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Post by shady23 on Oct 30, 2019 18:23:49 GMT
Notices up in theatre today saying Universal are filming tonight's performance!
(likely the reason JOJ's shows were changed this week!)
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Post by danb on Oct 30, 2019 18:45:53 GMT
Notices up in theatre today saying Universal are filming tonight's performance! (likely the reason JOJ's shows were changed this week!) Great news. A couple of these performances are career best. Some are not. |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 30, 2019 23:19:10 GMT
If they are filming, I'd want a 2 disc pack, with both Valjean versions recorded. I'd like a limited edition 360 degree "Cosette's eye" view of the show. And a singalong virtual karaoke extra with a live app that scores you "X Factor" style. And a special Hallowe'en meets Thriller version of "Do you fear the people sing?" I wonder if any of them will happen... |
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Post by digne on Oct 31, 2019 11:46:59 GMT
I saw someone who claims to work at the Gielgud say that they were filming for a trailer last night which will be released on Friday, and that the Staged Concert will get a cinema screening by Universal in December.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 12:32:30 GMT
Saw this for the second time on Monday, first time was JOJ, this time Alfie.
Is a great version of the show - deffo the best concert version, beating Albert Hall (TERRIBLE venue for musicals) and O2 hands down I'd say.
Alfie was fine. Sure I prefer JOJ and agree he's the definitive JVJ. But do feel the gulf between them has been exaggerated somewhat. I agree Alfie's acting isn't the best but he does have a fantastic strong voice. And in a world where it's become the norm to cast people who can't even sing in musicals, that's gotta be a good thing.
The fan clubs were in but from row A aisle it was all behind me so didn't trouble me much.
Though 4 people in front row arrived and all but pints of alcohol down on stage as they arranged themselves. Usher had to ask THREE times for them to remove them as the kept saying they would but after they'd sorted their coats and bags of sh**e. I mean honestly!
Anyway, do wonder if there is a further life for this concert version....
A fantastic evening.
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Post by Being Alive on Oct 31, 2019 15:48:30 GMT
Just picked up a standing ticket for Tuesday night. Saw JOJ in September, and be glad to see Alfie's take - it wont be as good, but we won't hear the score played this fully or sung this well for quite a while I wouldn't think - and for £17.50 you can't really go wrong.
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Post by tonylony on Oct 31, 2019 20:52:18 GMT
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Post by Dave25 on Oct 31, 2019 21:21:57 GMT
This HAS to be filmed with John Owen Jones. That would make it a true gem for generations to come. Please do not film this with Boe again, he is already on the 25th anniversary filmed version and this would add nothing to this recording and to the quality of the show for that matter. |
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Post by shady23 on Oct 31, 2019 22:04:08 GMT
It has already been filmed.
Alfie was always going to make the DVD and rightly so, he plays the lead role.
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Post by miz on Oct 31, 2019 22:05:53 GMT
WHAT!!!!!  |
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Post by shady23 on Oct 31, 2019 22:07:21 GMT
Actually, if they were filming yesterday and today they could have a problem. Just seen JOJ'S tweet
Matt Lucas off with the lurgy too and hoping to be back tomorrow.
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Post by miz on Oct 31, 2019 22:24:27 GMT
Not preserving JoJ@JVJ for posteriry in a video recording is a crime, especially considering his current form.
I may offend someone by saying this but another video of AB in Les Miz pretending he is the definitive JVJ makes me feel very indignant and even sick althogh it is not his fault. Greedy CM strikes again. He really doesn't care about quality, does he?
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Post by shady23 on Oct 31, 2019 22:37:09 GMT
What/who is the definitive JVJ though?
Everyone has their own thoughts.
I'd vote for Killian, personally.
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Post by djdan14 on Oct 31, 2019 23:42:24 GMT
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Post by djdan14 on Oct 31, 2019 23:42:54 GMT
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Post by Dr Tom on Nov 1, 2019 8:31:34 GMT
"Live" into cinemas - so does that mean there's an additional show on December 2nd (which is a Monday)?
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Post by miz on Nov 1, 2019 8:51:04 GMT
In opera and ballet, it can never happen. For example, Micheal Flately was a great dancer in his own field, but even if he is better known by the general public than, say, Johnathan Cope, no one in the ballet world would cast him as the prince in Swan Lake let alone broadcast live.
But obviously, show biz is all about money, and therefore, the general public never learn what the real MaCoy looks and sounds like, never aquire good taste. I may sound arrogant, but that's my honest opinion.
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 1, 2019 9:35:54 GMT
So will the december 2nd show be broadcast live or the filmed shows from yesterday?
I pray to god that the camera's were still rolling yesterday when JOJ was on. Even if it's only for a technical rehearsal recording, just as they did with Jekyll & Hyde back in the day, there are 2 recordings now, one with David Hasselhof and one with Rob Evan.
So what would happen if AB is sick during the recordings (as he was now) or sick again on december 2nd (which is possible)? Is there a chance that JOJ will feature in the recording then? I mean, people are replaced all the time last minute, look at Cosette in the 25th anniversary concert or Carlotta in Phantom 25th.
If JOJ is in it I will definitely go to the cinema and buy the dvd/blu ray. If Alfie is in it again, I will definitely not. I find the 25th concert dvd completely unwatchable because of it. He performs like a wet newspaper and sang like a 1 trick pony. Why on earth would I spend money on that again? This could be the chance to have a good Les Mis recording after the 10th anniversary one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:08:01 GMT
People seem to be making out JOJ is hard done by here. But when it comes to Les Mis, he certainly hasn't been overlooked. He's played the role countless times in London (I first saw him as Valjean over 20 years ago); he's closed the Broadway production twice; recreated the role for the new version, including a run in the Barbican; played the role on tour and across the world; been recorded in an almost complete live recording of the show; and was part of the Valjean quartet at the O2. I suspect CamMack regards him as the definitive Valjean - plus he has the stamina and is reliable - which is why after 20+ years, he's still playing the role.
