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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Nov 7, 2019 22:12:29 GMT
Kind of disappointed by today's episode after last week. It was a bit of a mess and the Divina and Vivienne drama was very repetitive and totally unnecessary. The whole episode seemed to setting up a storyline of Divina getting over her need for validation but it was never realised and she still seemed bothered by it in the untucked section and I found it irritating which is disappointing since she's probably my favourite. Also Baga is really skating by on very little and it's a bit annoying. Her looks have been pretty bad (didn't mind last week's but that's about the only decent one) and I don't think she's as funny as they claim - very repetitive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 22:59:15 GMT
Well I was not right about Cheryl. She’s out next week, surely? Bit sad about tonight’s result, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 23:16:03 GMT
I thought Blu's make up was fantastic on the runway.
Vivien's VT's are annoying. She's too full of her self and telling Cheryl to not do Essex was sabotage, especially since she then went on to be a scouse housewife, which is basically playing herself.
Final 2 will be Bagga, Davina and Vivien. I would like Davina to win the crown
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 8:33:23 GMT
I’ve never watched the US version but I am enjoying this so will probably go check them out. My biggest frustration though is the inconsistency with the judging. The critique is all over the place, as is the choice on who gets to live another episode. Especially Michelle - I only know her from Big Brother, but she’s always negative, comes across as a know it all and in this latest episode, a total cow because Cheryl dares disagree with her: god forbid someone else has another point of view!
Can’t stand The Vivienne (an excess of faux confidence masking a lot of insecurity) or Baga (who frankly only seems to be surviving because their drag is quintessentially traditional British drag). I hope Davina wins, though I don’t necessarily like her either - Cheryl Hole would be my winner at this point, but she doesn’t stand a chance does she?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 10:04:42 GMT
I’ve never watched the US version but I am enjoying this so will probably go check them out... Cheryl Hole would be my winner at this point, but she doesn’t stand a chance does she? Yeah, not a chance. You might like to start at season five, it’s a classic season, and you’ll meet Alyssa Edwards. You’ll then see when Cheryl has taken about 78% of her moves and mannerisms from. One thing I’ve thinking about is how much more open the UK show is about gay sex. The US is so puritanical, RPDR has always been very sanitised, which I accepted, but seeing the UK show highlights that. The idea that Brooklyn and Vanessa was the first ‘relationship’ and shown with a couple of chaste kisses. Compare that to all the comments about Cheryl’s battered hole (and even the kiss at the end of Bake Off!)
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Post by Deal J on Nov 8, 2019 13:29:19 GMT
I was sad to see Blu go, and although I think she was better than Cheryl in the different rounds, Cheryl was far better in the lip-synch. But then she's had plenty of practice with that song, no doubt!
Very impressed however that Blu got this far given her relative lack of experience. She definitely made a big impression.
I couldn't bear it when Baga seemed to give up during the untucked segment. Hopefully the narrow escape will put a fire up her arse for next week! I think it'll be between The Vivienne and Divina. Hoping for Divina to win, but I suspect The Vivienne will get the crown. Her runway lok last night was spot on.
A little theatre link last night too - one of the Brit Crew was Nico Wirachman, who was in recently in the ensemble for Aladdin and will soon be in the same for Prince of Egypt. I never saw Aladdin, but I'm a huge fan of Nico's instagram page...!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 17:46:58 GMT
I am so sick of Vivienne. She does look great, I cant deny that. But her attitude has stunk since the beginning. I dont know if its the scouse accent or what? But I just dont get a nice vibe off of her. And I have heard clips of her singing live aaaand OUCH. She had alot of help from technology in the singing challenge.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 9, 2019 7:34:10 GMT
I can’t stand Baga either.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 9, 2019 21:11:09 GMT
And, although I don’t want to be ‘that’ person, and whilst I’m very happy to watch the Brit Crew showing the outline of their genitals in the flimsiest of underwear, I feel compelled to ask why is that ok on the bbc? If they were women it would most certainly not be allowed.
I know RPDR as a program doesn’t work without this element of sexual content/objectification which is why I expressed some concern about whether it would work at the top of the thread.
