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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 10, 2019 0:21:45 GMT
And, although I don’t want to be ‘that’ person, and whilst I’m very happy to watch the Brit Crew showing the outline of their genitals in the flimsiest of underwear, I feel compelled to ask why is that ok on the bbc? If they were women it would most certainly not be allowed. I know RPDR as a program doesn’t work without this element of sexual content/objectification which is why I expressed some concern about whether it would work at the top of the thread. The double standards are off the scale though. It's not on the BBC, it's hidden away like some shameful thing on Iplayer...something I STRONGLY disagree with. What is the point of paying for franchise fees etc, if it is just hidden away online? I actually wish a commercial network or Netflix picked it up, at least they'd get a prize for all their hard work. The BBC have been extremely right wing for the last 5 years or so, I'm shocked they even picked it up in the first place. It's little more than filling a quota for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 1:09:13 GMT
And, although I don’t want to be ‘that’ person, and whilst I’m very happy to watch the Brit Crew showing the outline of their genitals in the flimsiest of underwear, I feel compelled to ask why is that ok on the bbc? If they were women it would most certainly not be allowed. I know RPDR as a program doesn’t work without this element of sexual content/objectification which is why I expressed some concern about whether it would work at the top of the thread. The double standards are off the scale though. It's not on the BBC, it's hidden away like some shameful thing on Iplayer...something I STRONGLY disagree with. What is the point of paying for franchise fees etc, if it is just hidden away online? I actually wish a commercial network or Netflix picked it up, at least they'd get a prize for all their hard work. The BBC have been extremely right wing for the last 5 years or so, I'm shocked they even picked it up in the first place. It's little more than filling a quota for them. Well, if C4 can have a naked dating show - where contestants are introduced with genitals before faces - I’m sure the BBC can squeeze in a 5 minute segment about guessing the kind of underwear someone is wearing. RPDRUK has over 6.5 million requests on iPlayer across the first 5 episodes, so I disagree it’s hidden away or just filling a quota. The target audience doesn’t need this to be on broadcast TV because that’s not how they consume all of their TV anymore. The BBC have recently announced their intention for iPlayer to become a major player in the streaming market, with a complete overhaul and an increase viewing period of 12 months (Ofcom only recently approved the increase, up from the previous cap of 30 days). Ever since BBC3 went online only, iPlayer has been the debut home for quite a lot of shows anyway. I’ve also enjoyed the varying episode lengths too, which aren’t sticking to the standard 58 minutes... a perk of being free of a schedule I suppose. Anyway, I think this first season can be considered a brilliant success for the BBC. If we compare initial ratings (based on place of first broadcast) the UK version is getting more views than it’s US parent show’s latest season too. The real test will be how season two does, which I actually think will have a larger viewership. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 10, 2019 2:59:59 GMT
Well, if C4 can have a naked dating show - where contestants are introduced with genitals before faces - I’m sure the BBC can squeeze in a 5 minute segment about guessing the kind of underwear someone is wearing. RPDRUK has over 6.5 million requests on iPlayer across the first 5 episodes, so I disagree it’s hidden away or just filling a quota. The target audience doesn’t need this to be on broadcast TV because that’s not how they consume all of their TV anymore. The BBC have recently announced their intention for iPlayer to become a major player in the streaming market, with a complete overhaul and an increase viewing period of 12 months (Ofcom only recently approved the increase, up from the previous cap of 30 days). Ever since BBC3 went online only, iPlayer has been the debut home for quite a lot of shows anyway. I’ve also enjoyed the varying episode lengths too, which aren’t sticking to the standard 58 minutes... a perk of being free of a schedule I suppose. Anyway, I think this first season can be considered a brilliant success for the BBC. If we compare initial ratings (based on place of first broadcast) the UK version is getting more views than it’s US parent show’s latest season too. The real test will be how season two does, which I actually think will have a larger viewership. I think they've said it'll get a linear run after the iPlayer run finishes, probably the late night post news slot on BBC One. Given they've promoted it like mad with promos and billboards, it's been anything but hidden away. |
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Post by vdcni on Nov 10, 2019 10:50:46 GMT
How is it being on iPlayer and advertised regularly on BBC1 being hidden away but being on Netflix isn't. They are both streaming platforms and iPlayer has more users than Netflix.
