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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 13:13:57 GMT
Welcome to the internet, I guess! Wherever there are people communicating via the written word, there'll always be a few people pointing out errors rather than making actual contributions to the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 13:25:26 GMT
Not an arguement at all, just a discussion.
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Post by Snciole on Apr 11, 2017 14:45:15 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations. Hardly. No-one is entitled to a nomination. It's rather childish to thank people for their "support" in this tough time. He needs to get over himself! He's been nominated before, and I'm sure he'll get nominated again. To be so vocally disappointed is wholly ungracious and rather insulting to the other nominees. As for Sixpence not being invited to perform - of course it wasn't invited. It wasn't nominated! He blocked me on Twitter, for no reason whatsoever* so I am glad he wasn't nominated. The all-white controversy meant this was never going to Half a Sixpence's year. SOLT do not want #olivierssowhite trending and the choice in winners reflects that they were aiming for a very diverse show this year, whether they chose the right winners as a result is debatable. *I am kind of annoying but I genuinely know eff all about choreography to have slagged him off so...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
I do wish we could live in a world where people don't feel the need to speculate every time a person of colour wins an award over whether they deserve it or whether it was done because of diversity measures. Sometimes they do genuinely create excellent work and deserve it folks!
Everyone that votes for awards has their own reasons and the likelihood that everyone that voted for Amber or Adam or Noma did so because they want to prove the Oliviers are diverse is pretty minimal.
To be blunt, the Oliviers aren't the Oscars. They're not even the Tonys. Any controversy over white nominees or winners would be pretty minimal and likely only acknowledged in theatre circles.
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Post by Snciole on Apr 11, 2017 15:38:06 GMT
I do wish we could live in a world where people don't feel the need to speculate every time a person of colour wins an award over whether they deserve it or whether it was done because of diversity measures. Sometimes they do genuinely create excellent work and deserve it folks! Everyone that votes for awards has their own reasons and the likelihood that everyone that voted for Amber or Adam or Noma did so because they want to prove the Oliviers are diverse is pretty minimal. To be blunt, the Oliviers aren't the Oscars. They're not even the Tonys. Any controversy over white nominees or winners would be pretty minimal and likely only acknowledged in theatre circles. I love Noma so will never doubt her ability to win anything and I haven't seen the other two, though the impression I got from some was that Amber is the new Martine McCutcheon I think Oliviers are right to acknowledge BME performers, with shows like Motown, Kinky Boots and Dreamgirls in the running but equally as good as Half a Sixpence is it was always going to be judged for not being diverse enough. I was one of many who wrote about the sudden but subtle emergence of all white, large cast shows (Promises, Promises was another) and it made people very uncomfortable because they had got used to seeing diverse and colour blind productions. I suspect Oliviers didn't want to be subject to an article from The Stage et al if it awarded Half a Sixpence anything. TL, DR; Politics, it is all politics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:45:28 GMT
Hardly. No-one is entitled to a nomination. It's rather childish to thank people for their "support" in this tough time. He needs to get over himself! He's been nominated before, and I'm sure he'll get nominated again. To be so vocally disappointed is wholly ungracious and rather insulting to the other nominees. As for Sixpence not being invited to perform - of course it wasn't invited. It wasn't nominated! He blocked me on Twitter, for no reason whatsoever* so I am glad he wasn't nominated. The all-white controversy meant this was never going to Half a Sixpence's year. SOLT do not want #olivierssowhite trending and the choice in winners reflects that they were aiming for a very diverse show this year, whether they chose the right winners as a result is debatable. *I am kind of annoying but I genuinely know eff all about choreography to have slagged him off so... Sixpence's "snub" had nothing to do with the casting controversy. The show isn't good enough and SOLT voters did not enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:46:13 GMT
I do wish we could live in a world where people don't feel the need to speculate every time a person of colour wins an award over whether they deserve it or whether it was done because of diversity measures. Sometimes they do genuinely create excellent work and deserve it folks! Everyone that votes for awards has their own reasons and the likelihood that everyone that voted for Amber or Adam or Noma did so because they want to prove the Oliviers are diverse is pretty minimal. To be blunt, the Oliviers aren't the Oscars. They're not even the Tonys. Any controversy over white nominees or winners would be pretty minimal and likely only acknowledged in theatre circles. I love Noma so will never doubt her ability to win anything and I haven't seen the other two, though the impression I got from some was that Amber is the new Martine McCutcheon I think Oliviers are right to acknowledge BME performers, with shows like Motown, Kinky Boots and Dreamgirls in the running but equally as good as Half a Sixpence is it was always going to be judged for not being diverse enough. I was one of many who wrote about the sudden but subtle emergence of all white, large cast shows (Promises, Promises was another) and it made people very uncomfortable because they had got used to seeing diverse and colour blind productions. I suspect Oliviers didn't want to be subject to an article from The Stage et al if it awarded Half a Sixpence anything. TL, DR; Politics, it is all politics. I'm just not sure that the specific snubs that people are mainly referring to would be a natural occurence stemming from the lack of diversity. The two main complaints Sixpence fans have is that the choreographer didn't get nominated and Charlie Stemp didn't win. Why would they punish the choreographer or Charlie, both of whom I assume had nothing to do with casting? And it's not like Charlie's award didn't go to another white man.
