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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 11:30:52 GMT
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here, they've haven't announced a pricing structure yet...
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Post by welsh_tenor on Oct 5, 2018 11:42:57 GMT
Do we think this could go British casting ala Wicked with British accents or British casting ala Hamilton and stick to American accents?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 11:50:51 GMT
Do we think this could go British casting ala Wicked with British accents or British casting ala Hamilton and stick to American accents?! I'd imagine American accents. The thing is, from what I've read, Wicked got away with British accents because Oz is a make believe land, so therefore they could talk in whatever accent and it wouldn't matter. Whereas Evan Hansen is set in America so they will keep it there.
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Post by MoreLife on Oct 5, 2018 12:16:16 GMT
But I'm still glad it's coming so I can see it properly, you know not just judge it on the cast recording and weird promo clips That's my thinking, too. For me it's an "okay" musical, something like a decent first try-out that could be polished both story-wise and musically. I don't think I'm too old for it, as I can love "teenage stories" too - I adored both Jamie and Eugenius in London. But I'm not a fan of this kind of noisy pop music (my favorite song by a mile is the much quieter "So Big / So Small"), I think the lyrics are clumsy and the story doesn't sit quite right with me. I just don't get how it could turn into such a crazy hype in New York. However, I am fine accepting that I might be missing somehing here and will be happy to give it a go when it comes to London. Just so I can understand your point better, I've got a couple of questions: Are you saying that Jamie and Eugenius are not heavily pop-sounding? Mind you, I adore Jamie and will defend the value and relevance of that show if anyone tries to attack it, but "I'll keep on climbing and climbing and climbing / This wall in my head, head, head / This wall in my head / This wall in my head" has a rather distinct pop feel about it, and doesn't exactly sound like Stephen Sondheim spent a month working on it... Is a plot about a teenage guy who draws cartoons about a superhero coming from outer space (very much à-la-Superman), whose work is selected to be turned into a blockbuster of sorts, where the baddie he created on paper actually comes to chase him in real life one that sits right with you? Mind you, I've enjoyed Eugenius a lot, it's fresh and bubbly and everyone in the cast does an amazing job and it deserves its West End transfer, and we can all do with a few hours of mindless musical fun, but it's not exactly the pinnacle of dramaturgy... Perhaps we could just wait to see the show instead of pre-judging it based on the cast recording or the impressions we got from a promotional video on youtube?
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Post by kathryn on Oct 5, 2018 12:32:03 GMT
Is a plot about a teenage guy who draws cartoons about a superhero coming from outer space (very much à-la-Superman), whose work is selected to be turned into a blockbuster of sorts, where the baddie he created on paper actually comes to chase him in real life one that sits right with you? Mind you, I've enjoyed Eugenius a lot, it's fresh and bubbly and everyone in the cast does an amazing job and it deserves its West End transfer, and we can all do with a few hours of mindless musical fun, but it's not exactly the pinnacle of dramaturgy... I can't see anything morally/ethically dubious about that? And I very much doubt anyone has actually experienced a drawing of a baddie from a comic book come to life, while many have had to deal with bereavement and suicide. The latter are really sensitive subjects for a lot of people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 12:42:13 GMT
I'm not going to put words in anyone's mouth so I'll leave Viserys to actually answer what she meant ....but I think the point she, I and Kathryn above have made was 'well I didn't LOVE this in the recording/bits I've seen, but I'm happy to give it a go now it's coming here and see if I like it'
In fact that's EXACTLY what we all said...?
To borrow from another thread 'what's your damage Heather?' (we're all happy it's happening)
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Post by viserys on Oct 5, 2018 12:43:59 GMT
Are you saying that Jamie and Eugenius are not heavily pop-sounding They might well and I'm generally not a fan of modern pop sounds (I'm old) but I find both Jamie and Eugenius more melodic and catchy than DEH, which often sounds overamplified and just noisy. I can't really put it in words, it's just how I feel about the music. How can you explain why one singer/band appeals to you and another not entirely different singer/band appeals not at all? Jamie also has more "typical" musical sounds, like both of the Mom's big ballads "If I met myself again" and "My Boy" which I both love, and the quiet but oh so lovely "It means beautiful". The only quieter tone I can detect in DEH is - as I mentioned "So Big/So Small" when it's finally just a lovely melody and voice. I've been told that DEH doesn't sound quite so overamplified in the theatre, which is one of the things I want to check on. Another thing is simply that Jamie fells like these typically British small shows that just keep plugging on and do good business based on word of mouth, whereas DEH feels so massively overhyped - I am not saying it's a bad show, I just don't think it deserves the adoration it gets, because there's so much potential for it to be better in the way it tells its story or could polish the music and lyrics. When it comes to Jamie, I simply have no idea how it could be bettered, it's just a little gem as it is. (I'm leaving Eugenius out here, because a) the story is quite different from Jamie and DEH and not half as seriously and b) the music is consciously 80s pastiche, which appeals quite a lot to this 80s gal).