BBC News may have swung rightwards in recent years, though many would disagree with that, but that doesn't mean the entire BBC is, you don't push a programme that much just to fill a quota.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 10, 2019 19:55:08 GMT
Well, if C4 can have a naked dating show - where contestants are introduced with genitals before faces - I’m sure the BBC can squeeze in a 5 minute segment about guessing the kind of underwear someone is wearing. That’s different because, as I understand it, both men and women are featured on that programme. Both sexes are objectified equally. The point I was making was about the fact that a show that focussed on female genitalia, or breasts, purely for entertainment or titillation even as just a 5 minute segment absolutely would not make it on the bbc. So why is it ok for men to be used that way? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:20:05 GMT
That’s different because, as I understand it, both men and women are featured on that programme. Both sexes are objectified equally. The point I was making was about the fact that a show that focussed on female genitalia, or breasts, purely for entertainment or titillation even as just a 5 minute segment absolutely would not make it on the bbc. So why is it ok for men to be used that way? Women have been objectified for years in the name of entertainment. Look at the wealth of TV makeover shows, diet shows and dating shows over the last two decades. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 10, 2019 22:26:08 GMT
Is there a difference if you know you are there to be objectified and happily consent to that rather than that being a by-product of what you have been asked to do?
Is being complicit in the Brit/Pit Crew joke enough to avoid the change of objectification?
Is being a parody of the sort of exploitation seen elsewhere sufficient?
Is it wrong that Diet Coke adverts have quite frequently used the male form to help sell their drink?
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 11, 2019 19:57:25 GMT
These segments have been in the series for at least the last 10 seasons.
Yes it's tacky, tasteless and embarrassing, but it's a part of the 'format' which has never ever changed even slightly and has long been a part of the 'brand'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 23:29:48 GMT
Women have been objectified for years, and now to balance that, its time for the men to get their kit off  I'm not complaing and they were all padded out anyway. Even the BBC wouldnt dare to show sny hint of what was really below. At least it wasnt that dreadful Andrew Christian underwear they flog on the US version. |
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Post by deej4life on Nov 14, 2019 11:22:56 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 14:06:41 GMT
So who do think goes tonight? Cheryl’s my pick.
It has been quite a straight-forward path to the final. Any chance of a surprise return from anyone tonight?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 14:22:00 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls! I don't think they ever could or would. ROI isn't technically in the UK? And its hosted on the BBC, do ROI pay into the BBC? |
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Post by Paul on Nov 14, 2019 17:48:36 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls! I don't think they ever could or would. ROI isn't technically in the UK? And its hosted on the BBC, do ROI pay into the BBC? They had a Canadian queen on until a few episodes ago so I'd say it will happen eventually. |
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 14, 2019 18:08:07 GMT
WTF is an ROI?
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Post by Paul on Nov 14, 2019 18:15:40 GMT
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 14, 2019 18:24:12 GMT
LOL oh sorry! I thought it was something to do with Rupaul hahaha I'm was thinking Rupaul's Old something. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2019 18:36:22 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls! I don't think they ever could or would. ROI isn't technically in the UK? And its hosted on the BBC, do ROI pay into the BBC? It isn’t in any way in the UK, technically or otherwise! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 19:23:33 GMT
And we wonder why the referendum was such a farce.
Wanting to see someone from the ROI on UK Drag Race is like wanting to see someone from Andorra on it.
However, I’m sure Cheryl Hole would find a good use for the backstop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:56:30 GMT
In fairness the UK has many TV talent shows that have contestants born in countries so I don’t see the problem in someone from ROI applying for RPDRUK. Hasn’t the US version had contestants from outside the US?
