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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 13:54:52 GMT
I'm going to have to see this after all the comments on here. I just have a horrid feeling this isn't a show for me. Even so I guess it'll be good to see the great production values on stage. You MUST see please Anyone who lists "theatre" as a hobby or interest or claims they like "going" to the theatre Cannot legitimately justify this If they miss this show whilst it is on at Drury Lane I cannot express or overstate the historical and artistic important of this show enough It is the equivalent of mandatory training at work And makes all those interval departures and dull shows I have sat through fade into insignificance I hope you have a lovely time! O come on, this is getting silly now. It is not historically or artistically important, it is a well done revival of a film to stage transfer. It isn't Showboat or Oklahoma or the like. The production is spectacular but the show, as written, is not. It is a well executed pastiche of a period. It's on a par with something like The Boy Friend or the No No Nanette revival. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 13:57:37 GMT
Also it's not 'mandatory' for anyone who dares to say they like theatre...it's a fantastic production of a classic musical I'm sure, but for those without the means or ability to a) drop substantial amounts of money on a West End ticket b) able to see anything and everything in London, we are not 'lesser' theatre fans because we don't see it.
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Post by Peach on Apr 4, 2017 14:10:22 GMT
I got a bit emotional watching that trailer 😶. Haven't had that churning sense of anticipation about a musical for years. I may cry during the overture!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:13:52 GMT
You MUST see please Anyone who lists "theatre" as a hobby or interest or claims they like "going" to the theatre Cannot legitimately justify this If they miss this show whilst it is on at Drury Lane I cannot express or overstate the historical and artistic important of this show enough It is the equivalent of mandatory training at work And makes all those interval departures and dull shows I have sat through fade into insignificance I hope you have a lovely time! O come on, this is getting silly now. It is not historically or artistically important, it is a well done revival of a film to stage transfer. It isn't Showboat or Oklahoma or the like. The production is spectacular but the show, as written, is not. It is a well executed pastiche of a period. It's on a par with something like The Boy Friend or the No No Nanette revival. The same Showboat that was a massive success last year? LOL!!! I am referring to the production values which far exceed anything else that has played in a mainstream WE theatre in the last 2 decades in London |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:17:49 GMT
Also it's not 'mandatory' for anyone who dares to say they like theatre...it's a fantastic production of a classic musical I'm sure, but for those without the means or ability to a) drop substantial amounts of money on a West End ticket b) able to see anything and everything in London, we are not 'lesser' theatre fans because we don't see it. If you don't see it You won't know And there are excellent seats for £15 in the stalls or £35 in the grand circle No one said anything about "lesser" But can someone call themselves a "foodie" without actually going to a restaurant? There is a "box ticking" element to any hobby I think people who attend the theatre regularly are missing out greatly if they bypass this show |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:19:02 GMT
O come on, this is getting silly now. It is not historically or artistically important, it is a well done revival of a film to stage transfer. It isn't Showboat or Oklahoma or the like. The production is spectacular but the show, as written, is not. It is a well executed pastiche of a period. It's on a par with something like The Boy Friend or the No No Nanette revival. The same Showboat that was a massive success last year? LOL!!! I am referring to the production values which far exceed anything else that has played in a mainstream WE theatre in the last 2 decades in London It's not all about money, its about art. And Showboat was one of the best pieces of theatre of the past year. Even if it didn't have much commercial success, it was a beautiful production and stellar cast, that is undeniable.
