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Post by stagebyte on Dec 11, 2018 9:48:57 GMT
Carrie Hope Fletcher on Instagram revealing the fate of her character (with specific details) in War of The Worlds then chastising a fan (with long post) for crying ‘spoiler’
Her reason? How can it be a ‘spoiler’ when the source book is 120 years old (her character doesn’t appear in the book) also most people having decided to see WOTW would be ‘interested enough’ to have done research by either listening to the concept album or reading the book.
She really doesn’t like to be criticised in even a mild way does she?
Felt sorry for the fan who had neither read the book or listened to the album and in my opinion had a right to voice her thoughts without a speech from CHF and a pile on from her fans. WOTW probably not on every teen’s reading list nor concept albums from the 70s on their Spotify playlist.
Just wondering how others feel about spoilers?
I personally prefer going in with no knowledge and was dismayed recently when someone went out of their way to reveal the ending to Miss Saigon’ to my teen a day before taking him. I’d seen it (and Madam Butterfly) several times before - he had not and neither were on his radar prior to the show. The element of surprise surely makes theatre magical. #keepthesecrets
Wasn’t sure whether to put this in the WOTW, Carrie Hope Fletcher, general chat, bad behaviour thread 🙃
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 10:00:12 GMT
I love spoiling things for myself, because if I know what's coming, I find it easier to concentrate on and appreciate what I'm watching. The keywords, though, are "for myself". Just because I like to have the option to hunt out the details for myself doesn't mean it's therefore fair game for people to spoil things *for* me. You can talk around plot points without revealing them to people who weren't expecting to see plot points thrown into their path without having to go somewhere specifically to look for them.
I once got told off for spoiling plot details of Edward IV's reign. In fairness, this was while The White Queen was being aired on TV, but I wasn't talking about the TV show, I was talking about 500+ years ago history... but nonetheless, I didn't shout at the woman, I quickly apologised and changed the subject (and laugh about the situation behind her back, but that's it).
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Post by kathryn on Dec 11, 2018 10:13:21 GMT
There's always someone who hasn't seen something yet, and there's only so far you can go in avoiding spoilers - general advice with anything that is old when using the internet is to proceed at your own risk!
Having said that, if you're following the star of the show - who knows that they've been cast to bring in a younger audience who may not be familiar with the original - you do expect a little discretion around spoilers. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Post by lynette on Dec 11, 2018 15:27:08 GMT
I think I’m immune to spoilers because my grandmother always told you the end of the film she had seen. I know what happens at the end of Hamlet and that doesn’t spoil every new production for me. I always check the Strictly spoiler as it makes the dramatic irony so good. I love detective stories though and would be annoyed if someone told me the ending before say three quarters through when I’d already worked it out anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:00:15 GMT
I think the fuss people make over spoilers far outweighs the distress they supposedly cause. As a result of moderating this forum I went to watch one of the Star Wars films already knowing that Han Solo was going to get killed and who was going to do it, and it neither put me off seeing the film nor ruined my enjoyment of it.
More generally, most people would agree that if something is really good then it's worth multiple visits in order to get the most out of it (and I'd argue that if a single visit is all that's needed to get everything you're ever going to get out of a show, film or book then it probably isn't that great in the first place). Spoilers aren't a problem there. Nobody refuses to watch a favourite film a second time because they know how it ends. There are a very limited number of cases where an author goes to great effort to lay down a false trail and it'd nice to give the first-time audience the chance to experience the surprise as it was supposed to be experienced, but some people treat "anything that happens" as a life-ruining spoiler and that's rather ridiculous.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 11, 2018 17:22:52 GMT
I do agree - and I believe there is research showing that spoilers don’t, actually, spoil people’s enjoyment of something that is otherwise good.
But I do always get a kick out of being in an audience of a Shakespeare play with someone who doesn’t know what’s going to happen, and hearing that surprise reaction. It’s delightful to hear the gasp, feel the shock running through a newbie Audience. It definitely adds to the experience!.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:25:55 GMT
Look someone on here still hasn't forgiven me for talking about the ending of Miss Saigon...
I personally don't get how spoilers ruin it for people, but I also think there's a degree of if it's older than a year or more, it's kinda on you to protect your own bubble.
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Post by stagebyte on Dec 11, 2018 19:47:25 GMT
Seems such a long time ago when the ending of The Sixth Sense was a genuine twist and people made bets on Who Shot Jr with genuinely no clue 😂 people do love to share what they know now and the internet....Twitter is no go when Tv Programmes are screened in the US first.
