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Post by kathryn on Aug 22, 2018 9:22:50 GMT
So, this morning I stumbled across someone on twitter describing Anthony Hopkins as 'the greatest living English stage actor', and my reaction was basically, 'lol, no'.
But then I realised I've never seen Anthony Hopkins on stage!
So, I wondered - since we have a whole range of theatre-going experience here - who would the denizens of theatreboard consider the greatest living English stage actor? And why?
'Actor' is gender-neutral for the purposes of the question, but I'm insisting on 'English' because that was the original comment.
Show your workings, please - I want to know what great performances I've missed out on over the years.
Also: this is strictly for fun :-) I'm not doing a poll.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 9:29:27 GMT
The first name that hopped into my brain was Ian McKellen, and considering his overall standard and his professional reputation, I don't see much of a reason to argue against that. Unless you're arguing for Judi Dench, I guess, it's very much between those two.
I can also think of a lot of names who I think have the potential to hold this title in the years ahead (okay, I can think of Eve Best and Patsy Ferran), but I'm happy with my first choices up there.
Also, Anthony Hopkins is WELSH. I do hope you pointed that out!
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Post by kathryn on Aug 22, 2018 9:37:22 GMT
I admit, I didn't, but see that you now have.
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Post by vdcni on Aug 22, 2018 9:41:50 GMT
Yeah McKellen and Dench are the obvious go to names though personally I didn't see either of them in their big triumphs.
Maggie Smith as well even though she is retired from the stage - or less mentioned but what about Eileen Atkins or Michael Gambon?
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Post by profquatermass on Aug 22, 2018 9:43:52 GMT
He's American now though. What was the last thing he did on stage? Pravda? Anthony and Cleopatra? Surely nobody under 50 has seen him on stage and he's pretty unlikely to do any more
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 9:51:40 GMT
Also, for me, I think there's a difference in my brain between "greatest" and "best". If you asked me for the *best* living English stage actor, I'd be voting for Eve Best or Simon Russell Beale or Harriet Walter in a heartbeat, but the use of the word "greatest" just took my brain to an entirely different place where wider reputation mattered as much as skill. Funny how that happens!
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Post by kathryn on Aug 22, 2018 10:00:35 GMT
Also, for me, I think there's a difference in my brain between "greatest" and "best". If you asked me for the *best* living English stage actor, I'd be voting for Eve Best or Simon Russell Beale or Harriet Walter in a heartbeat, but the use of the word "greatest" just took my brain to an entirely different place where wider reputation mattered as much as skill. Funny how that happens! It is funny. There's a difference between 'best', 'greatest' and 'my favourite', too. Deborah Findley is one of my favourites but I'm not quite sure if I could justify putting her in the 'best' or 'greatest' categories. (But then, I am rubbish at this kind of ranking game anyway - I can only go as far as 'one of my favourites' and 'very good' before all differentiation breaks down, but i certainly know who i don't think is 'the greatest' or 'the best'.)
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Post by wickedgrin on Aug 22, 2018 10:50:32 GMT
It's all very subjective isn't it? Hopkins barely registers as a stage actor with me. I only saw him once in M Butterfly at the Shaftesbury (I think) and remember being astonished but he has since said in interviews that he hated the experience.
My vote for greatest would be McKellen and Dench, although Maggie Smith would be a close runner up. Her mannered style ideal for the stage - hilarious, outrageous and fabulous in Lettice and Lovage for example, but hasn't done stage work for ages.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 22, 2018 10:54:04 GMT
My vote for greatest would be McKellen and Dench, although Maggie Smith would be a close runner up. Her mannered style ideal for the stage - hilarious, outrageous and fabulous in Lettice and Lovage for example, but hasn't done stage work for ages. I was very lucky to see her do a bit from Lettice and Lovage and the Peter Shaffer memorial last year - simply devine!
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Post by sf on Aug 22, 2018 11:02:45 GMT
It's all very subjective isn't it? Hopkins barely registers as a stage actor with me. I only saw him once in M Butterfly at the Shaftesbury (I think) and remember being astonished but he has since said in interviews that he hated the experience. Yes, at the Shaftesbury. I saw it too. If he's done any stage work since, it passed me by.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:12:16 GMT
Biggins
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Post by kathryn on Aug 22, 2018 12:56:48 GMT
That's it, folks, everyone go home. We have a winner.
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Post by joem on Aug 22, 2018 13:24:06 GMT
Best performances I ever saw were Gambon in "View from the Bridge", Rylance in "Jerusalem" and Juliet Stevenson in "Hedda Gabler".
Best overall, there are a lot of strong contenders. Apart from the above: Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckellen. Simon Russell Beale also a good shout. Then there's younger generation from them like Douglas Hodge and Imelda Staunton.
Thankfully, there are loads of excellent British (sorry can't be bothered where in UK or related territories they were born) actors around.
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Post by meister on Aug 22, 2018 14:24:30 GMT
Another vote for Ian McKellen. I was lucky enough to see many productions that he was in at the National in the 1980s &1990s and they were outstanding - Bent, The Critic/The Real Inspector Hound, Coriolanus, The Enemy of the People, Richard III, Wild Honey, King Lear, Peter Pan - happy memories!!!
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Post by couldileaveyou on Aug 22, 2018 14:29:59 GMT
My vote for greatest would be McKellen and Dench, although Maggie Smith would be a close runner up. Her mannered style ideal for the stage - hilarious, outrageous and fabulous in Lettice and Lovage for example, but hasn't done stage work for ages. I was very lucky to see her do a bit from Lettice and Lovage and the Peter Shaffer memorial last year - simply devine! She was fabulous, brought down the house with an "however"
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Post by SageStageMgr on Aug 22, 2018 15:29:48 GMT
The “English” bit got me. My go to answer is Spacey, who is of course American.
