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Post by wickedgrin on Apr 5, 2017 9:36:18 GMT
If this show is not a HUGE hit - I will despair!
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Post by anita on Apr 5, 2017 9:37:34 GMT
Forget the reviews - Look at Les Mis - The people have spoken.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 9:39:04 GMT
Why are some people surprised? I pointed out a couple of times how it wasn't likely to get across the board raves. Personally I never value individual reviews but, taken overall, you get the picture. Some ecstatic responses (mainly mirroring the subsection of people who post here), the flawed book and spectacle over substance knocking a star off In a number of other reviews (and, if pushed, I would also have given it four stars) and real qualms about how it takes a grittier source and then sweetens it too far, pushing it to an okay three stars in a couple of the major reviews.
It's the shallowness that, in the end, played badly for me. I loved the spectacle and there is an automatic visceral response to seeing/hearing a massed chorus that I loved. Having seen so many great play productions recently, however, I didn't engage my brain at all (apart from drifting off into musing on the thirties, fascism, Berkeley vs Riefenstahl etc.)
It should run, it has plenty of star ratings to boast of and good word of mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 9:39:39 GMT
Since when did reviews sell shows?!
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 5, 2017 9:44:33 GMT
I really fail to understand the critics' agenda in general. Why are they so grumpy? If people aren't enticed into the West End theatres will close and people (including them) will lose jobs.
From the bits I've read it seems that a couple of the critics questioned the decision to revive 42nd Street before they even left their houses. Should they be allowed to knock a star off for that? Surely anyone going knows it's from the time their granny lived and has some familiar old-style tunes and is one of the few (if only?) places you can see some serious tap dancing in London. It would appear that everyone, including the grumpy critics, would agree that those songs and those tap dances have been brought to the stage spectacularly - so what more should anyone want?
Miserable clods of earth.
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Post by wickedgrin on Apr 5, 2017 9:45:23 GMT
I'm off to see this again from the front row on Friday evening! Very excited - I really should get out more! I will probably need to recover from seeing an amateur production of A Chorus Line this evening in Brighton! Another show which I saw originally at Drury Lane which knocked my socks off back in the day! I doubt I will have my socks blown off tonight!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 9:45:37 GMT
Why are some people surprised? I pointed out a couple of times how it wasn't likely to get across the board raves. Personally I never value individual reviews but, taken overall, you get the picture. Some ecstatic responses (mainly mirroring the subsection of people who post here), the flawed book and spectacle over substance knocking a star off In a number of other reviews (and, if pushed, I would also have given it four stars) and real qualms about how it takes a grittier source and then sweetens it too far, pushing it to an okay three stars in a couple of the major reviews. It's the shallowness that, in the end, played badly for me. I loved the spectacle and there is an automatic visceral response to seeing/hearing a massed chorus that I loved. Having seen so many great play productions recently, however, I didn't engage my brain at all (apart from drifting off into musing on the thirties, fascism, Berkeley vs Riefenstahl etc.) It should run, it has plenty of star ratings to boast of and good word of mouth. One should always be suspicious of shows that get only rave reviews any nothing else The outcome is rarely good
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 9:48:56 GMT
Why are some people surprised? I pointed out a couple of times how it wasn't likely to get across the board raves. Personally I never value individual reviews but, taken overall, you get the picture. Some ecstatic responses (mainly mirroring the subsection of people who post here), the flawed book and spectacle over substance knocking a star off In a number of other reviews (and, if pushed, I would also have given it four stars) and real qualms about how it takes a grittier source and then sweetens it too far, pushing it to an okay three stars in a couple of the major reviews. It's the shallowness that, in the end, played badly for me. I loved the spectacle and there is an automatic visceral response to seeing/hearing a massed chorus that I loved. Having seen so many great play productions recently, however, I didn't engage my brain at all (apart from drifting off into musing on the thirties, fascism, Berkeley vs Riefenstahl etc.) It should run, it has plenty of star ratings to boast of and good word of mouth. One should always be suspicious of shows that get only rave reviews any nothing else The outcome is rarely good So you're gunning for Hamilton then?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 9:57:13 GMT
One should always be suspicious of shows that get only rave reviews any nothing else The outcome is rarely good So you're gunning for Hamilton then? Just because it ticks all the equality and diversity boxes Critics fell over themselves to praise it I prefer 42nd Street to Hamilton My own personal preference More lavish and that's what counts
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Post by Jon on Apr 5, 2017 9:58:49 GMT
What were the reviews like for 42nd Street like when it originally opened at Drury Lane in 1984?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:01:34 GMT
I looked at the hundreds of faces smiling like moons at the show Did you mean "morons"? Three stars (The Guardian)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:10:41 GMT
I looked at the hundreds of faces smiling like moons at the show Did you mean "morons"? Three stars (The Guardian) NO I meant moons When you look at the rows of faces in the theatre lighting cast from the stage They look like grey moons
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:15:29 GMT
Oh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:19:19 GMT
Love them Smiling moons joyful and content Entranced by the show
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:21:06 GMT
Lunar tics.
