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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 21:35:03 GMT
zak97 I'm pretty sure it's just Philip is on unless he's ill or on holiday and then it'll be Dylan. Believs it or not, even though Philip seems to go on way more, Dylan is actually the first cover. So he should be the first of the two to go on as Philip is first cover Pat Denning so he covers that role when Norman is Julian. But I have a feeling that it has changed to Philip being first cover as of late as Philip is constantly on when Stuart is off it seems, and Sam Murphy has done alot of Pat Denning over the past month when Norman has covered Tom's illness and holiday.
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Post by dippy on Jan 17, 2018 22:04:33 GMT
Believs it or not, even though Philip seems to go on way more, Dylan is actually the first cover. So he should be the first of the two to go on as Philip is first cover Pat Denning so he covers that role when Norman is Julian. But I have a feeling that it has changed to Philip being first cover as of late as Philip is constantly on when Stuart is off it seems, and Sam Murphy has done alot of Pat Denning over the past month when Norman has covered Tom's illness and holiday. I'm pretty sure Philip is 1st cover Billy and Pat. He covered full weeks as Billy in July and November that I can remember and I am sure I have seen Dylan in the ensemble when I've seen Philip as Billy. In my previews programme Dylan was listed first but in the one from post previews with production photographs in Philip was listed first. I always thought that the order that they are listed in the programme is cover order.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 22:06:36 GMT
Believs it or not, even though Philip seems to go on way more, Dylan is actually the first cover. So he should be the first of the two to go on as Philip is first cover Pat Denning so he covers that role when Norman is Julian. But I have a feeling that it has changed to Philip being first cover as of late as Philip is constantly on when Stuart is off it seems, and Sam Murphy has done alot of Pat Denning over the past month when Norman has covered Tom's illness and holiday. I'm pretty sure Philip is 1st cover Billy and Pat. He covered full weeks as Billy in July and November that I can remember and I am sure I have seen Dylan in the ensemble when I've seen Philip as Billy. In my previews programme Dylan was listed first but in the one from post previews with production photographs in Philip was listed first. I always thought that the order that they are listed in the programme is cover order. That is what it is, the cover orders are in the programme. So rhat means yeah sometime between previews and performances Philip and Dylan switched. Fair play!
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Post by daniel on Jan 17, 2018 22:41:50 GMT
My programme from previews has Dylan listed first, interesting that it’s changed as it happens, I’ve seen all three and Philip was my favourite!
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Post by shady23 on Jan 18, 2018 0:07:24 GMT
I was at the show tonight from my favourite £15 front row seat. Fourth visit and still love this show, mainly for the sheer bloody joy that comes off that stage.
I'd booked today especially to see Phillip as Billy, as was his scheduled week on before Stuart got injured. He was wonderful. Really enjoyed his performance. Clare is also just sublime. What a performer. Love watching her.
Also got to chat, get my programme signed and get photos with Clare, Phillip, Sheena, Tom and Norman at the Stage Door so I am one happy bunny. Well worth the 14 hour coach round trip... now just wondering when I can book next. Shame I won't get to see Norman as Julian, he is so woefully underused as Pat.
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Post by stageyqueen on Jan 18, 2018 0:14:46 GMT
Well, we had everything tonight! Jae in great form as always. All the mains were on with the exception of Philip on as Billy and Kirsty on as Annie. Michael Linnit was spotted in the Royal Box, there was an idiot with a mobile going off somewhere in Row A stalls - when will these people learn??? The sound in the first half was bad with Philip being badly mic'd to the point you could hardly hear him in Dames and Chris Howell's Mic went completely during Keep young and Beautiful. Jasna stepped in and sang the lines. Sound greatly improved in the 2nd half. Still, even with all that going on, it was good to see three levels open for a show in Mid Jan. I never tire of watching this show or watching the amazing talented cast.
