then do that. She started touring more because there is no money in selling/making music anymore and she was offered a massive Live Nation contract after she left Warners. From Hard Candy onwards her album sales have been pretty low. Rebel Heart sold just over a million world wide and Madame X will do nowhere near that. Compare that to the 25 million True Blue sold and it's no mystery why she tours more. Digital single sales taking over pretty much destroyed the charting history of most 'heritage' acts, as there were no longer multiple formats for their fans to buy to help 'tip' the charts in their favour. It has hit Kylie and others the same and she too was very smart to become a touring artist over a musical artist pretty early on, because she only sells albums in like 3 markets, but can sell out concerts anywhere. They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Actually Warner offered her more money than Live Nation, but she had a broken relationship with them by the time her contract was coming to an end: she wanted to release Impressive Instant as a single and Warner refused, saying they would release Amazing instead. Madonna then refused to record a video for Amazing, so Warner said they’d use footage from Drowned World Tour - so Madonna cut the song from the tour. They told her they were releasing GHV2 and she didn’t want to - so she refused to record any new songs, a photo shoot or promotion. Then after she finished her Re-invention Tour they came to her and demanded an album when she didn’t want to do one (which then became Confessions on a Dance Floor). So when she started contract negotiations after Confessions Tour, she was well and truly over Warner’s interference. Sadly she was better under them because they made sure she release an album ever 3 years. But prior to leaving them she had worked with Live Nation on 3 tours (over 5 years) and based on industry changes, that was where the money was - last millennia you toured to sell your album, this millennia you release an album to promote your tour... and Madge is responsible for the touring industry charging high prices - everyone saw her double her prices in 2004 and thought they could get away with it too. That said, Madge was holding on well in the download era - iTunes is the reason why Hung Up and 4 Minutes went top ten in the US (as she was still banned from radio back then... now she’s just too old). But yes, when she left Warner her new label refused to put out physical releases and the Madonna collector market was huge - Warner would always release 2 CDs and either a 12” or a picture disc (and her vinyl sales were very healthy prior to the resurgence of vinyl in recent years). Her new label did however mess up her lead single releases which didn’t help her charts - Give Me All Your Luvin’ was gifted when you pre-ordered MDNA and the charts company refused to count them as sales (it changed its mind and altered the chart rules to allow it a few months later), and Living For Love was only added to streaming services/iTunes the same day as the Brit awards - giving her only 3 days of sales before the song entered the charts. Then with Medellin she didn’t stand a chance in a streaming world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 11:23:38 GMT
Great points by Kevin and Intoanewlife above - most of the biggest grossing tours are by "heritage" acts with a few newer top acts in the list. Plus artists such as Madonna as they get older then their record sales tend to drop. Older people don't tend to stream so much music either although Madonna's vast back catalogue has probably racked up a lot of combined streams as people dip in and out of her music.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 21, 2020 14:09:34 GMT
They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Even young artists are inflating their album sales figures via tour ticket sales - thing like the 'verified fan' schemes that give you pre-sale tickets by buying albums, etc. There are die-hard fans buying multiple copies of albums (plus streaming the music for hours on end) to make sure they get all the tickets they want.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 21, 2020 19:45:35 GMT
They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Even young artists are inflating their album sales figures via tour ticket sales - thing like the 'verified fan' schemes that give you pre-sale tickets by buying albums, etc. There are die-hard fans buying multiple copies of albums (plus streaming the music for hours on end) to make sure they get all the tickets they want. That has all been stopped now, the chart laws have changed earlier this year.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 21, 2020 19:52:53 GMT
She started touring more because there is no money in selling/making music anymore and she was offered a massive Live Nation contract after she left Warners. From Hard Candy onwards her album sales have been pretty low. Rebel Heart sold just over a million world wide and Madame X will do nowhere near that. Compare that to the 25 million True Blue sold and it's no mystery why she tours more. Digital single sales taking over pretty much destroyed the charting history of most 'heritage' acts, as there were no longer multiple formats for their fans to buy to help 'tip' the charts in their favour. It has hit Kylie and others the same and she too was very smart to become a touring artist over a musical artist pretty early on, because she only sells albums in like 3 markets, but can sell out concerts anywhere. They all follow the same format. Release the first 'hit' single and sell the tour tickets on the day the album drops. They pretty much only make albums to sell tour tickets off the back of them these days, which is the complete opposite of how it used to be when you toured to sell an album. Amy and Adele have been the only recent female artists to sell albums in massive quantities over the last 10 years and I believe Rihanna is the queen of singles sales. Actually Warner offered her more money than Live Nation, but she had a broken relationship with them by the time her contract was coming to an end: she wanted to release Impressive Instant as a single and Warner refused, saying they would release Amazing instead. Madonna then refused to record a video for Amazing, so Warner said they’d use footage from Drowned World Tour - so Madonna cut the song from the tour. They told her they were releasing GHV2 and she didn’t want to - so she refused to record any new songs, a photo shoot or promotion. Then after she finished her Re-invention Tour they came to her and demanded an