But you always comment on the commercial side of things rather than the art of things, so I shouldn't be too surprised. You do you boo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:20:41 GMT
You MUST see please Anyone who lists "theatre" as a hobby or interest or claims they like "going" to the theatre Cannot legitimately justify this If they miss this show whilst it is on at Drury Lane I cannot express or overstate the historical and artistic important of this show enough It is the equivalent of mandatory training at work And makes all those interval departures and dull shows I have sat through fade into insignificance I hope you have a lovely time! O come on, this is getting silly now. It is not historically or artistically important, it is a well done revival of a film to stage transfer. It isn't Showboat or Oklahoma or the like. The production is spectacular but the show, as written, is not. It is a well executed pastiche of a period. It's on a par with something like The Boy Friend or the No No Nanette revival. Sorry- it is not clear to me if you have actually seen this production yet? It seems not but do correct me if I am wrong.. Anyone who has seen it would surely not even mention "Showboat" in the same post after that massive flop last year I have yet to see any production of the Boy Friend or No No Nanette with a cast of 55 and orchestra of 20 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:24:04 GMT
The same Showboat that was a massive success last year? LOL!!! I am referring to the production values which far exceed anything else that has played in a mainstream WE theatre in the last 2 decades in London It's not all about money, its about art. And Showboat was one of the best pieces of theatre of the past year. Even if it didn't have much commercial success, it was a beautiful production and stellar cast, that is undeniable.
But you always comment on the commercial side of things rather than the art of things, so I shouldn't be too surprised. You do you boo.
This is not always true Most of what I see and love is at places like RC,Young Vic, NT and other heavily funded venues Most of these never transfer, have limited runs and sell well regardless due to loyal patrons and we never really discuss or hear of how their box office is doing I don't think I have ever been to RC and thought "There are loads of empty seats" However in the WE commercial success is more important for obvious reasons and this has to be recognised for a show to be viable and carry on running we cannot ignore this important dimension of a show Just see how many shows have received rave reviews and still closed and we can't shy away from that element A show simply cannot be classified as a "success" if it makes a loss and closes early due to half empty auditoriums Regardless of the rave reviews and "artistic" value This is applicable to Showboat Perhaps we can use the term "Honourable failure" ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:24:32 GMT
Also it's not 'mandatory' for anyone who dares to say they like theatre...it's a fantastic production of a classic musical I'm sure, but for those without the means or ability to a) drop substantial amounts of money on a West End ticket b) able to see anything and everything in London, we are not 'lesser' theatre fans because we don't see it. If you don't see it You won't know And there are excellent seats for £15 in the stalls or £35 in the grand circle No one said anything about "lesser" But can someone call themselves a "foodie" without actually going to a restaurant? There is a "box ticking" element to any hobby I think people who attend the theatre regularly are missing out greatly if they bypass this show £15 tickets, limited in number, difficult to get. Plus my train or bus journey. Plus coordinating work/life.
It's not that I don't want to see it, but I'm also not going to coordinate my life around seeing it when there are many, many other brilliant pieces of theatre on offer closer to home and in London. A true 'foodie' also samples a wide variety not just the current 'hot spots'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:29:31 GMT
It's not all about money, its about art. And Showboat was one of the best pieces of theatre of the past year. Even if it didn't have much commercial success, it was a beautiful production and stellar cast, that is undeniable.
But you always comment on the commercial side of things rather than the art of things, so I shouldn't be too surprised. You do you boo.
This is not always true Most of what I see and love is at places like RC,Young Vic, NT and other heavily funded venues Most of these never transfer, have limited runs and sell well regardless due to loyal patrons and we never really discuss or hear of how their box office is doing However in the WE commercial success is more important for obvious reasons and this has to be recognised for a show to be viable and carry on running we cannot ignore this important dimension of a show Just see how many shows have received rave reviews and still closed It's not to be ignored but it is not the most important thing. Oklahoma and Show Boat, as examples, changed the face of musical theatre. As did West Side Story and Shuffle Along. And none of their successes were based on finance. They may of gained financial success, but that is not what they are remembered for. Yes, Show Boat wasn't a hit in London this time around, but no one can deny its importance in musical theatre, or how that particular production was so well received, especially the stellar performances of Gina Beck and Rebecca Trehearn. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:30:35 GMT
Saw it last week. Pretty similar to the Broadway revival I saw quite a while ago. If spectacle was what mattered we'd all be harking back to those wonderful shows such as Time and Metropolis.