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Post by djp on Apr 11, 2017 15:51:07 GMT
These awards are increasingly meaningless these days. Certainly I am not in favour of "spreading the awards around" - if one particular production deserves to sweep the board - so be it. I have not seen the Harry Potter play so cannot comment on this specifically. However, what I will say is, it seems that if a production (or film)takes off - it just runs away with everything - La La Land is another recent example. So if you are lucky enough to be involved in the trendy thing at the moment you win, even if you are just sweeping the stage. I suspect it will be the same with Hamilton next year - all the cast and creatives will get nominated and win. Everyone else might as well not turn up! It is ridiculous really! Awards made by a few luvvies will tend to follow a pattern - a few genuinely stand out performances, a gong for the top stablished luvvie who plays every role the same ,a nomination for any returning super luvvie, a bit of ethnic diverity to avoid bad press, ,and a veto for anything where there's some issue thats publically known about- regardless of whatever happened brilliantly, and who else was off more.. Something that looks trendy and PC, will get a gong, even if there's already been about 5 musicals on recently, doing the same thing, tapping the same small talent pool.Then you add the compulsory show hardly anyone saw to show you are with it, and dedicated. . And if someone else is pencilled in for a win in a competitive category, a big show is likely to get a nod for someone else- even if they only appear for a few minutes. Awards by the public of course depend on fan base, organised support, there not being two candidates from the same show , where its on ,and how many people saw it. We might as well all give our own medals - so - Billie - yes, yes, yes - Glenn for something truly putstanding ,and they should have forgotten the nudity issue, and awarded Ian and Emma the musical awards last year- for Mrs Henderson, not for trying their best - with what little the writers give anyone to do in half a sixpence.
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Post by Snciole on Apr 11, 2017 15:52:26 GMT
The problem is Half a Sixpence has had constant reviews saying how amazing it is from (sycophantic) critics. Of course, it expected not only to be nominated for everything but to win a lot as well. There is a sense of entitlement and who can blame them but as I said before I can't help but feel the controversy surrounding the show didn't help it when it came to the Oliviers plus the fact people thought other shows were better
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Post by The Matthew on Apr 11, 2017 16:22:28 GMT
How did an awards thread turn into an argument about spelling and grammar? It's more remarkable that it managed to stay on topic for so long.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 17:29:25 GMT
Was the Half a Sixpence white controversy really that big an issue? Lets be realistic, it was discussed on here a little bit, but it was hardly a national scandal. I think the reason it was shut out was because there was alot of confusion as to whether it was revival or new musi al so people voted in both and it ended up missing out as it splitthe vote. And as for Choreography, it was a year where they had to get Harry Potter in every catagory, thats probably why it got shut out. It has nothing to do with white people.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 17:35:27 GMT
I was one of many who wrote about the sudden but subtle emergence of all white, large cast shows (Promises, Promises was another) and it made people very uncomfortable because they had got used to seeing diverse and colour blind productions. I suspect Oliviers didn't want to be subject to an article from The Stage et al if it awarded Half a Sixpence anything. I'd hardly call it a sudden emergence. Most of the shows I've loved & repeat-viewed in the last few years have had all white casts, as far as I can recall: Lend Me A Tenor, Crazy For You, Top Hat, Zorro (admittedly many of the cast were Hispanic but I'd still consider that white) and the original casts of all 3 Mischief Theatre shows. None of those, as far as I recall, had any mention let alone criticism for having all white casts so I don't see why Half A Sixpence got slated for the same thing.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 11, 2017 17:55:22 GMT
'Should have,' not 'should of.' You need to be mindful of that one. I understand you're just trying to correct my grammar so don't feel I am directing this at you personally, but it annoys me when grammar gets picked up on so much, to a point where it makes people feel like crap for not getting the smallest thing right. I went to school, clearly I didn't do well. But I'm an adult, and as long as generally speaking people understand what I am saying, I couldn't care less if I get the odd wording here or there wrong. But I don't want to and shouldn't be made to feel like crap for that. Again, don't feel this is aimed at you personally, just having a rant haha. On that point, I know there are one or two specific grammar police in the admin (and they know who they are) who complain about it alot on here. You guys have the power to edit posts, if it bothers you that much, just edit the damn thing, I wouldn't noticeid you edited mine at all. Um, no. Not really. Some admin team members have contributed to discussions about it. They are entitled to an opinion but we are not 'policing' grammar on here, we have not initiated discussions about it and to suggest that we have is disingenuous. If you want to have a row about it with the person who called you out, feel free. Don't bring Admin into it. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:05:44 GMT
Oooo Sophie Louise-Dann really is the face of botox isn't she! Not just the character, but herself!