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 5, 2017 10:24:23 GMT
So you're gunning for Hamilton then? Just because it ticks all the equality and diversity boxes Critics fell over themselves to praise it I prefer 42nd Street to Hamilton My own personal preference More lavish and that's what counts You said earlier that it cost £9m to bring this revival, which is plenty by any stretch. So how much of this is your share?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:29:22 GMT
Just because it ticks all the equality and diversity boxes Critics fell over themselves to praise it I prefer 42nd Street to Hamilton My own personal preference More lavish and that's what counts You said earlier that it cost £9m to bring this revival, which is plenty by any stretch. So how much of this is your share? I am just a humble ice cream and confectionery seller Barely even a few M&Ms
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Post by PalelyLaura on Apr 5, 2017 10:29:37 GMT
Michael Billington gave this 3 stars and Don Juan in Soho 4 stars.
I like the Guardian, but seriously??!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:30:53 GMT
One should always be suspicious of shows that get only rave reviews any nothing else The outcome is rarely good If I'm buying something on the internet and I've narrowed it down to two options, one with exclusively 5* reviews and one that has an overall average of 4.5*, I'm going to buy the latter. It *could* be that the first option genuinely is life-alteringly superb, but I don't want to make that assumption and end up with a shoddy product because the company hired some shills to talk it up. An overall 4.5* average isn't perfect, but having detractors means that overall the reviews are more likely to be genuine. So putting aside the nonsense that "lavish" is what matters most when it comes to a musical, I otherwise agree with parsley. On this point, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:33:11 GMT
Michael Billington gave this 3 stars and Don Juan in Soho 4 stars. I like the Guardian, but seriously??!! Michael Billington gave War Horse 3 stars. He could simply have a mathematical system based on the various aspects that sometimes adds up to odd star ratings rather than giving the show a score out of 5 as a whole, it seems plausible that War Horse might have been let down by its writing. But I just like looking at some of the dross he gives 4 stars to and shouting "BETTER THAN WAR HORSE" to amuse myself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:34:45 GMT
I don't think the reviews will make much difference either way. The folk who like this sort of thing will go regardless. And nothing would drag the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:37:34 GMT
Time Out
Gave
The Girls Dreamgirls AAIP
all 3 stars
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Post by infofreako on Apr 5, 2017 10:39:40 GMT
I'm off to see this again from the front row on Friday evening! Very excited - I really should get out more! I will probably need to recover from seeing an amateur production of A Chorus Line this evening in Brighton! Another show which I saw originally at Drury Lane which knocked my socks off back in the day! I doubt I will have my socks blown off tonight! I'm at Chorus Line tonight. Review I've seen has been positive
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Post by justafan on Apr 5, 2017 11:20:38 GMT
Admittedly not a critic but Sara Cox on Radio 2 Breakfast Show sang the praises of the Opening night - I lost count of how many times she used the word 'incredible' so that will have reached a few hundred thousand ears - she also played 'we're in the money' & didn't even add at the end 'other shows in the West End are available' ...
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Post by duncan on Apr 5, 2017 12:08:34 GMT
Michael Billington gave this 3 stars and Don Juan in Soho 4 stars. I like the Guardian, but seriously??!! Its his opinion and opinions are like arseholes.
Everybody has one
Its never a good idea to take on board any review too seriously, the only viewpoint that should count for any show is your own and whether or not you like what you have seen.
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