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Post by daniel on Jan 18, 2018 0:47:35 GMT
Well, we had everything tonight! Jae in great form as always. All the mains were on with the exception of Philip on as Billy and Kirsty on as Annie. Michael Linnit was spotted in the Royal Box, there was an idiot with a mobile going off somewhere in Row A stalls - when will these people learn??? The sound in the first half was bad with Philip being badly mic'd to the point you could hardly hear him in Dames and Chris Howell's Mic went completely during Keep young and Beautiful. Jasna stepped in and sang the lines. Sound greatly improved in the 2nd half. Still, even with all that going on, it was good to see three levels open for a show in Mid Jan. I never tire of watching this show or watching the amazing talented cast. danieljohnson14 would tell you that's an improvement
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Post by shady23 on Jan 18, 2018 2:58:11 GMT
I'm sure I saw him lurking suspiciously near the connections in the wings! 😉
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Post by michalnowicki on Jan 18, 2018 9:55:07 GMT
Argh, correction! Norman just told me Tom has messed up his dates and he is off February 15th to 21st. So those are Norman’s last Julian Marsh dates. Sorry for the confusion. Seeing it on 22nd, so hope that Tom is rested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 12:09:33 GMT
Well, we had everything tonight! Jae in great form as always. All the mains were on with the exception of Philip on as Billy and Kirsty on as Annie. Michael Linnit was spotted in the Royal Box, there was an idiot with a mobile going off somewhere in Row A stalls - when will these people learn??? The sound in the first half was bad with Philip being badly mic'd to the point you could hardly hear him in Dames and Chris Howell's Mic went completely during Keep young and Beautiful. Jasna stepped in and sang the lines. Sound greatly improved in the 2nd half. Still, even with all that going on, it was good to see three levels open for a show in Mid Jan. I never tire of watching this show or watching the amazing talented cast. Oh fabulous! You must of had a great time, sounds like a brilliant performance!
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Post by stageyqueen on Jan 18, 2018 13:49:26 GMT
Well, we had everything tonight! Jae in great form as always. All the mains were on with the exception of Philip on as Billy and Kirsty on as Annie. Michael Linnit was spotted in the Royal Box, there was an idiot with a mobile going off somewhere in Row A stalls - when will these people learn??? The sound in the first half was bad with Philip being badly mic'd to the point you could hardly hear him in Dames and Chris Howell's Mic went completely during Keep young and Beautiful. Jasna stepped in and sang the lines. Sound greatly improved in the 2nd half. Still, even with all that going on, it was good to see three levels open for a show in Mid Jan. I never tire of watching this show or watching the amazing talented cast. Oh fabulous! You must of had a great time, sounds like a brilliant performance! LOL. Oh Daniel you made me laugh hehehe. I see from previous posts you are not the biggest fan of CH! Not sure why though? I know he camps up the role but surely that is how the shows director has told him to play the part is it not? I have seen him in other more "Straight" roles and found him a good actor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:54:08 GMT
Oh fabulous! You must of had a great time, sounds like a brilliant performance! LOL. Oh Daniel you made me laugh hehehe. I see from previous posts you are not the biggest fan of CH! Not sure why though? I know he camps up the role but surely that is how the shows director has told him to play the part is it not? I have seen him in other more "Straight" roles and found him a good actor. I should reiterate this point (not coming for you hahaha, just since brought up and I've been meaning to remind people of this on here), I do not hate him as an actor or a performer. I have seen him good in other roles, he was great in Side Show and he did what he could to make Doctor Dillamond interesting. It's just, he really is weak in THIS specific show with this specific role, so mucn so he is literally the ONPY weak link in the show so there is no avoiding it haha. I have respect for any actor on the West End, so its nothing to do with him as a performer, just him in this specific role. Maybe a director choice, maybe this role just isn' for him. And the fact people voted for him over Stuart for that damn WOS Award nomination is criminal, truly criminal!
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Post by shady23 on Jan 18, 2018 14:34:30 GMT
That really annoyed me.