The double standards are off the scale though.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 10, 2019 0:18:05 GMT
I’ve never watched the US version but I am enjoying this so will probably go check them out... Cheryl Hole would be my winner at this point, but she doesn’t stand a chance does she? Yeah, not a chance. You might like to start at season five, it’s a classic season, and you’ll meet Alyssa Edwards. You’ll then see when Cheryl has taken about 78% of her moves and mannerisms from. One thing I’ve thinking about is how much more open the UK show is about gay sex. The US is so puritanical, RPDR has always been very sanitised, which I accepted, but seeing the UK show highlights that. The idea that Brooklyn and Vanessa was the first ‘relationship’ and shown with a couple of chaste kisses. Compare that to all the comments about Cheryl’s battered hole (and even the kiss at the end of Bake Off!) I don't like Alyssa Edwards at all and yet I like Cheryl, I know a lot of people are comparing them, but I don't get it. Alyssa is fake AF, I don't find Cheryl like that at all. She doesn't deserve to win, nor does she have a hope of doing it, but she is good entertainment (as was Alyssa, but only because of her feud with Coco and others) and seems like a genuinely nice person. Alyssa while very professional in her role is like a psychiatrists dream, she's insane!
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 10, 2019 0:21:45 GMT
And, although I don’t want to be ‘that’ person, and whilst I’m very happy to watch the Brit Crew showing the outline of their genitals in the flimsiest of underwear, I feel compelled to ask why is that ok on the bbc? If they were women it would most certainly not be allowed. I know RPDR as a program doesn’t work without this element of sexual content/objectification which is why I expressed some concern about whether it would work at the top of the thread. The double standards are off the scale though. It's not on the BBC, it's hidden away like some shameful thing on Iplayer...something I STRONGLY disagree with. What is the point of paying for franchise fees etc, if it is just hidden away online? I actually wish a commercial network or Netflix picked it up, at least they'd get a prize for all their hard work. The BBC have been extremely right wing for the last 5 years or so, I'm shocked they even picked it up in the first place. It's little more than filling a quota for them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 1:09:13 GMT
And, although I don’t want to be ‘that’ person, and whilst I’m very happy to watch the Brit Crew showing the outline of their genitals in the flimsiest of underwear, I feel compelled to ask why is that ok on the bbc? If they were women it would most certainly not be allowed. I know RPDR as a program doesn’t work without this element of sexual content/objectification which is why I expressed some concern about whether it would work at the top of the thread. The double standards are off the scale though. It's not on the BBC, it's hidden away like some shameful thing on Iplayer...something I STRONGLY disagree with. What is the point of paying for franchise fees etc, if it is just hidden away online? I actually wish a commercial network or Netflix picked it up, at least they'd get a prize for all their hard work. The BBC have been extremely right wing for the last 5 years or so, I'm shocked they even picked it up in the first place. It's little more than filling a quota for them. Well, if C4 can have a naked dating show - where contestants are introduced with genitals before faces - I’m sure the BBC can squeeze in a 5 minute segment about guessing the kind of underwear someone is wearing. RPDRUK has over 6.5 million requests on iPlayer across the first 5 episodes, so I disagree it’s hidden away or just filling a quota. The target audience doesn’t need this to be on broadcast TV because that’s not how they consume all of their TV anymore. The BBC have recently announced their intention for iPlayer to become a major player in the streaming market, with a complete overhaul and an increase viewing period of 12 months (Ofcom only recently approved the increase, up from the previous cap of 30 days). Ever since BBC3 went online only, iPlayer has been the debut home for quite a lot of shows anyway. I’ve also enjoyed the varying episode lengths too, which aren’t sticking to the standard 58 minutes... a perk of being free of a schedule I suppose. Anyway, I think this first season can be considered a brilliant success for the BBC. If we compare initial ratings (based on place of first broadcast) the UK version is getting more views than it’s US parent show’s latest season too. The real test will be how season two does, which I actually think will have a larger viewership.
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Post by Jon on Nov 10, 2019 2:59:59 GMT
Well, if C4 can have a naked dating show - where contestants are introduced with genitals before faces - I’m sure the BBC can squeeze in a 5 minute segment about guessing the kind of underwear someone is wearing. RPDRUK has over 6.5 million requests on iPlayer across the first 5 episodes, so I disagree it’s hidden away or just filling a quota. The target audience doesn’t need this to be on broadcast TV because that’s not how they consume all of their TV anymore. The BBC have recently announced their intention for iPlayer to become a major player in the streaming market, with a complete overhaul and an increase viewing period of 12 months (Ofcom only recently approved the increase, up from the previous cap of 30 days). Ever since BBC3 went online only, iPlayer has been the debut home for quite a lot of shows anyway. I’ve also enjoyed the varying episode lengths too, which aren’t sticking to the standard 58 minutes... a perk of being free of a schedule I suppose. Anyway, I think this first season can be considered a brilliant success for the BBC. If we compare initial ratings (based on place of first broadcast) the UK version is getting more views than it’s US parent show’s latest season too. The real test will be how season two does, which I actually think will have a larger viewership. I think they've said it'll get a linear run after the iPlayer run finishes, probably the late night post news slot on BBC One. Given they've promoted it like mad with promos and billboards, it's been anything but hidden away.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 10, 2019 10:50:46 GMT
How is it being on iPlayer and advertised regularly on BBC1 being hidden away but being on Netflix isn't. They are both streaming platforms and iPlayer has more users than Netflix.
