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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:40:08 GMT
What forms of marketing are most effective in convincing you to go see a show? Is it posters, video trailers, word of mouth, other? I'm interested to know what separates regular theatre goers from others, such as tourists. For me it's mostly word of mouth and seeing or hearing some sort of trailer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:46:05 GMT
As a regular theatre-goer, my schedule gets pretty packed simply by visiting all my favourite haunts and watching out for favourite writers and actors. So the marketing that works best for me is theatres keeping their websites up to date and making sure plenty of info is available. Also I have been known to book shows purely because the theatre emailed me and the blurb sounded interesting, so above all, the blurb is most vital for me. I can love or hate a title, I can know a writer/director/performer or never have heard of them, but the intriguingness of the blurb is - for me at least - what decides whether I'll book a show immediately or leave it until the word of mouth starts to come in. (If you can use those 20-50 words to make your show sound dark or off-kilter, I'm there. If you tend more towards the earnest side, you're more likely to lose me.)
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Post by kathryn on Sept 4, 2017 21:19:42 GMT
Honestly, casting. Often book for stuff based on the cast as soon as it gets announced!
For stuff with no-one I know in it, word of mouth (posts here and reviews) is probably most effective. If it's a musical, hearing the music is effective. I don't want to see video trailers of plays, though.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 4, 2017 22:01:31 GMT
On the whole a show sells on the title. Casting goes a long way to help. Occasionally a really big name director will put bums on seats. But the vast majority of people seem to book on title first.
There are few living writers who can guarantee bums on seats.
There are similarly few new shows that can generate buzz on their own without a name or two attached.
Look at two of the biggest openings in recent years. Book of Mormon and Hamilton sold over here because of the US buzz. Would they have worked over here first?
Fancy graphics and clever videos only take you so far. A known title will always be a good start.
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Post by Mark on Sept 4, 2017 22:13:10 GMT
Word of mouth, or I guess "word on the forum". With my job I'm rarely able to buy tickets in advance unless I have leave, or a few weeks before when I find out my next months rota, and so 90% of my ticket buying is "day of". That also means by the time I get around to seeing something, there's often review on this forum.
I don't think I'd of gone to see Yank if the reviews on here hadn't been so stellar. I almost certainly wouldn't have gone to Dear Evan Hansen Off-Broadway had I not read about it so positively on the Broadwayworld forums. Come From Away went from a "hmm I might try and fit that in" to a "must must see" due to all the positive online praise it was getting.
The opposite is also true. I passed on seeing "Wind in the Willows" after every online review on this forum was average or below,
Next on my to see list is Apologia, and that's mainly because of all the praise on this forum.
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Post by hulmeman on Sept 4, 2017 22:35:22 GMT
Bang on Mark, because of high ticket prices, I often look on here for word of mouth. Of course there are some shows I would see without question, but they are few and far between. Apart from WOM, Subject is my next criteria. Having said that, I am famous for backing none starters. I had a spare afternoon years ago and whittled my choice down to Wicked or Marguerite. I figured that with the writers, Ruthie and Julian in it, Marguerite would run longest. How wrong can you be!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 22:37:49 GMT
First, rumours that have me keeping an eye out for further news, then announcements, either via websites, press releases or emails. Occasionally word of mouth but that's a small percentage.
Things that will make it more likely that I will book are venue, director, theatrical style. Casting is the major element that that I don't really take much notice of. One element that has a great subliminal effect on me is the artwork, get that right and I'm there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 7:05:51 GMT
All of the above plus deals/reasonable pricing. I'll regularly take a punt on something for 20 quid that I wouldn't have considered for 40.
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Post by infofreako on Sept 5, 2017 7:05:57 GMT
Definitely word of mouth for me. Since first joining the old forum I have seen far more theatre than ever before.
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Post by viserys on Sept 5, 2017 7:09:06 GMT
It's a mix for me, depending on the kind of show. My main interest are and have always been musicals. So I'm likely to try and catch all the new "big" musicals in London and some of the fringe shows (with their limited runs it often depends on whether I'm in town at the right time). Though I've become more discerning in the last years and have been giving some shows a miss - mostly family-oriented stuff like "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and now "Wind in the Willows". So musicals don't need much to lure me in as I'm open to pretty much everything.
For plays/dramas, it's a mix of what Baemax calls "the blurb" and casting. For classics like Shakespeare I usually go based on the cast, since these shows tend to come around again and again, so I take my pick based on who's in it. With modern shows, sometimes casting can give me the needed nudge to book something, i.e. I had been mildly interested in "Oslo" but only booked once Toby Stephens was announced for the lead.