Not as much as him and Clare not getting the final bows, but it was a very close run thing!
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Post by stageyqueen on Jan 18, 2018 19:25:05 GMT
That really annoyed me. Not as much as him and Clare not getting the final bows, but it was a very close run thing! Hi Shady23. I agree with you 100% that Clare should get the final bow and boy she deserves it. However, and please correct me if i am wrong. The role of Peggy & Billy are not essentially the "main" roles in the show and only "Supporting" and by tradition it is Dorothy and Julian who are the "Stars" hence why they have the final bow? That's why in the final amazing tap number after the bows, Clare gets the well deserved praise and recognition. One thing I do find and it really amazes me, and not sure if others have noticed, I am really shocked at how slow people are getting up to give them a standing ovation. It takes me (after 43 times of seeing the show) all my restraint from jumping up and yelling during the staircase routine, so by the time the bows are here I am so up on my feet applauding and whooping loudly and amazed not everyone else follows! Some nights the audiences seem really stuffy. Anyone else noticed?
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Post by Stephen on Jan 19, 2018 4:05:57 GMT
Both times that I have been I have ovated but like you said, the audiences seem reluctant for some reason even though they obviously love the show!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 9:02:35 GMT
Both times that I have been I have ovated but like you said, the audiences seem reluctant for some reason even though they obviously love the show! maybe age and infirmity comes into play. Given the average age of the audience, most of them would struggle to stand in assisted having been sat down for 1-2hours already. Different reasoning for me.
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Post by alece10 on Jan 19, 2018 9:20:17 GMT
Both times that I have been I have ovated but like you said, the audiences seem reluctant for some reason even though they obviously love the show! maybe age and infirmity comes into play. Given the average age of the audience, most of them would struggle to stand in assisted having been sat down for 1-2hours already. Different reasoning for me. Hate to say it but think you are right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 9:25:08 GMT
Meant unassisted. Damn phone.
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Post by Sam on Jan 19, 2018 10:51:06 GMT
Depending on the day I might be infirm, but at 25 definitely not old, so my reasons for not standing when I saw it were a little different.
This is the probably the first time I have seen a show and felt compelled to ovate of my own accord- not taking a cue from the rest of the audience, or standing just because everyone in front of me was and I couldn't see. I was on the verge but as I was sat in the second row I felt like I might be blocking people's views by standing. No-one in the front row stood, and I didn't see what was going on behind me so I stayed seated.
Maybe I'll be a bit braver next time...
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 19, 2018 11:10:57 GMT
One thing I do find and it really amazes me, and not sure if others have noticed, I am really shocked at how slow people are getting up to give them a standing ovation. It takes me (after 43 times of seeing the show) all my restraint from jumping up and yelling during the staircase routine, so by the time the bows are here I am so up on my feet applauding and whooping loudly and amazed not everyone else follows! Some nights the audiences seem really stuffy. Anyone else noticed? Why is it that young people seem to think that a standing ovation is a required response to a show that they have enjoyed? If they consider the design of most theatres, it is fairly obvious that for everybody in the stalls to see the stage it is necessary for everyone to remain seated. As soon as people near the front stand up then everybody behind them has to stand up in order to be able to continue to see the people on the stage and then not always very well. Not only is this extremely inconvenient for older people like me balancing jackets, caps, hand bags, folding walking sticks and such on our laps to have to stand up and continue clapping, but it leads to a major problem if the cast on stage go into an encore! I will not be very popular for saying this, but it seems to me that the people who immediately leap to their feet to lead a standing ovation are really being rather selfish and drawing attention to themselves in doing this. I have been a regular theatre-goer for something like 70 years and it was never necessary to behave like this in order to let the performers on stage know how much they were appreciated. In particular, at the opera and ballet, standing ovations were not necessary for Joan Sutherland, Luciano Pavarotti, Jussi Björling, Birgit Nilsson, Maria Callas, Rudolf Nureyev, Margot Fonteyn and the great stars of the Russian Bolshoi and Kirov Ballet Companies. Cheering and shouting bravo was the way in which appreciation was shown, as well as sometimes throwing flowers onto the stage. Audience response at the regular theatres in the West End was usually more restrained, even when it was Barbra Streisand in 'Funny Girl', Sir Laurence Olivier in 'Othello', Geraldine McEwan and Albert Finney in 'A Flea in Her Ear' or Judi Dench and John Stride in Zeffirelli's 'Romeo and Juliet'. The audience remained seated at the end and showed their appreciation with prolonged applause and cheering. May I please make an earnest request that everybody should remain seated at the end of '42nd Street' and every other show in the West End and confine showing their appreciation of the company to applause and cheering so that everybody in the theatre can continue to see and appreciate the performers on the stage. Don't get me wrong: I have seen '42nd Street' ten times. It thrills and excites me every time and I want the company at the end to know how much I have enjoyed it, but leaping to my feet is not the right way to do this, but rather remaining seated and applauding loudly and shouting bravo is the proper way to do this in a traditional theatre.