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Post by danb on Oct 5, 2018 13:13:47 GMT
As someone who considered themself quite isolated and lonely as a teenage boy, ‘Dear Evan Hansen’ speaks to me quite a bit. Yes he’s a lying tw@t who doesn’t deserve anyones sympathy, but he is also ‘broken’ and an example of the largest group at risk of suicide. I find large portions of the score to be highly emotional...the rest a bit meh. I’m pleased I can put a date on seeing it rather than it being my next NYC trip.
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Post by cheesy116 on Oct 5, 2018 13:15:13 GMT
I would prefer a straight out of uni casting, since Evan is supposed to be 16. They will probably cast a 'name' for Zoe (I wonder who that will be...**rolls eyes**) and possibly for another one of the roles.
Either way, you can bet I'll be there early on in the run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 13:17:34 GMT
I’ll hopefully be there for a show in the first January if it doesn’t totally sell out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 13:27:20 GMT
Do we think this could go British casting ala Wicked with British accents or British casting ala Hamilton and stick to American accents?! I'd imagine American accents. The thing is, from what I've read, Wicked got away with British accents because Oz is a make believe land, so therefore they could talk in whatever accent and it wouldn't matter. Whereas Evan Hansen is set in America so they will keep it there. I don't know the show well but is there something in the book/score that states it is set in a specific place?
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Post by danb on Oct 5, 2018 14:00:53 GMT
I'd imagine American accents. The thing is, from what I've read, Wicked got away with British accents because Oz is a make believe land, so therefore they could talk in whatever accent and it wouldn't matter. Whereas Evan Hansen is set in America so they will keep it there. I don't know the show well but is there something in the book/score that states it is set in a specific place? I guess all of the stuff about the baseball mitt makes it uniquely American.
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Post by MoreLife on Oct 5, 2018 14:23:50 GMT
I'm not going to put words in anyone's mouth so I'll leave Viserys to actually answer what she meant ....but I think the point she, I and Kathryn above have made was 'well I didn't LOVE this in the recording/bits I've seen, but I'm happy to give it a go now it's coming here and see if I like it' In fact that's EXACTLY what we all said...? To borrow from another thread 'what's your damage Heather?' (we're all happy it's happening) Really, I'm not damaged, Dr Garside. Thanks for checking.
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Post by MoreLife on Oct 5, 2018 14:27:41 GMT
Are you saying that Jamie and Eugenius are not heavily pop-sounding They might well and I'm generally not a fan of modern pop sounds (I'm old) but I find both Jamie and Eugenius more melodic and catchy than DEH, which often sounds overamplified and just noisy. I can't really put it in words, it's just how I feel about the music. How can you explain why one singer/band appeals to you and another not entirely different singer/band appeals not at all? Jamie also has more "typical" musical sounds, like both of the Mom's big ballads "If I met myself again" and "My Boy" which I both love, and the quiet but oh so lovely "It means beautiful". The only quieter tone I can detect in DEH is - as I mentioned "So Big/So Small" when it's finally just a lovely melody and voice. I've been told that DEH doesn't sound quite so overamplified in the theatre, which is one of the things I want to check on. Another thing is simply that Jamie fells like these typically British small shows that just keep plugging on and do good business based on word of mouth, whereas DEH feels so massively overhyped - I am not saying it's a bad show, I just don't think it deserves the adoration it gets, because there's so much potential for it to be better in the way it tells its story or could polish the music and lyrics. When it comes to Jamie, I simply have no idea how it could be bettered, it's just a little gem as it is. (I'm leaving Eugenius out here, because a) the story is quite different from Jamie and DEH and not half as seriously and b) the music is consciously 80s pastiche, which appeals quite a lot to this 80s gal). Thanks, viserys, I truly appreciate your reply. Thanks for helping me see your point, that's exactly what I had hoped for when I made my post. It's so nice when a fellow poster can eloquently share their view and start a constructive exchange of thoughts
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 5, 2018 14:29:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 14:34:28 GMT
I'm not going to put words in anyone's mouth so I'll leave Viserys to actually answer what she meant ....but I think the point she, I and Kathryn above have made was 'well I didn't LOVE this in the recording/bits I've seen, but I'm happy to give it a go now it's coming here and see if I like it' In fact that's EXACTLY what we all said...? To borrow from another thread 'what's your damage Heather?' (we're all happy it's happening) Really, I'm not damaged, Dr Garside. Thanks for checking. Why, why do men feel the need to say 'Dr Garside' in a condescending manner. Yes, that is my title, thanks for using it.