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 19:09:42 GMT
Oooo Sophie Louise-Dann really is the face of botox isn't she! Not just the character, but herself! I was too busy wondering what she had done to her hair! What is ITV doing with the sound of this broadcast? Jason Manford is louder than the entire cast of The Girls.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 11, 2017 19:12:14 GMT
Jason Manford doesn't half go on doesn't he...
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 19:13:48 GMT
"Even treat yourself to a trip to London's West End." Doesn't that just reinforce the sterotype that people should only go to the theatre occasionally?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:20:16 GMT
I will warn you guys, at the start of Amber's speech she says "I play Effie White every night" and almost spat out my tea when I heard it last night.
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Post by Mark on Apr 11, 2017 19:24:16 GMT
Oooo lovely advert for The Girls.
Im guessing they are skipping some of the technical awards since it skipped straight to Best Play.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 19:29:22 GMT
Surely they can't be showing these awards in order? Because if so they have left out literally half the awards. Assuming the list on the Oliver website is in order of presentation, which as far as I can remember from Twitter on Sunday it is, then Best Actress was number 1 & Best New Play number 14 out of 26 awards.
Amber Riley is doing nothing for me. I guess I'm fine to continue not to see Dreamgirls then.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 11, 2017 19:32:53 GMT
Such a dull event so far.
Do they even want to attract new audiences to the theatre?
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 19:40:38 GMT
I'm guessing The Red Shoes is rather more interesting seen in the theatre in full? Nothing about the except just shown really screamed Best Choreography.
So, is everone else too glued to the Olivers to post or are there only about 5 of us actually bothering to watch?
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Post by viserys on Apr 11, 2017 19:46:14 GMT
I'm being beaten by the timezone again. I followed the first half on the radio and Twitter on Sunday, then went to bed. Now I'm watching on ITV but again I feel I rather crawl into bed and hope it's still around as a stream tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 19:49:09 GMT
And I WAS going to book to see the return of JCS this year.
Maybe not now....
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 11, 2017 19:49:41 GMT
If they have any chance of making the Oliviers on tv rise above tedium, they are going to have to broadcast it live, it isn't in the slightest bit worth watching it when the winners were announced 2 days previous. It also looks cheap as chips.
How can they get it so wrong year after year? I've had the mispleasure of sitting through many ceremonies live and it's just as boring in the room.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 19:51:51 GMT
And I WAS going to book to see the return of JCS this year. Maybe not now.... Yup. So far the performances have mostly put me off/justfied me not going to the shows featured.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 11, 2017 19:53:04 GMT
So all in all it's a success then? It's actively putting people (who like theatre) off going to the theatre.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 11, 2017 19:56:24 GMT
Decisions, decisions. Do I stick with this of turn over to BBC1 and watch Car Share with Peter Kay followed by Victoria Wood? Think the beeb has won.
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 11, 2017 20:01:46 GMT
I'm only hanging on to see the Groundhog Day performance & possibly see The Comedy About a Bank Robbery lose the Best New Comedy Olivier, if ITV even bothers to show that award.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 11, 2017 20:02:04 GMT
Well, that "be inspired" section has possibly left me feeling the most uninspired I have ever been in my life.
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