BBC News may have swung rightwards in recent years, though many would disagree with that, but that doesn't mean the entire BBC is, you don't push a programme that much just to fill a quota.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 10, 2019 19:55:08 GMT
Well, if C4 can have a naked dating show - where contestants are introduced with genitals before faces - I’m sure the BBC can squeeze in a 5 minute segment about guessing the kind of underwear someone is wearing. That’s different because, as I understand it, both men and women are featured on that programme. Both sexes are objectified equally. The point I was making was about the fact that a show that focussed on female genitalia, or breasts, purely for entertainment or titillation even as just a 5 minute segment absolutely would not make it on the bbc. So why is it ok for men to be used that way?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:20:05 GMT
That’s different because, as I understand it, both men and women are featured on that programme. Both sexes are objectified equally. The point I was making was about the fact that a show that focussed on female genitalia, or breasts, purely for entertainment or titillation even as just a 5 minute segment absolutely would not make it on the bbc. So why is it ok for men to be used that way? Women have been objectified for years in the name of entertainment. Look at the wealth of TV makeover shows, diet shows and dating shows over the last two decades.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 10, 2019 22:26:08 GMT
Is there a difference if you know you are there to be objectified and happily consent to that rather than that being a by-product of what you have been asked to do?
Is being complicit in the Brit/Pit Crew joke enough to avoid the change of objectification?
Is being a parody of the sort of exploitation seen elsewhere sufficient?
Is it wrong that Diet Coke adverts have quite frequently used the male form to help sell their drink?
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 11, 2019 19:57:25 GMT
These segments have been in the series for at least the last 10 seasons.
Yes it's tacky, tasteless and embarrassing, but it's a part of the 'format' which has never ever changed even slightly and has long been a part of the 'brand'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 23:29:48 GMT
Women have been objectified for years, and now to balance that, its time for the men to get their kit off I'm not complaing and they were all padded out anyway. Even the BBC wouldnt dare to show sny hint of what was really below. At least it wasnt that dreadful Andrew Christian underwear they flog on the US version.
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Post by deej4life on Nov 14, 2019 11:22:56 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 14:06:41 GMT
So who do think goes tonight? Cheryl’s my pick.
It has been quite a straight-forward path to the final. Any chance of a surprise return from anyone tonight?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 14:22:00 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls! I don't think they ever could or would. ROI isn't technically in the UK? And its hosted on the BBC, do ROI pay into the BBC?
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Post by Paul on Nov 14, 2019 17:48:36 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls! I don't think they ever could or would. ROI isn't technically in the UK? And its hosted on the BBC, do ROI pay into the BBC? They had a Canadian queen on until a few episodes ago so I'd say it will happen eventually.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 14, 2019 18:08:07 GMT
WTF is an ROI?
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Post by Paul on Nov 14, 2019 18:15:40 GMT
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 14, 2019 18:24:12 GMT
LOL oh sorry! I thought it was something to do with Rupaul hahaha I'm was thinking Rupaul's Old something.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2019 18:36:22 GMT
I hope they bring a ROI queen on the show, would be great to see some representation of my local girls! I don't think they ever could or would. ROI isn't technically in the UK? And its hosted on the BBC, do ROI pay into the BBC? It isn’t in any way in the UK, technically or otherwise!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 19:23:33 GMT
And we wonder why the referendum was such a farce.
Wanting to see someone from the ROI on UK Drag Race is like wanting to see someone from Andorra on it.
However, I’m sure Cheryl Hole would find a good use for the backstop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:56:30 GMT
In fairness the UK has many TV talent shows that have contestants born in countries so I don’t see the problem in someone from ROI applying for RPDRUK. Hasn’t the US version had contestants from outside the US?
The rules probably state you have to be a UK resident, but I doubt it says you have to be a British National.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 23:11:12 GMT
In fairness the UK has many TV talent shows that have contestants born in countries so I don’t see the problem in someone from ROI applying for RPDRUK. Hasn’t the US version had contestants from outside the US? The rules probably state you have to be a UK resident, but I doubt it says you have to be a British National. Puerto Rico regularly, although slightly different because it’s a US territory. Australia once. The UK, once (and as tonight proves, British Queens can lipsynch, Charlie.) Canada in the last season, but in hindsight that might have been to prepare the world for RPDRCan. I’m fairly sure I am going to sound like Priti Patel if I begin to explain why UK Drag Race won’t have an ROI Queen and instead say that I think that anyone from any EU country should be allowed to be on the show, who cares what it’s called? Because that would be nicer.
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