Otherwise it's the blurb, when I find a particular topic interesting - for example I'm very interested in shows dealing with today's modern (virtual) reality, the internet, etc., so I went to see "The Nether" and would have loved to see "Killology" except I missed it (but bought the play text instead).
When I'm undecided, this forum is a great help - like now, I wasn't sure whether I should bother with Adrian Mole at the Menier, but since so many people here enjoyed it and told me to go, I did go and enjoyed it a lot.
Classic marketing like posters on the tube, ads in papers or flyers don't really do it for me. Though I appreciate the flyers - I've been collecting them for about 25 years now, so someday I can hopefully use them as wallpaper.
When it comes to tourists, I guess they will base their choices mostly on what they vaguely know/heard about. I've talked to two people from two different countries recently, both typical one-off-tourists in London, and both had gone to see Lion King (and one of them also saw Evita).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 9:40:44 GMT
First, rumours that have me keeping an eye out for further news, then announcements, either via websites, press releases or emails. Occasionally word of mouth but that's a small percentage. Things that will make it more likely that I will book are venue, director, theatrical style. Casting is the major element that that I don't really take much notice of. One element that has a great subliminal effect on me is the artwork, get that right and I'm there. Oh yeah, artwork can also be a big one for me. I decided to see Miss Saigon based purely on artwork.
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Post by rockinrobin on Sept 5, 2017 9:49:18 GMT
Word of mouth, definitely. Forum, friends, but also if my celebrity crush (OK, one of many) tweets about a show he particularly enjoyed... What also draws my attention is casting, of course, but often I'm simply interested in the subject of a play. And oh, the visual side of the production - I went to see "The Nether" simply because I loved the photos (there was also this nice little game on the website of this production, which, albeit rather simple, was quite interesting and different than the usual theatre marketing). Actually, I booked for "The Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" for the very same reason... well, almost. The photo of Jack O'Connell in his birthday suit made me grab a ticket. Sorry, I am a very shallow and weak woman.
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Post by Rory on Sept 5, 2017 15:44:38 GMT
First, rumours that have me keeping an eye out for further news, then announcements, either via websites, press releases or emails. Occasionally word of mouth but that's a small percentage. Things that will make it more likely that I will book are venue, director, theatrical style. Casting is the major element that that I don't really take much notice of. One element that has a great subliminal effect on me is the artwork, get that right and I'm there. Oh yeah, artwork can also be a big one for me. I decided to see Miss Saigon based purely on artwork. I love the whole design element of the marketing - a wonderful vibrant or clever poster for a show really appeals to me.
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Post by Jan on Sept 5, 2017 19:32:06 GMT
Least effective by far for me are those video trailers - self-indulgent pap from wannabe movie directors. I have a soft spot for the Finborough's thousand word closely-typed emails, artfully amateurish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 19:53:37 GMT
First, rumours that have me keeping an eye out for further news, then announcements, either via websites, press releases or emails. Occasionally word of mouth but that's a small percentage. Things that will make it more likely that I will book are venue, director, theatrical style. Casting is the major element that that I don't really take much notice of. One element that has a great subliminal effect on me is the artwork, get that right and I'm there. Oh yeah, artwork can also be a big one for me. I decided to see Miss Saigon based purely on artwork. I used to like the old style NT and RSC posters. The ones from the eighties were especially good, with each seeming like a little work of art. Now they seem bland, each one forgettable after the show is over. I can still remember the NT Guys and Dolls one, and I had the RSC Peter Pan (with Mark Rylance as the boy who wouldn't grow up!) framed and on a wall for years... The Dewynters work for Cameron Mackintosh shows has been pretty iconic too, with all its simple reinventions over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:03:53 GMT
My decision to buy tickets or not tends to be based on casting, my knowledge of the play/playwright, and theatre website's blurbs. For London venues I need to book in advance because of arranging transport, so it tends to be booked before reviews come out. So things I've booked recently have been Follies (based on me liking the other Sondheim I've seen and loving how fab Imelda Staunton is and how fab Alex Young is), Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (based on liking the other Tennessee Williams I've seen and how good Jack O'Connell was in The Nap), Twelfth Night at the RSC (based on the fact that I really like the play, and LOVED the Luscombe/Hess LLL/LLW plays). An exception was Girl from the North Country which I'd been interested in but hadn't booked til I'd seen the clip of Sheila Atim singing, which I fell in love with.