album when she didn’t want to do one (which then became Confessions on a Dance Floor). So when she started contract negotiations after Confessions Tour, she was well and truly over Warner’s interference. Sadly she was better under them because they made sure she release an album ever 3 years. But prior to leaving them she had worked with Live Nation on 3 tours (over 5 years) and based on industry changes, that was where the money was - last millennia you toured to sell your album, this millennia you release an album to promote your tour... and Madge is responsible for the touring industry charging high prices - everyone saw her double her prices in 2004 and thought they could get away with it too. That said, Madge was holding on well in the download era - iTunes is the reason why Hung Up and 4 Minutes went top ten in the US (as she was still banned from radio back then... now she’s just too old). But yes, when she left Warner her new label refused to put out physical releases and the Madonna collector market was huge - Warner would always release 2 CDs and either a 12” or a picture disc (and her vinyl sales were very healthy prior to the resurgence of vinyl in recent years). Her new label did however mess up her lead single releases which didn’t help her charts - Give Me All Your Luvin’ was gifted when you pre-ordered MDNA and the charts company refused to count them as sales (it changed its mind and altered the chart rules to allow it a few months later), and Living For Love was only added to streaming services/iTunes the same day as the Brit awards - giving her only 3 days of sales before the song entered the charts. Then with Medellin she didn’t stand a chance in a streaming world. Big bad Warners making her record her biggest album in years and her best tour since her brother left Her music quality has dropped immensely since she left them. Nothing could've saved MDNA, it is an insipid album. Absolutely terrible from start to finish. You could tell she just didn't care about it. I don't think we can blame her for the ticket price thing, advertising companies started taking over touring companies and that's when everyone's prices went up, though no one else apart from her and the Stones took it to frankly immoral levels.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 21, 2020 22:08:51 GMT
Have to say the quality of her music has dropped dramatically over recent years in my opinion. Her album sales seem to show why her sales have slumped compared to previous albums in her hey day. She will never be a big selling artist again probably hence the tours , but hey does she need the money? She has always hated touring, but probably thought the last tour was something different. We will see what transpires in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 0:25:38 GMT
Have to say the quality of her music has dropped dramatically over recent years in my opinion. Her album sales seem to show why her sales have slumped compared to previous albums in her hey day. She will never be a big selling artist again probably hence the tours , but hey does she need the money? She has always hated touring, but probably thought the last tour was something different. We will see what transpires in the future. According to Forbes website Madge is worth a cool $570 million which equates to about £440 million.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 22, 2020 18:53:58 GMT
Of course ‘is worth’ ain’t the same as having the money in the bank. The likes of Madonna have expensive lifestyles....
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 22, 2020 19:27:32 GMT
Of course ‘is worth’ ain’t the same as having the money in the bank. The likes of Madonna have expensive lifestyles.... That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 2:40:05 GMT
First show in Paris... and she’s back to the midnight starts. Oops.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 3:02:50 GMT
Of course ‘is worth’ ain’t the same as having the money in the bank. The likes of Madonna have expensive lifestyles.... That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Houses aside and divorces aside ( “Lawyers suck it up, didn’t have a pre-nup”), I believe Madonna’s biggest indulgence is her art collection - she’s been buying art since the 1980s. She did an interview about it years ago and I know she owns works by Warhol, Picasso, Emins and Frida Khalo. I forget the name of the artist, but those big nude female paintings in her ‘Open Your Heart’ video - she owns the originals of those too. Her brother talked about it quite a bit in his exposé.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 8:41:46 GMT
That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Generating $2 billion in music sales doesn’t mean she pockets that. I’m pretty sure when I was youth the rule of thumb was recording artists would make roughly £1 per album sold as that would have made her about £335 million from albums. Then of course you have to tax that, feed her managers and staff etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 12:46:23 GMT
In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Generating $2 billion in music sales doesn’t mean she pockets that. I’m pretty sure when I was youth the rule of thumb was recording artists would make roughly £1 per album sold as that would have made her about £335 million from albums. Then of course you have to tax that, feed her managers and staff etc etc Yes, I know exactly what generating means. Warner gave Madonna a huge amount of leeway though in over to keep her over the years. She owns the publishing rights on almost everything she’s ever released, has written almost everything she’s ever released and made sure that whatever she recorded, her label only ever owned the songs she submitted to them and that could only ever release music in a format she agreed. That is why we never see expanded or special versions of her previous albums - Warner doesn’t own anything else to put on them. No outtakes, no unreleased songs, no demos... nothing. Plus even if they did, their agreement with Madonna is that she must approve also approve any new compilation album or revised track list of existing releases. Rumour has it she’s either buy or in the process of buying her masters back from them too. There’s some copyright law in the US that means you can buy them back after 35 years or something. Her gross ticket sales are also in excess of $1.1 billion too. I might be misquoting the specifics here, but I’m fairly sure Madonna takes home 80% of every ticket sold and then pays out her bills from that etc (starting with Sticky and Sweet).