Your fixation on size and surfaces is of no relevance when referring to landmarks in theatre history, which is collaborative. It is the mix of spectacle and substance, of speech and song that characterises the superior shows. 42nd Street, at least in this incarnation, is balm for dark times, that's all (and that"s honourable enough without outlandish claims of importance).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:35:13 GMT
This is not always true Most of what I see and love is at places like RC,Young Vic, NT and other heavily funded venues Most of these never transfer, have limited runs and sell well regardless due to loyal patrons and we never really discuss or hear of how their box office is doing However in the WE commercial success is more important for obvious reasons and this has to be recognised for a show to be viable and carry on running we cannot ignore this important dimension of a show Just see how many shows have received rave reviews and still closed It's not to be ignored but it is not the most important thing. Oklahoma and Show Boat, as examples, changed the face of musical theatre. As did West Side Story and Shuffle Along. And none of their successes were based on finance. They may of gained financial success, but that is not what they are remembered for. Yes, Show Boat wasn't a hit in London this time around, but no one can deny its importance in musical theatre, or how that particular production was so well received, especially the stellar performances of Gina Beck and Rebecca Trehearn. Yet isn't it odd that a show as important as Show Boat was not embraced by the theatre going public It was very well received by critics but why did this not translate to the paying audiences? My own personal opinion was the sloppy staging designed for a theatre outside the WE and not up to the highest standards, along with dodgy sound and acting and accents These sorts of shows, Show Boat, Gypsy, My Fair Lady....cannot be done by halves They demand a definitive production in order to fulfill audience expectations which are high The recent Gypsy demonstrated that, where although I did not like some elements of the story I could not find anything wrong with the staging, dancing, acting, sets, costumes It was all done to the highest level possible with no short cuts or skimping I also find it hilarious that people moan at my leaving shows and not liking anything Then again when I actually love something Too funny! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:35:34 GMT
If you don't see it You won't know And there are excellent seats for £15 in the stalls or £35 in the grand circle No one said anything about "lesser" But can someone call themselves a "foodie" without actually going to a restaurant? There is a "box ticking" element to any hobby I think people who attend the theatre regularly are missing out greatly if they bypass this show £15 tickets, limited in number, difficult to get. Plus my train or bus journey. Plus coordinating work/life.
It's not that I don't want to see it, but I'm also not going to coordinate my life around seeing it when there are many, many other brilliant pieces of theatre on offer closer to home and in London. A true 'foodie' also samples a wide variety not just the current 'hot spots'
I hope you are able to fit in in nonetheless! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:48:29 GMT
It's not to be ignored but it is not the most important thing. Oklahoma and Show Boat, as examples, changed the face of musical theatre. As did West Side Story and Shuffle Along. And none of their successes were based on finance. They may of gained financial success, but that is not what they are remembered for. Yes, Show Boat wasn't a hit in London this time around, but no one can deny its importance in musical theatre, or how that particular production was so well received, especially the stellar performances of Gina Beck and Rebecca Trehearn. Yet isn't it odd that a show as important as Show Boat was not embraced by the theatre going public It was very well received by critics but why did this not translate to the paying audiences? My own personal opinion was the sloppy staging designed for a theatre outside the WE and not up to the highest standards, along with dodgy sound and acting and accents These sorts of shows, Show Boat, Gypsy, My Fair Lady....cannot be done by halves They demand a definitive production in order to fulfill audience expectations which are high The recent Gypsy demonstrated that, where although I did not like some elements of the story I could not find anything wrong with the staging, dancing, acting, sets, costumes It was all done to the highest level possible with no short cuts or skimping I also find it hilarious that people moan at my leaving shows and not liking anything Then again when I actually love something Too funny! Your description of Show Boat was exactly how I felt about Bend It Like Beckham. Funny.
I don't laugh at your opinions, I just am used to them so I just think "parsley didn't like something, what else is new, next".
*and note to that one or two who will complain about me quoting a long comment two things: whenever I cut down a comment, it completely disappears so I don't bother trying. And Parsley doesn't write in the same way most posters write, so it is difficult to cut down. (That isn't meant as shady to you Parsley, there is just a couple of fussy ones out there)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 15:06:20 GMT
42nd Street
Is sort of incomparable with Bend It
It dwarfs it in all respects
But I tell you it's the last time SFP will be producing a new musical like that one without any out of town tryout or transferring like they did with Sunny Afternoon
Fingers badly burned
And therefore by the above post, when I do like something it should make you Pr**k up your ears!