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 11, 2018 19:58:13 GMT
I love detective stories though and would be annoyed if someone told me the ending before say three quarters through when I’d already worked it out anyway. I usually check the ending of detective stories first to find out whodunnit. I hate it if I really like a character then they turn out to be guilty, so it's safer checking first.
I always look up the plot before I decide whether to go to a play/musical/opera I haven't seen before. I'm very squeamish & want to make sure I'm not letting myself in for anything too gruesome/unpleasant. Of course with brand new pieces it's not possible to do this so, having been caught out by The Light Princess (I did check the plot of the book but the musical was nothing like) & having had a panic attack in the middle of the NT, I'm now quite wary about seeing new pieces.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 21:11:58 GMT
I do agree - and I believe there is research showing that spoilers don’t, actually, spoil people’s enjoyment of something that is otherwise good. But I do always get a kick out of being in an audience of a Shakespeare play with someone who doesn’t know what’s going to happen, and hearing that surprise reaction. It’s delightful to hear the gasp, feel the shock running through a newbie Audience. It definitely adds to the experience!. I think you’re right. IF the story is strong and the storytelling too, you can still enjoy. Where you can get spoiled is reality TV and competitions. Even though reality TV is now mature enough to have its own set of rules, there is rarely an honest to goodness shock (Double elimination! No one goes! Elimination twist!) but the lack of story telling means you are really only watching it to see who goes out and how. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Dec 11, 2018 21:57:19 GMT
I can't join in with the spoilers-aren't-a-problem tone of the above comments, mainly because of the pleasure of discovery I've experienced from so many films, plays and books. I realise people are saying if I'd known reveals in advance I'd still enjoy those works, just maybe in a different way; and yes I do re-watch/re-read things so obviously knowing the story doesn't prevent that.
But I want the chance to discover everything about the story for myself and the particular enjoyment of that, regardless of the assurances of research and other people that spoilers wouldn't affect that enjoyment. An example is the film Arrival. I knew in a general way it revolved around aliens coming to Earth and that it wasn't a standard invasion scenario. That's all I knew about it. The buzz I got from the gradual realisation of what was actually going on was a huge part of why it's one of my favourite films of the last decade. Every instinct tells me I wouldn't have that buzz if I'd known in advance. Yes yes, I'd enjoy it in other ways, it's a good film for various reasons. But I'd have been sorry to not have that slow-dawning pleasure.
I'm also a bit of a dimwit concerning plots, I'm very slow on the uptake so I'm the perfect recipient for twists and reveals.
To be clear, spoilers haven't caused me "distress", I've been irritated by them but I've survived! But on balance I prefer being a blank canvas.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 11, 2018 23:30:15 GMT
The thread title is uncannily correct - Show Spoiler and add Carrie Hope Fletcher for good measure.
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Post by Dr Tom on Dec 11, 2018 23:40:19 GMT
I think the fuss people make over spoilers far outweighs the distress they supposedly cause. As a result of moderating this forum I went to watch one of the Star Wars films already knowing that Han Solo was going to get killed and who was going to do it, and it neither put me off seeing the film nor ruined my enjoyment of it. More generally, most people would agree that if something is really good then it's worth multiple visits in order to get the most out of it (and I'd argue that if a single visit is all that's needed to get everything you're ever going to get out of a show, film or book then it probably isn't that great in the first place). Spoilers aren't a problem there. Nobody refuses to watch a favourite film a second time because they know how it ends. There are a very limited number of cases where an author goes to great effort to lay down a false trail and it'd nice to give the first-time audience the chance to experience the surprise as it was supposed to be experienced, but some people treat "anything that happens" as a life-ruining spoiler and that's rather ridiculous. And I was looking forward to watching that Star Wars film! This isn’t a film forum, stick to spoiling theatrarical performances.  |
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Post by mistressjojo on Dec 12, 2018 0:22:01 GMT
I'll never forget being told off by a woman in the queue to see Titanic at the cinema for talking to my friend about the ship sinking, and apparently spoiling the story for her. I think she lived in a cave, on the moon. With her fingers in her ears.  |
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Post by d'James on Dec 12, 2018 0:30:30 GMT
I always try to avoid Spoilers and listening to the music before seeing a show. Same with films.
It’s funny because I love the Strictly spoiler. I guess it’s because it’s only a day in advance.
I guess it depends if it’s fiction or not and when I’m likely to see it or not.
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