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Post by MoreLife on Oct 5, 2018 15:02:31 GMT
Really, I'm not damaged, Dr Garside. Thanks for checking. Why, why do men feel the need to say 'Dr Garside' in a condescending manner. Yes, that is my title, thanks for using it. Emily, please... don't misread my words. I apologise if my tone sounded condescending, it was not my intention: I must say I did find your comment alleging that there was a "damage" in me slightly offensive, and my response came as a reaction to that. I chose to use "Dr" lightly, the expression I used in my post is the one I would have used to address a medical doctor or a psychologist who would have diagnosed a "damage" in me. (I am not at all familiar with 'Heathers', so apologies for not getting the funny in there, if there was meant to be one). I don't see what this has to do with me being a man. I am sorry you have often encountered unworthy men who have resorted to being condescending with you and belittled your title, but I like to think I am not like them. (And, just as an aside, I happen to have a Ph.D. as well. I may not remind people that I have one, because I feel it does not define who I am and it doesn't even have much to do with what I do for a living, but I have spent enough time in university to obtain the same title you have attained, so why would I ever choose to use it in a condescending manner?). Having said this, and having meant to be a very peaceful attempt at clarifying things, I am more than happy to talk with you privately - we have channels for doing that, and I think it's past time this thread went back to the topic it was created for
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:10:15 GMT
As someone who considered themself quite isolated and lonely as a teenage boy, ‘Dear Evan Hansen’ speaks to me quite a bit. Yes he’s a lying tw@t who doesn’t deserve anyones sympathy, but he is also ‘broken’ and an example of the largest group at risk of suicide. I find large portions of the score to be highly emotional...the rest a bit meh. I’m pleased I can put a date on seeing it rather than it being my next NYC trip. My issue with it is that I think everyone or at least the majority of people feel isolated and lonely at times, especially as a teenager. I remember when the lights came up at the interval (just after You Will Be Found), everyone was sobbing except me, despite it being wonderfully staged. And that's because I felt like I'd just been fed a ton of cliches. I mean, read those lyrics, they're just cliche after cliche after cliche. The questions Evan asks in the first verse 'Have you ever felt...?' etc. yes EVERYONE has felt those things. It's the same with Waving Through a Window which I love as a background song but the lyrics are just cliched nonsense. There's nothing wrong in essence with making a musical to broadly appeal, but I didn't find that there was anything there specific to social anxiety which is what we're told Evan is going through. I've had social anxiety my entire life and not one lyric or sentence spoke to me or that side of me. This is unlike the specificity of shows like Next to Normal that I found aptly portrayed depression (something I have been through) or a show like Fun Home which portrayed something I haven't been through (being closeted). In both cases, it didn't matter whether I'd been through it or not because they were able to portray specific devastating circumstances in a way that made me feel for the characters. I'm not gonna feel for someone who feels down and alone, because to be honest, that's just life, and I saw very little that made it feel specifically like social anxiety. So his lies and wrong actions were even less forgivable for me. I did find So Big / So Small to be the one emotionally effective song/scene of the score because it took something that not everything goes through (raising a child alone) and spoke specifically to that situation. You could almost insert the song You Will Be Found into any musical and have it work, whenever the protagonist is having their moment of feeling alone and not knowing what to do. So Big / So Small is a beautiful, quietly devastating song that would only apply to a handful of famous musical theatre characters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:10:57 GMT
Why, why do men feel the need to say 'Dr Garside' in a condescending manner. Yes, that is my title, thanks for using it. Emily, please... don't misread my words. I apologise if my tone sounded condescending, it was not my intention: I must say I did find your comment alleging that there was a "damage" in me slightly offensive, and my response came as a reaction to that. I chose to use "Dr" lightly, the expression I used in my post is the one I would have used to address a medical doctor or a psychologist who would have diagnosed a "damage" in me. (I am not at all familiar with 'Heathers', so apologies for not getting the funny in there, if there was meant to be one). I don't see what this has to do with me being a man. I am sorry you have often encountered unworthy men who have resorted to being condescending with you and belittled your title, but I like to think I am not like them. (And, just as an aside, I happen to have a Ph.D. as well. I may not remind people that I have one, because I feel it does not define who I am and it doesn't even have much to do with what I do for a living, but I have spent enough time in university to obtain the same title you have attained, so why would I ever choose to use it in a condescending manner?). Having said this, and having meant to be a very peaceful attempt at clarifying things, I am more than happy to talk with you privately - we have channels for doing that, and I think it's past time this thread went back to the topic it was created for Well if you didn't get the original joke, it could have been more productive to ask about that. It's a line from the show and a fairly commonly quoted one from the film, and as there's a lot of chatter about both I assumed most people knew it. No bother if not, but a simple 'I don't get that reference' probably would have cleared it up? I really don't like the 'I don't remind people that I have one' because that implies that I do? On this board I mention it in two specific instances 1. Discussing Angels in America, because it was directly relevant. 