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Post by daniel on Jan 19, 2018 11:17:14 GMT
I think it's a balance, and tonyloco raises a very good point. I have no doubt that there are people who stand for the attention. These people can usually be found somewhere in the front row screaming and sobbing hysterically (possible hyperbole, maybe) However I do think that there are occasions when you can be swept up in a show and feel compelled to stand. I've had this before. It's rare. Usually I'll glance around to see what everyone else is doing, but on a couple of occasions I've been that blown away by a show that I've found myself being swept up in to my feet, almost subconciously. That said, if an encore stars (ala 42nd Street), the respectful thing to do is sit down again, for the benefit and enjoyment of those who dont/can't stand. A venue I used to usher at positioned the wheelchairs at the back of the stalls, albeit on a raised platform but whenever we had a "everybody on your feet!" finale to a show (I hate them, by the way) they immediately couldn't see what was going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:50:44 GMT
I agree that there is some reluctance at this show to stand, but I just assume its a generational thing. I have stood to applaud every time, and usually by the end of Clare and the Ensemble's final number, they are all stood by that point, or mostly. *lowkey, I always take that finale number as Clares bow haha, so when she comes back on in the yellow outfit, yes I cheer everyime and people follow and cheer too* 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:09:57 GMT
I can't recall being at a show where people didn't sit down for the encore if it was truly an encore (a la 42nd Street) rather than intended audience participation like at Mamma Mia, so I don't think that is a fair reason for demanding people don't give a standing ovation.
At the end of the day, it is everyone's individual choice whether to stand or not, for whatever reason they choose to do so (or to remain seated). No-one has the right to criticise people for not doing it, but equally no-one has the right to criticise people for doing so - for most people it is simply a show of appreciation for the cast and crew of what they have just seen, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's not preventing anyone from seeing the show itself, which has finished. If someone stands in front of you, you have the option to stand as well. If mobility issues prevent you from doing so, then you have the option of booking an aisle seat or a box where your view will not be blocked, so there are solutions for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:17:29 GMT
I think the point about standing ovations is that many people feel they should be reserved for occasions that are truly exceptional. There is already a way for audiences to show that they've loved a performance, and that's applause. If standing becomes the routine and unremarkable way of showing appreciation then it has no meaning. How do you show that something has been out of the ordinary then? Make a sacrificial offering?
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Post by dippy on Jan 19, 2018 12:20:00 GMT
I am not a fan of standing ovations and as much as I love 42nd Street I would much rather stay seated. There are very few times that I have ever felt the need to stand at the end of a show, the most recent was possibly the first preview of Groundhog day. I am shy and find standing ovations uncomfy and embarrassing, I do not go to the theatre to be seen, however being the only person to not stand especially if seated at the front is just as embarrassing. If there was a way to become invisible and continue clapping I would do that.
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