The rules probably state you have to be a UK resident, but I doubt it says you have to be a British National.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 23:11:12 GMT
In fairness the UK has many TV talent shows that have contestants born in countries so I don’t see the problem in someone from ROI applying for RPDRUK. Hasn’t the US version had contestants from outside the US? The rules probably state you have to be a UK resident, but I doubt it says you have to be a British National. Puerto Rico regularly, although slightly different because it’s a US territory. Australia once. The UK, once (and as tonight proves, British Queens can lipsynch, Charlie.) Canada in the last season, but in hindsight that might have been to prepare the world for RPDRCan. I’m fairly sure I am going to sound like Priti Patel if I begin to explain why UK Drag Race won’t have an ROI Queen and instead say that I think that anyone from any EU country should be allowed to be on the show, who cares what it’s called? Because that would be nicer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 0:15:09 GMT
I really wanted Cheryl to go through to the final. I think she has been a great contestant and has really grown on me over this season. It was a tough lipsynch to call, but i still think Cheryl did it better. But then she has no badges and maybe that went against her.
I felt sorry for Bagga's mum on the runway. JUST. SHUT. UP.
I love Michaela Coel.
Davina for the win!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 7:54:30 GMT
In fairness the UK has many TV talent shows that have contestants born in countries so I don’t see the problem in someone from ROI applying for RPDRUK. Hasn’t the US version had contestants from outside the US? The rules probably state you have to be a UK resident, but I doubt it says you have to be a British National. Puerto Rico regularly, although slightly different because it’s a US territory. Australia once. The UK, once (and as tonight proves, British Queens can lipsynch, Charlie.) Canada in the last season, but in hindsight that might have been to prepare the world for RPDRCan. I’m fairly sure I am going to sound like Priti Patel if I begin to explain why UK Drag Race won’t have an ROI Queen and instead say that I think that anyone from any EU country should be allowed to be on the show, who cares what it’s called? Because that would be nicer. If you have a legitimate reason then by all means share it. But thinking British contestants should only be reserved for British nationals is probably not a valid reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 8:12:46 GMT
Well it stems from me making a mistake and thinking that when you said an ROI Queen, you meant someone who lives and works in the ROI. I didn’t leave space for an ROI Queen who’s part of the UK scene.
Given that Crystal has been on this season, we’ve already seen someone who fits the case I wasn’t thinking about.
I’m angry about Brexit and the fact that very soon we’ll have fewer people from Europe on any of our shows/in our lives/streets/workplaces. After taking part in this conversation, I don’t care where contestants are from as long as they are part of the scene and are showing the world our drag.
Also, thanks for suggesting I’m a racist. Can anyone remind me how the blocking someone thing works on here?
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Post by frosty on Nov 15, 2019 12:45:13 GMT
I think this has been an excellent season, even the judges seem to be having a lot more fun than the last few US seasons, it's been a breath of fresh air. I was surprised the BBC has commissioned it for another season, given how popular it has been, I would have thought it would have been snapped up by a commercial broadcaster and filled with product placement and big cash prizes. I'm glad it's staying with the beeb, makes it feel a bit more British.
I did laugh last night when the mothers/sisters were brought on:
US drag race: (through tears and hand waving): "oh my God mother, you are just so awesome, you gave me life and you are an inspiration to me and I love you so much"
UK drag race: "I hope you've shaved your minge mother!"
Love it!
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Post by theatremadness on Nov 15, 2019 13:11:50 GMT
Wrong decision for sure this week! Would’ve liked to have seen Cheryl in the top 3, she seems really down to earth. The edit was not good on Baga this week, she was the worst in the challenge but I did actually think her lip sync was a touch better than Cheryl, so maybe that was it, but still a surprise based on her edit this week, but it’s probably better for the show to have 3 such big personalities in the final so I understand. And at the end of the day it’s an entertainment show so it’s really not the end of the world. Loved this series and can’t wait for the next one. Davina or Vivienne to win for me!
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I'm not complaing and they were all padded out anyway. Even the BBC wouldnt dare to show sny hint of what was really below. 