2. Occasionally if talking about 'real life' in the appropriate thread, because there is is 'relevant to my life' occasionally. So I don't know why you feel that I 'remind people I have one'...it's on my twitter bio/handle yes, but that's not part of this forum and there are specific reasons for that also. All of which frankly is my own business and not something to be used in an accusatory manner- people here have put 'Dr' in their forum names, do you want to tell them off as well? I've answered this publicly, as I always believe on here we have a 'right of reply' to anything said about us in public. If you have a problem or issue with me to discuss privately you're most welcome to do so.
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Post by MoreLife on Oct 5, 2018 15:21:31 GMT
Emily, please... don't misread my words. I apologise if my tone sounded condescending, it was not my intention: I must say I did find your comment alleging that there was a "damage" in me slightly offensive, and my response came as a reaction to that. I chose to use "Dr" lightly, the expression I used in my post is the one I would have used to address a medical doctor or a psychologist who would have diagnosed a "damage" in me. (I am not at all familiar with 'Heathers', so apologies for not getting the funny in there, if there was meant to be one). I don't see what this has to do with me being a man. I am sorry you have often encountered unworthy men who have resorted to being condescending with you and belittled your title, but I like to think I am not like them. (And, just as an aside, I happen to have a Ph.D. as well. I may not remind people that I have one, because I feel it does not define who I am and it doesn't even have much to do with what I do for a living, but I have spent enough time in university to obtain the same title you have attained, so why would I ever choose to use it in a condescending manner?). Having said this, and having meant to be a very peaceful attempt at clarifying things, I am more than happy to talk with you privately - we have channels for doing that, and I think it's past time this thread went back to the topic it was created for Well if you didn't get the original joke, it could have been more productive to ask about that. It's a line from the show and a fairly commonly quoted one from the film, and as there's a lot of chatter about both I assumed most people knew it. No bother if not, but a simple 'I don't get that reference' probably would have cleared it up? I really don't like the 'I don't remind people that I have one' because that implies that I do? On this board I mention it in two specific instances 1. Discussing Angels in America, because it was directly relevant. 2. Occasionally if talking about 'real life' in the appropriate thread, because there is is 'relevant to my life' occasionally. So I don't know why you feel that I 'remind people I have one'...it's on my twitter bio/handle yes, but that's not part of this forum and there are specific reasons for that also. All of which frankly is my own business and not something to be used in an accusatory manner- people here have put 'Dr' in their forum names, do you want to tell them off as well? I've answered this publicly, as I always believe on here we have a 'right of reply' to anything said about us in public. If you have a problem or issue with me to discuss privately you're most welcome to do so. Again, Emily, I meant there to be no hidden, offensive intentions behind my choice of words. On this board you and another person know that I have a PhD because I've told you privately. I have simply never mentioned it publicly. That was all I meant by my words. However, again, I apologise if my words could be read in a negative way, it was not my intention to hurt or offend. Oh, and my suggestion to talk privately only stemmed from my suspicion that the rest of the board members probably don't care too much about this and would rather go back to talking about theatre, I am all in favour of right of reply as well
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Post by danb on Oct 5, 2018 15:53:24 GMT