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 23, 2020 20:01:45 GMT
That's how much she is 'worth' now, but she has earned over a billion dollars so she's spent half of it already lol In 2003 her rep confirmed (meaning they corrected a NYTimes article) she had had generated music sales in excess of $2 billion. This is before she became a serious touring machine and before she got serious shares in Live Nation (as part of her deal with them back in 2007). Houses aside and divorces aside ( “Lawyers suck it up, didn’t have a pre-nup”), I believe Madonna’s biggest indulgence is her art collection - she’s been buying art since the 1980s. She did an interview about it years ago and I know she owns works by Warhol, Picasso, Emins and Frida Khalo. I forget the name of the artist, but those big nude female paintings in her ‘Open Your Heart’ video - she owns the originals of those too. Her brother talked about it quite a bit in his exposé. Jesus...she didn't have a pre-nup with Ritchie? I thought she was supposed to be smart...
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Post by tysilio2 on Feb 24, 2020 10:45:06 GMT
Generating $2 billion in music sales doesn’t mean she pockets that. I’m pretty sure when I was youth the rule of thumb was recording artists would make roughly £1 per album sold as that would have made her about £335 million from albums. Then of course you have to tax that, feed her managers and staff etc etc Yes, I know exactly what generating means. Warner gave Madonna a huge amount of leeway though in over to keep her over the years. She owns the publishing rights on almost everything she’s ever released, has written almost everything she’s ever released and made sure that whatever she recorded, her label only ever owned the songs she submitted to them and that could only ever release music in a format she agreed. That is why we never see expanded or special versions of her previous albums - Warner doesn’t own anything else to put on them. No outtakes, no unreleased songs, no demos... nothing. Plus even if they did, their agreement with Madonna is that she must approve also approve any new compilation album or revised track list of existing releases. Rumour has it she’s either buy or in the process of buying her masters back from them too. There’s some copyright law in the US that means you can buy them back after 35 years or something. Her gross ticket sales are also in excess of $1.1 billion too. I might be misquoting the specifics here, but I’m fairly sure Madonna takes home 80% of every ticket sold and then pays out her bills from that etc (starting with Sticky and Sweet). Are they two of her children??
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Post by horton on Feb 24, 2020 14:30:02 GMT
But her art collection is an investment and she will most likely see a considerable profit if she ever decides to bank it.
I think it's fair to say... she's loaded.
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Feb 27, 2020 23:44:23 GMT
My mate on the crew posted a pretty seething few lines on Facebook from Paris in response to an article about the opening night delay there of 4.5hrs. I’m guessing he wont be sad when the tour is over.
“Making us work 4 18hr days in a row to squeeze this into a venue she wanted and then blaming her late arrival on us. Classic move from the ex Queen of pop.”
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Post by theatreian on Feb 28, 2020 15:29:14 GMT
It seems that not only does she have no respect for her audiences but now her crew also! I cannot understand all these years being late on stage. No one else seems to do it and the my time is more valuable than yours attitude really stinks.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 28, 2020 16:19:16 GMT
It seems that not only does she have no respect for her audiences but now her crew also! I cannot understand all these years being late on stage. No one else seems to do it and the my time is more valuable than yours attitude really stinks. If it's any consolation apparently she went to sit on a chair on stage last night and missed it completely and fell flat on her arse...
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 28, 2020 16:22:30 GMT
My mate on the crew posted a pretty seething few lines on Facebook from Paris in response to an article about the opening night delay there of 4.5hrs. I’m guessing he wont be sad when the tour is over. “Making us work 4 18hr days in a row to squeeze this into a venue she wanted and then blaming her late arrival on us. Classic move from the ex Queen of pop.”
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Post by horton on Feb 29, 2020 11:11:26 GMT
My mate on the crew posted a pretty seething few lines on Facebook from Paris in response to an article about the opening night delay there of 4.5hrs. I’m guessing he wont be sad when the tour is over. “Making us work 4 18hr days in a row to squeeze this into a venue she wanted and then blaming her late arrival on us. Classic move from the ex Queen of pop.” I feel some admiration for Westminster Council and/ or LW Theatres for having managed to control her attendance quite effectively by comparison! Very poor show to blame the crew for her own time-keeping diva-dom!
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Post by intoanewlife on May 1, 2020 12:39:57 GMT
So has everyone been keeping up with the Quarantine Diaries...
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