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Post by horton on Jul 5, 2019 18:07:24 GMT
I don't.
So can we now recognize that this director is not only the emperor with no clothes, but that his gifts are very small?
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Post by edi on Jul 5, 2019 19:30:17 GMT
I believe there are several seats marked as this at the Palladium. Loaded onto my site now (they were there, just hidden for some reason) anyway, stalls C25, I15, I29, K31, L16 to18, N32, P1, P48, Q1, Q16, R49 and S 34 are wider than average. The boxes for this should be pretty good as the stage is wider than usual. Ones further from the stage have the better angle. the theatre website says boxes are restricted due to lighting. Anyone sat in the boxes and can give feedback? |
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Post by waybeyondblue on Jul 5, 2019 19:58:03 GMT
I think the pictures look amazing. And have the advantage of being silent and sometimes free of the ubiquitous SS Norman Wisdom. |
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 5, 2019 19:59:36 GMT
I don't. So can we now recognize that this director is not only the emperor with no clothes, but that his gifts are very small? He does seem to have carved out a reputation as being to the “go to” man if you want a cheap knockoff production. |
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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 5, 2019 20:37:57 GMT
Will there be a trailer for the production or photos only?
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2019 20:39:23 GMT
Just seen that alece10 was looking for my review of this mess...well,here it comes...
This is lowest-common denominator MT.
A pointless dung-heap of a show.
Cheap and nasty in every way possible.
Sheridan...OMG...embarrassing,smug and unfunny...laughing all the way to the bank,but ‘money for old rope’ comes to mind...
JD....hopeless...gone to seed
Jac...good but no better than half the people who have played it on the BK tours over the decades.
Ensemble...bizarre directorial ideas render them ridiculous.
Set....naff!
Worst thing I have ever seen at the Palladium!
Minus 10 out of 5.
NB....must declare an interest...have directed this as an am-dram in the past and it is meant to be a joyful,exuberant,life-affirming show with some moments of great emotion and power....All sold down the river in this version for a farrago of shoddy rubbish imo.
And that is my review...
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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 5, 2019 20:43:45 GMT
Just seen that alece10 was looking for my review of this mess...well,here it comes... This is lowest-common denominator MT. A pointless dung-heap of a show. Cheap and nasty in every way possible. Sheridan...OMG...embarrassing,smug and unfunny...laughing all the way to the bank,but ‘money for old rope’ comes to mind... JD....hopeless...gone to seed Jac...good but no better than half the people who have played it on the BK tours over the decades. Ensemble...bizarre directorial ideas render them ridiculous. Set....naff! Worst thing I have ever seen at the Palladium! Minus 10 out of 5. NB....must declare an interest...have directed this as an am-dram in the past and it is meant to be a joyful,exuberant,life-affirming show with some moments of great emotion and power....All sold down the river in this version for a farrago of shoddy rubbish imo. And that is my review... You liked it then? |
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2019 20:47:03 GMT
Loved it...like I love root canal work lol.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 5, 2019 21:27:36 GMT
I keep seeing the term LCD / lowest common denominator used on this forum to describe production values. Who are the snobs to determine what the lowest common denominator is, and why the fudge shouldn't the "LCD" be catered for? I saw this show last week and thought it was great. I'd see it again. I was brought up watching classical theatre, and if I wasn't Anna Karenina then I'll look for it. The Joseph audience by and large have a great time and the kill joys are nowhere to be seen. Its an exuberant production, certainly not perfect, but the snidey carping about the director/cast on this forum gives a greater insight into the writers' mindsets than the production itself.
The best thing about Joseph is the orchestra/band, which probably proves the strength and longevity of the source material above anything else.
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2019 21:31:45 GMT
^.....if I wasn’t Anna Karenina,then I’ll look for it...someone translate please???
Also,snobs? In what way? I wrote a review...take it or leave it...agree or disagree...who cares?It’s not a personal thing,just a review.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 21:36:42 GMT
I keep seeing the term LCD / lowest common denominator used on this forum to describe production values. Who are the snobs to determine what the lowest common denominator is, and why the fudge shouldn't the "LCD" be catered for? I saw this show last week and thought it was great. I'd see it again. I was brought up watching classical theatre, and if I wasn't Anna Karenina then I'll look for it. The Joseph audience by and large have a great time and the kill joys are nowhere to be seen. Its an exuberant production, certainly not perfect, but the snidey carping about the director/cast on this forum gives a greater insight into the writers' mindsets than the production itself. The best thing about Joseph is the orchestra/band, which probably proves the strength and longevity of the source material above anything else. Who are you to determine what standards people should set though? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, including what they consider constitutes the "lowest common denominator", if they choose to use that phrase, and that includes people who hate a production for whatever reason! It's not snobbery, it's personal opinion, the whole point of a forum. Some people are becoming far too quick to jump on anyone who dares to voice any negativity around here, and it really does sometimes make me think twice about posting for fear of being torn apart for daring to dislike something! It's getting a bit much lately... |
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2019 21:40:04 GMT
Well said, poster j, totally agree...if we can’t voice opinions what is the point of this forum.In this case,alece10 ACTUALLY wanted to see my review so I posted it.
