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Post by Rory on Oct 18, 2018 5:33:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:45:37 GMT
All rings horribly true. There's also within the industry an almost 'fetishised' view of living in poverty, but from those who did it when times were better. I had one artistic director tell me how they lived on a boat in the Thames and worked for no money 'because they had to' but neglecting to say that she had family money behind her so could still, you know eat. Meanwhile actors in their theatre were working for free/next to nothing for the chance to put it on their CVs. And while yes, everyone needs those credits, and yes we all do things for free sometimes, it shouldn't be seen as a 'must do'.
Meanwhile it's getting to the point that 'survival jobs' pay more than acting jobs.
I also don't mean to take away from the actors, because that as described it horrible. But actually the creatives elsewhere are treated and paid even worse. For writers, designers etc who are often paid on a one off fee, the hourly rate is often much less than minimum wage, and no less eats into 'earning money' time than it does for actors away on tour. And yet as with actors, we all have to do it 'for exposure'
And before anyone rides into the thread saying 'don't do it for free then' we all have to- actors to designers to writers- because it's the only chance of progressing. And the more we do it for free, the less people want to pay for it. And so on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:17:42 GMT
Like living in a boat on the Thames is a genuinely cheap option, I'd *kill* to be able to afford that!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:29:25 GMT
Like living in a boat on the Thames is a genuinely cheap option, I'd *kill* to be able to afford that! Well quite. Same AD asked me why I wasn't seeing fringe theatre in London every week. My answer 'Because I live in Cardiff (and don't own a Tardis or a money pit).'
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Post by kathryn on Oct 18, 2018 9:03:51 GMT
Like living in a boat on the Thames is a genuinely cheap option, I'd *kill* to be able to afford that! Gosh, yes! It's basically the same cost as renting a central London apartment. As I was saying to Emi the other day, most theatre professionals I've come across don't actually go to the theatre all that often - certainly not as often as some of our theatreboard regulars do. If they're lucky enough to be working in theatre, they're too busy, and if they're not working, they can't afford it - even with cheap tickets. They go when they can get comps, usually to see friends in something. So that's another way that theatre as an industry suffers - the people who make theatre don't get enough experience of being an audience member to feed that into their work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 9:57:16 GMT
Like living in a boat on the Thames is a genuinely cheap option, I'd *kill* to be able to afford that! Gosh, yes! It's basically the same cost as renting a central London apartment. As I was saying to Emi the other day, most theatre professionals I've come across don't actually go to the theatre all that often - certainly not as often as some of our theatreboard regulars do. If they're lucky enough to be working in theatre, they're too busy, and if they're not working, they can't afford it - even with cheap tickets. They go when they can get comps, usually to see friends in something. So that's another way that theatre as an industry suffers - the people who make theatre don't get enough experience of being an audience member to feed that into their work. Yes exactly. I mean I'm lucky that my 'job' in theatre involves a lot of seeing it (for free) otherwise I never would, otherwise I couldn't afford it. As an aside to that, it has it's perks as I've been able to invite someone on a date to Wicked press night, making me look way cooler than I actually am (and frankly a much more expensive looking date than I could actually afford). But such things are a rarity. I consider myself 'lucky' to work in theatre in the limited capacity I do. BUT I'm 34 years old and my salary is now less that what it was when I first graduated at 23. I've made a (short term) choice to accept that but I shouldn't HAVE to accept a bellow living wage standard of living either.
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