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Post by ali973 on Sept 5, 2017 20:24:26 GMT
Given that my background IS in marketing, and that I consider myself a discerning theatre goer, typical "marketing" tools, especially theatre related, don't really work on me. However, a lot of people here have said things that I consider. Typically all my theatre endeavors focus on musicals, bar a few exceptions.
I normally don't see something that I'm generally not interested in just because someone is in it. I don't specifically worship certain performers as much as I did when I was a teenager, but I do think a lot of them do pick their work nicely, and would certainly test out their new ventures (again, normally musicals only).
What I definitely look into is the creative writing team (music, lyrics, book, in that particular order), and the production team (director, producer, designer, again in that particular order).
One other thing that could push me towards seeing a show is its cast recording, which I normally listen to before seeing the show, if it's around. I normally also get my hands on just about any bootleg (audio) prior to seeing a show I'm generally interested in or if there's major buzz around it.
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Post by bee on Sept 6, 2017 6:30:02 GMT
These days more often than not the first place I hear about a new production will be on this board, then I’ll look it up on the theatre website or wherever to get more information.
Whether I actually go to see something or not is initially based on the play itself. My tastes are fairly conservative so in general I’m way more likely to be interested in something by Shakespeare/Ibsen/Miller/etc. than a new play, and if it’s a work that I haven’t seen before then I’ll almost definitely try to see it no matter who’s in it or where it’s being done. Hence in these cases the marketing isn’t a factor at all, I’ve made the decision to go before I’ve even seen a poster or a brochure.
I will often end up going to see new plays, though, if there’s someone in the cast I want to see or if the subject matter seems interesting, so I guess for these cases the marketing plays more of a part in my decision process though I can’t really think of a situation where I’ve looked at a poster or preview and consciously thought “I have to see that”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:14:54 GMT
Giving this a bump to commend AKA (again) on their social media interactions and promotional work on Company. It's been some of the best I've seen for a production and obviously working well given the interaction and way seats are selling.
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Post by crowblack on Feb 12, 2019 14:29:41 GMT
Now they seem bland, each one forgettable after the show is over. They are awful! And it's so surprising, given that the London Underground is such a potentially great showcase for poster art. Photoshop did a good job killing it off for a generation, as digital music killed off record sleeve art, but there are some really interesting young illustrators doing their own posters on Etsy and things, so the talent is out there. The RSC posters from the 80s are fantastic: I've got Ralph Steadman's Mother Courage and great one for Mephisto by a Polish poster artist in my collection.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:47:38 GMT
Now they seem bland, each one forgettable after the show is over. They are awful! And it's so surprising, given that the London Underground is such a potentially great showcase for poster art. Photoshop did a good job killing it off for a generation, as digital music killed off record sleeve art, but there are some really interesting young illustrators doing their own posters on Etsy and things, so the talent is out there. The RSC posters from the 80s are fantastic: I've got Ralph Steadman's Mother Courage and great one for Mephisto by a Polish poster artist in my collection. Not that I particularly agree or otherwise with the attributed comment but the quoted post is from the deleted account of caiaphas. Quoting and snipping does that sometimes, something to do with how it deals with the tags.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:58:13 GMT
I generally book based on:
1. Who is in it? Is it someone I like from the telly? 2. Is there a hottie in the cast? 3. Is there nudity from the mens? 4. Is there a tap routine?
Quite frankly, I'm easily pleased so if the marketing ticks at least one of those boxes then I'm likely to be sucked in. Oh and there we are, back to number 2 again. Fnar.
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Post by bobbybaby on Feb 12, 2019 17:49:10 GMT
I generally book based on: 1. Who is in it? Is it someone I like from the telly? 2. Is there a hottie in the cast? 3. Is there nudity from the mens? 4. Is there a tap routine? Quite frankly, I'm easily pleased so if the marketing ticks at least one of those boxes then I'm likely to be sucked in. Oh and there we are, back to number 2 again. Fnar. Agreeing with you there generally. I was particularly pleased to to see My Night With Reg at The Donmar and - having an aisle seat - literally had Julian Ovendens talent right under my nose. Generally book on writer, actor (back in the day Barbara Jeffords involvement meant quality to me, whatever she was in), venue (RNT in the Hytner days) - got mistaken for a member of staff once as I was there so often and sometimes if it just sounded plain weird - (Royal Court - Over There - Harry and Luke Treadaway throwing food at each other in their pants. It’s art I tell you )
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Post by Playbill99 on Feb 15, 2019 17:31:05 GMT
Artwork is a massive thing for me, then word of mouth.
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