Not saying I know any better than anybody else...I am just one person with my own opinion,that’s it!
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Post by chernjam on Jul 5, 2019 22:01:28 GMT
Just seen that alece10 was looking for my review of this mess...well,here it comes... This is lowest-common denominator MT. A pointless dung-heap of a show. Cheap and nasty in every way possible. Sheridan...OMG...embarrassing,smug and unfunny...laughing all the way to the bank,but ‘money for old rope’ comes to mind... JD....hopeless...gone to seed Jac...good but no better than half the people who have played it on the BK tours over the decades. Ensemble...bizarre directorial ideas render them ridiculous. Set....naff! Worst thing I have ever seen at the Palladium! Minus 10 out of 5. NB....must declare an interest...have directed this as an am-dram in the past and it is meant to be a joyful,exuberant,life-affirming show with some moments of great emotion and power....All sold down the river in this version for a farrago of shoddy rubbish imo. And that is my review... You liked it then? Pianowithsam won the internet today |
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Post by chernjam on Jul 5, 2019 22:12:01 GMT
all this talk of Joseph and being stuck in atrocious traffic today gave me the opportunity to listen to the full recording of Joseph for the first time in a long time. Amazon music had quite a number of recordings - but interestingly the Soundtrack version with Donny Osmond, Richard Attenborough, Joan Collins and Maria Freidman wasn't available anywhere (and didn't seem available for purchase... so glad I found it when I finally got home today)
Anyway - it reminded me of 1 - what a real gem of a score this really is;
2 - the '91 revivals really worked - the score was cleaned up and updated and I don't remember it being incredibly opulent
3 - the 91 revival was a good balance of kids and adults in it - the idea of the Narrator being a school teacher for the kids really was a good way of tying things together. I don't particularly want to see Joseph - school of rock edition. I get it, I get it... kids are the future and all.. but there's a way of integrating them without forcing it too much
4 - it's strange that the Joseph for this production is not "the star." I listened to Michael Damian (who was a Soap Opera star in the US so was very popular when he starred in Los Angeles and then NY) and then switched to Donny Osmond halfway through... it's hard to believe they went with focusing on the narrator and Pharaoh.
5 - and to follow up on #4 - I've yet to read anyone who said Jason Donovan was a good singer. Listening to the score, yeah it's a minor role, but the Song of the King and Stone the crows - you need to hit some notes and really deliver it to make it work.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 5, 2019 22:15:01 GMT
I keep seeing the term LCD / lowest common denominator used on this forum to describe production values. Who are the snobs to determine what the lowest common denominator is, and why the fudge shouldn't the "LCD" be catered for? I saw this show last week and thought it was great. I'd see it again. I was brought up watching classical theatre, and if I wasn't Anna Karenina then I'll look for it. The Joseph audience by and large have a great time and the kill joys are nowhere to be seen. Its an exuberant production, certainly not perfect, but the snidey carping about the director/cast on this forum gives a greater insight into the writers' mindsets than the production itself. The best thing about Joseph is the orchestra/band, which probably proves the strength and longevity of the source material above anything else. Who are you to determine what standards people should set though? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, including what they consider constitutes the "lowest common denominator", if they choose to use that phrase, and that includes people who hate a production for whatever reason! It's not snobbery, it's personal opinion, the whole point of a forum. Some people are becoming far too quick to jump on anyone who dares to voice any negativity around here, and it really does sometimes make me think twice about posting for fear of being torn apart for daring to dislike something! It's getting a bit much lately... I'm not up for an argument about it - just sick of the lowest common denominator nonsense which implies some kind of superiority. Don't be so dainty and precious about the right to express an opinion, as I'm just expressing mine. You just happen to disagree. Which is fine. Ya melt. |
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Post by xanady on Jul 5, 2019 22:20:38 GMT
melt in slang means ‘idiot’...how charming!