As someone who considered themself quite isolated and lonely as a teenage boy, ‘Dear Evan Hansen’ speaks to me quite a bit. Yes he’s a lying tw@t who doesn’t deserve anyones sympathy, but he is also ‘broken’ and an example of the largest group at risk of suicide. I find large portions of the score to be highly emotional...the rest a bit meh. I’m pleased I can put a date on seeing it rather than it being my next NYC trip. My issue with it is that I think everyone or at least the majority of people feel isolated and lonely at times, especially as a teenager. I remember when the lights came up at the interval (just after You Will Be Found), everyone was sobbing except me, despite it being wonderfully staged. And that's because I felt like I'd just been fed a ton of cliches. I mean, read those lyrics, they're just cliche after cliche after cliche. The questions Evan asks in the first verse 'Have you ever felt...?' etc. yes EVERYONE has felt those things. It's the same with Waving Through a Window which I love as a background song but the lyrics are just cliched nonsense. There's nothing wrong in essence with making a musical to broadly appeal, but I didn't find that there was anything there specific to social anxiety which is what we're told Evan is going through. I've had social anxiety my entire life and not one lyric or sentence spoke to me or that side of me. This is unlike the specificity of shows like Next to Normal that I found aptly portrayed depression (something I have been through) or a show like Fun Home which portrayed something I haven't been through (being closeted). In both cases, it didn't matter whether I'd been through it or not because they were able to portray specific devastating circumstances in a way that made me feel for the characters. I'm not gonna feel for someone who feels down and alone, because to be honest, that's just life, and I saw very little that made it feel specifically like social anxiety. So his lies and wrong actions were even less forgivable for me. I did find So Big / So Small to be the one emotionally effective song/scene of the score because it took something that not everything goes through (raising a child alone) and spoke specifically to that situation. You could almost insert the song You Will Be Found into any musical and have it work, whenever the protagonist is having their moment of feeling alone and not knowing what to do. So Big / So Small is a beautiful, quietly devastating song that would only apply to a handful of famous musical theatre characters. Brilliant thanks! You’re calling my teenage angst commonplace and generic, cheers 😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 16:05:53 GMT
What is the dress circle like at the Noel Coward? I think DEH's set is more appreciated from higher up due to the amount of screens they use, and I want to be able to see facial expressions.
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Post by sf on Oct 5, 2018 16:14:18 GMT
There's nothing wrong in essence with making a musical to broadly appeal, but I didn't find that there was anything there specific to social anxiety which is what we're told Evan is going through. I've had social anxiety my entire life and not one lyric or sentence spoke to me or that side of me. This is unlike the specificity of shows like Next to Normal that I found aptly portrayed depression (something I have been through) or a show like Fun Home which portrayed something I haven't been through (being closeted). In both cases, it didn't matter whether I'd been through it or not because they were able to portray specific devastating circumstances in a way that made me feel for the characters. I'm not gonna feel for someone who feels down and alone, because to be honest, that's just life, and I saw very little that made it feel specifically like social anxiety. So his lies and wrong actions were even less forgivable for me. I haven't seen it, but that's more or less exactly what I get from the lyrics/synopsis. The overall impression is of a misguided story that, whatever the show's creators thought they were writing, uses depression and social anxiety as a get-out-of-jail-free card to allow their central character to behave incredibly badly without facing any consequences for it. I don't find the premise uplifting; I'm not at all fond of the types of criticism that ascribe deficiencies in a text to personality faults in the author(s), but this particular plot pushes some buttons for me (I was a very socially awkward teenager myself, and was diagnosed with and treated for depression at that point in my life as well), and I'm afraid I can't shake the impression that anybody who could invent that plot and try to pass it off as "uplifting" or inspirational or in any way positive pretty much has to be a truly disgusting, utterly narcissistic excuse for a human being.
...which means I probably won't be buying a ticket. I find the music attractive - but as I said, this material pushes some buttons for me, and not in a good way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 16:16:21 GMT
What is the dress circle like at the Noel Coward? I think DEH's set is more appreciated from higher up due to the amount of screens they use, and I want to be able to see facial expressions. Every level has a great view in my opinion, I've sat in the back row of the three levels that aren't the stalls and it's a great view, mainly cause of the size of the theatre. Back row of the Stalls is awful. Myself and daniel were sat there for Sixpence and the seats aren't set between the ones in front. We had really tall people in front so we both had to sit on cushions (considering we are both very tall). It was ridiculous but hilarious. But yeah I wouldn't sit there again, purely for comfort 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 16:17:24 GMT
It’s official, 2019 is my favourite already. Whilst there are moral questions surrounding the storyline of DEH it was easily one of the best things I’ve ever seen. Exciting to hear that the cast is to be British, I’d love Rebecca Lock for Heidi Hansen pretty please. Ever since I saw her in Heathers this year I thought she’d be perfect. Keeping everything crossed that the Fun Home rumour is true too. What’s the Fun Home rumour?
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