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 4, 2017 15:40:01 GMT
I also find it hilarious that people moan at my leaving shows and not liking anything Then again when I actually love something Too funny! Too true! I love it that you love it @parsley .  |
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Post by infofreako on Apr 4, 2017 15:43:06 GMT
Parsley is very close to the top of my must meet theatreboard members
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Post by japhun on Apr 4, 2017 15:53:16 GMT
Wow!! That trailer is sensational on so many levels, one of which is that it truthfully represents the show! exactly what I thought!! Such an accurate representation!  |
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Post by japhun on Apr 4, 2017 15:58:08 GMT
I'm going to have to see this after all the comments on here. I just have a horrid feeling this isn't a show for me. Even so I guess it'll be good to see the great production values on stage. You MUST see please Anyone who lists "theatre" as a hobby or interest or claims they like "going" to the theatre Cannot legitimately justify this If they miss this show whilst it is on at Drury Lane I cannot express or overstate the historical and artistic important of this show enough It is the equivalent of mandatory training at work And makes all those interval departures and dull shows I have sat through fade into insignificance I hope you have a lovely time! I am so glad parsley and I agree on this It is so so great! |
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Post by japhun on Apr 4, 2017 15:59:35 GMT
Also it's not 'mandatory' for anyone who dares to say they like theatre...it's a fantastic production of a classic musical I'm sure, but for those without the means or ability to a) drop substantial amounts of money on a West End ticket b) able to see anything and everything in London, we are not 'lesser' theatre fans because we don't see it. I've only paid £15 both times I have seen it! That isn't exactly substantial in terms of musical theatre on the West End. I also don't think anyone is saying you are a 'lesser' theatre fan...just that you are missing out! |
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 4, 2017 16:07:58 GMT
42nd Street Is sort of incomparable with Bend It It dwarfs it in all respects But I tell you it's the last time SFP will be producing a new musical like that one without any out of town tryout or transferring like they did with Sunny Afternoon Fingers badly burned And therefore by the above post, when I do like something it should make you Pr**k up your ears! Swings and Roundabouts. She made a tonne of money from Book of Mormon, without any out of town try out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 16:21:40 GMT
42nd Street Is sort of incomparable with Bend It It dwarfs it in all respects But I tell you it's the last time SFP will be producing a new musical like that one without any out of town tryout or transferring like they did with Sunny Afternoon Fingers badly burned And therefore by the above post, when I do like something it should make you Pr**k up your ears! Swings and Roundabouts. She made a tonne of money from Book of Mormon, without any out of town try out. It did have the benefit of success on Broadway though and Tony Awards! It was not an unknown entity She "bought that show over" and was not involved in its inception and creation Quite different to nurturing a show from the start as per Bend It |
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 4, 2017 16:27:06 GMT
That trailer is incredible
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 16:41:22 GMT
Also it's not 'mandatory' for anyone who dares to say they like theatre...it's a fantastic production of a classic musical I'm sure, but for those without the means or ability to a) drop substantial amounts of money on a West End ticket b) able to see anything and everything in London, we are not 'lesser' theatre fans because we don't see it. I've only paid £15 both times I have seen it! That isn't exactly substantial in terms of musical theatre on the West End. I also don't think anyone is saying you are a 'lesser' theatre fan...just that you are missing out! Like I said to Parsely further up £15 is all well and good if you're local-ish and can be flexible on dates, given Theresa a limited number of them. And I have to factor inn substantial travel and accomadation to any London trip. It gets a bit wearing is all when everyone assumes all of us can see everything... For the record I tried to get tickets for this weekend a while back but already they were all out of my price range and that's for a trip that was happening anyway... |
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Post by anthony40 on Apr 4, 2017 16:53:33 GMT
Kudos to all involved tonight. Such a brilliant show.
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