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Post by carmella1 on Jul 5, 2019 22:21:26 GMT
I saw the 2007 production and thought it was very good, aside from King of My Heart. I did not see the 91 production. That was almost 30 years ago. But this is just not Joseph. That picture of Sheridan is horrible. It actually sounds gross that Sheridan is a Mrs. P to a child's Mr. P. And from that picture she looks like she would be committinge statutory rape with a Joseph who looks so young.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 5, 2019 22:34:18 GMT
melt in slang means ‘idiot’...how charming! Depends what your reference point is, I guess. Like theatre, it's how you choose to interpret what you see. I figured use of the word "melt" would appeal to the lowest common denominator and charm them accordingly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 22:36:14 GMT
We're just going to toss around terms like "statutory rape" when talking about Sheridan Smith playing a predatory older woman to Jac Yarrow's super-young Joseph, but not say a thing about all the lamenting on this very board that said super-young Joseph at no point wears a loincloth? Innnnnteresting.....
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Post by carmella1 on Jul 5, 2019 22:44:50 GMT
But those people are not on stage.
I think because of the age difference that is why no loincloth. I just find it distasteful. And Sheridan lusting after a Joseph who looks 12 in a loincloth ugh. IMO.
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Post by sispace on Jul 5, 2019 23:59:36 GMT
Ever since I first saw Phillip Schofield as Joseph when I was about 5, it's become my favourite musical and see the Kenwright tour every time it comes around locally.
After pretty much knowing every beat and cue of the touring version, I'm curious about this re-imagined production. However I doubt I'll get a chance to see it during its run.
Glad to hear King of My Heart has been dropped. When I first heard it I didn't think it fitted at all because it broke into the middle of a song. However, in the current tour with Jaymi Hensley, they've moved the location of the song slightly so it flows better and doesn't feel out of place.
However, I still can't quite get my head around Sheridan playing Jacob because the finale is one of the dramatic emotional moments in the show where Joseph reunites with Jacob, so wonder how it's done in the new version? Also, in previous versions at the end, there's the moment with either giant coat appearing via lift, or parachute/ribbons attachment (as in recent years). Does anything like that happen in this production or is there something different?
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Post by johartuk on Jul 6, 2019 0:06:01 GMT
We're just going to toss around terms like "statutory rape" when talking about Sheridan Smith playing a predatory older woman to Jac Yarrow's super-young Joseph, but not say a thing about all the lamenting on this very board that said super-young Joseph at no point wears a loincloth? Innnnnteresting..... Actually, I think it was more a case of people thinking it was strange that Joseph doesn't wear a loincloth in this production, when it's such an iconic part of the show (almost as much as the coat). I'd find the lack of loincloth odd regardless of who was playing Joseph. I found the WOS pics earlier - going through them, I was struck by how cheap some of the costumes looked, especially in comparison to the ones in the 1991/2007 productions. Sheridan's jailer costume is horrendous (is she wearing padding with that costume?), and the pic of her holding the children who play the Butler and Baker by their arms seemed odd to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 0:28:25 GMT
Who are you to determine what standards people should set though? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, including what they consider constitutes the "lowest common denominator", if they choose to use that phrase, and that includes people who hate a production for whatever reason! It's not snobbery, it's personal opinion, the whole point of a forum. Some people are becoming far too quick to jump on anyone who dares to voice any negativity around here, and it really does sometimes make me think twice about posting for fear of being torn apart for daring to dislike something! It's getting a bit much lately... I'm not up for an argument about it - just sick of the lowest common denominator nonsense which implies some kind of superiority. Don't be so dainty and precious about the right to express an opinion, as I'm just expressing mine. You just happen to disagree. Which is fine. Ya melt. The fact that you decided that you had to be rude in response rather says it all, and I think makes your sequence of posts rather hypocritical. It's entirely unnecessary for you to insult me for giving a different opinion to you in the same breath as you claim that my doing so is "fine". That's not giving an opinion, and if you're not up for argument then I'm not quite sure why you made the statement on a discussion forum in the first place - that was your choice, so people are entitled to respond. This thread is really starting to make me understand more why so many long standing posters have chosen to leave this forum in the last few months. Maybe I'll just stick to threads where the opinion I have to give is a positive one from now on, then there is less of a risk of offending anyone by committing the sin of disagreeing with them... |
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Post by chernjam on Jul 6, 2019 0:30:38 GMT
Just watching the DVD (thanks everyone between listening and the car and now watching the DVD- I'm going to have Joseph stuck in my brain for weeks now) But seriously, the One More Angel id Heaven extended dance sequence was probably one of the best additions they made in the 90s. The choreography and extras to it, really were fantastic. Did they keep that in the revival?
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Post by carmella1 on Jul 6, 2019 1:13:41 GMT
In 2007 they used the same choreography as 91 not sure about the dvd.
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