But he's not recognised outside the theatre scene in the same way Alfie Boe is. Nor has he the same fan base as Alfie Boe and Michael Ball as a duo. To be honest, I'm not even sure this concert version would have happened, let alone another live cinema broadcast, if it hadn't been for the BoeBall casting. You can complain that it's all about money, but if they've made it possible for this amazing cast to be broadcast live, with an album/DVD to follow, then I'm very grateful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:15:05 GMT
People seem to be making out JOJ is hard done by here. But when it comes to Les Mis, he certainly hasn't been overlooked. He's played the role countless times in London (I first saw him as Valjean over 20 years ago); he's closed the Broadway production twice; recreated the role for the new version, including a run in the Barbican; played the role on tour and across the world; been recorded in an almost complete live recording of the show; and was part of the Valjean quartet at the O2. I suspect CamMack regards him as the definitive Valjean - plus he has the stamina and is reliable - which is why after 20+ years, he's still playing the role. But he's not recognised outside the theatre scene in the same way Alfie Boe is. Nor has he the same fan base as Alfie Boe and Michael Ball as a duo. To be honest, I'm not even sure this concert version would have happened, let alone another live cinema broadcast, if it hadn't been for the BowBall casting. You can complain that it's all about money, but if they've made it possible for this amazing cast to be broadcast live, with an album/DVD to follow, then I'm very grateful. Amen! As I said upstream I am definitely Team JOJ but people seriously need to understand that the concert may well not have happened at all without "Ball&Boe." And I do believe the gulf between them is being wildly exaggerated. OK he's not the best JVJ, but Boe has a fine singing voice and does not distract from the whole experience the way the Jonas brother did for example.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 10:20:16 GMT
So what would happen if AB is sick during the recordings (as he was now) or sick again on december 2nd (which is possible)? Is there a chance that JOJ will feature in the recording then? I mean, people are replaced all the time last minute, look at Cosette in the 25th anniversary concert or Carlotta in Phantom 25th I suspect there will be a pre-recorded back-up version. A lot of people will be going to the cinema to see Alfie Boe and Michael Ball. I imagine CamMack would rather a pre-recorded version with them both, than a live version without one of them. Most people wouldn't have known anything about the last minute changes to Cosette and Carlotta. |
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Post by 141920grm on Nov 1, 2019 11:21:07 GMT
I may be making quite a few enemies saying this but: at this point Cammack might as well advertise the livestream as "Ball & Boe: Frenemies in Costume!"
Subtitled: "Accompanied by a filler cast of backup singers with tragic backstories and other personal conflicts to last for 3 hours"
I would argue that Alfie does distract, no matter how good his singing voice is (debatable- I find it generic and lacking in control, with overdone vibrato) his complete absence of acting and emotion makes him stick out like a sore thumb, even making his character less believable, especially when everyone else onstage is making the most of the concert staging limitations and getting some subtle acting in, rather than just singing the right notes while getting their blocking right.
A recorded CD I wouldn't mind as it spares me from having to witness the glaring contrast, but a film, especially of the concert version, won't be doing any favours for Alfie's reputation as an actor. Before you cry, "but this is a concert version, what did you expect?!" The Les Mis fanbase is certainly larger and demographically more varied than the Ball/Boe fanbase. Trusting the Ball/Boe fanbase to fill up seats at the Gielgud for 4 months- fine, that is a reasonable business decision. Recording the concert and beaming it to audiences nation-wide- I'd expect half of them would like to see a semblance of the Les Mis story as well as hearing the songs, and to me Alfie just isn't able to bring the story to life as well as JOJ does. Unless Cammack is 100% relying on the Ball/Boe fanclub to help this strand of Les Mis live on.... to which I can only say: what a huge missed opportunity to capture a terrific-sounding, 99% well-cast moment for Les Mis history.
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Post by 141920grm on Nov 1, 2019 11:31:24 GMT
Also, Alfie being frequently "off sick" has been a regular occurrence even during his Broadway run. I read on this forum (or elsewhere?) that perhaps his voice just isn't up for the singing this demanding role 5x a week. Added to that his tendency to overcommit to other events probably requires him to take more time off to rest his voice, in order to perform well in those other one-off shows. So I would dare to venture that these frequent absences aren't all down to poor health...
There, I've said my piece. Go on, rip me to shreds.
(I certainly mean no offence. Everyone's vocal stamina is different, and I respect that.)
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Post by 141920grm on Nov 1, 2019 12:42:51 GMT
okay, this basically confirms there will be a live performance on Monday the 2nd. Wonder how ticketing will go for this... Surely Cammack will want to include lots of cheering/clapping/standing ovation audience shots
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 1, 2019 12:58:16 GMT
I think that Cammack seriously underestimates the brand that Les Mis is. This is not a project to gratify some neighing British housewives, but this is a document for theatre history. A filmed version is supposed to have a long life. It should still sell 5/10/20 years from now. This is supposed to be a worldwide document.
It is also hugely disrespectful to have such a big gap in quality and to not care about it. JOJ's performance might be one of the greatest in theatre history and what do we get? A one trick pony, a volatile domestic showbizz hype, who doesn't give the material, the notes, the writing or the music ANY nuance/color/emotion that is so very much needed for this part, who sings the whole show on 1 volume, in my humble opinion he sounds like a frog with a chastity belt, who has ruined a concert recording of the same material already.....
What will people think in 100 years from now?
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