So mine would have to be Derek Jacobi. Absolutely phenomenal actor in the flesh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:27:13 GMT
I can see the argument for listing Spacey as a great actor, but he's significantly better at screen than stage so even if this weren't nationality-based, I wouldn't even shortlist him for this debate. Also, it's extremely important to remember that he is a terrible human being and the Old Vic board still haven't resigned. Jacobi's pretty awesome, though I can't quite get past the fact he doesn't believe in Shakespeare, even though Jacobi's own father was a tobacconist (surely on a par with Shakespeare's own father's trade of glove-maker) and the anti-Stratfordian arguments are based on conspiracy, snobbery, and classism rather than anything legitimate. In answer to @ryan's earlier post in a different thread, I'm a BUNDLE of fun at parties.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Aug 22, 2018 16:41:47 GMT
I can see the argument for listing Spacey as a great actor, but he's significantly better at screen than stage so even if this weren't nationality-based, I wouldn't even shortlist him for this debate. Also, it's extremely important to remember that he is a terrible human being and the Old Vic board still haven't resigned. Jacobi's pretty awesome, though I can't quite get past the fact he doesn't believe in Shakespeare, even though Jacobi's own father was a tobacconist (surely on a par with Shakespeare's own father's trade of glove-maker) and the anti-Stratfordian arguments are based on conspiracy, snobbery, and classism rather than anything legitimate. In answer to @ryan's earlier post in a different thread, I'm a BUNDLE of fun at parties. I think I’m uniquely fortunate, in that I truly am able to separate the performer from the scandal when these things happen. I’d consider Spacey’s Richard III remains the best performance in a play I’ve been lucky to see. I don’t really care too much for celebrity’s private lives outside of what I pay to see them do. If I loved Gary Glitter’s music - which I don’t, well before my time - then his being a criminal sex offender wouldn’t stop me enjoying his music. Incidentally, while I actually fully believe the allegations against him myself from the reports I’ve read - all hearsay and allegation mind you - nothing has been proven against him and I believe firmly in innocent until proven guilty. I’m not one to jump on bandwagons, to be fair. Not that I’m saying other people are, I just tend to err on the side of caution when assessing people’s character - not least people I’ve never known.
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Post by bobbybaby on Aug 22, 2018 16:43:36 GMT
I’d make it a fight between Judi Dench , Deborah Findlay and Roger Allam. Whomsoever can give the best Lady Bracknell shall take the crown.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Aug 22, 2018 16:46:22 GMT
I’d make it a fight between Judi Dench , Deborah Findlay and Roger Allam. Whomsoever can give the best Lady Bracknell shall take the crown. I loved Allam in La Cage Aux Folles! Thought he was incredible. Only thing I’ve seen him in live to be fair. Couldn’t sing well but the definition of acting through song. Amazing.
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Post by bobbybaby on Aug 22, 2018 16:50:02 GMT
I’d make it a fight between Judi Dench , Deborah Findlay and Roger Allam. Whomsoever can give the best Lady Bracknell shall take the crown. I loved Allam in La Cage Aux Folles! Thought he was incredible. Only thing I’ve seen him in live to be fair. Couldn’t sing well but the definition of acting through song. Amazing. I saw his Benedick with Susan Fleetwoods’ Beatrice in Stratford and he reduced the audience to hysterics with an amazing cigar puff. Mind you I’m sure Judi and Deborah know how to handle a cheroot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:52:36 GMT
The “English” bit got me. My go to answer is Spacey, who is of course American. So mine would have to be Derek Jacobi. Absolutely phenomenal actor in the flesh. Jacobi it is then. Plus he's got the most lovely twinkly eyes. Spacey doesn't deserve to be remembered as anything but a disgusting, vile piece of sh*t but perhaps there's a forum in Hell that might consider his hammy talents worthy.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Aug 22, 2018 16:55:56 GMT
I loved Allam in La Cage Aux Folles! Thought he was incredible. Only thing I’ve seen him in live to be fair. Couldn’t sing well but the definition of acting through song. Amazing. I saw his Benedick with Susan Fleetwoods’ Beatrice in Stratford and he reduced the audience to hysterics with an amazing cigar puff. Mind you I’m sure Judy and Deborah know how handle a cheroot. I’m sure they do!!! Just while we’re on Dame Judi, a colleague recently told me how he’d worked with her a long while back in the West End. He was depping a friend on a show for a few nights and La Dench came to the wing ready for her cue and said excitedly; “oooh, you’re new!”. She proceeded to introduce herself(!) and ask all about my colleague and his life, family etc. She interrupted and said “excuse me, that’s my cue, remember where we got to!”, went and did her scene, then came back and carried straight on where she left off with the chat. Absolute dignity and respect for everyone. I’ve only met her briefly once at a charity function and she was the picture of class and politeness.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Aug 22, 2018 16:59:15 GMT
The “English” bit got me. My go to answer is Spacey, who is of course American. So mine would have to be Derek Jacobi. Absolutely phenomenal actor in the flesh. Jacobi it is then. Plus he's got the most lovely twinkly eyes. Spacey doesn't deserve to be remembered as anything but a disgusting, vile piece of sh*t but perhaps there's a forum in Hell that might consider his hammy talents worthy. Well, I’ve never found him hammy, personally. I’m happy to discuss the merits of his performances, but I don’t think speculating and discussing media reports about alleged crimes is really helpful until he has actually been charged with a crime. The whole concept of trial by media just makes me uneasy, regardless of my personal opinions about the cases involved (or rather, what I know of them).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 17:03:38 GMT
Judi Dench, edging out Maggie Smith, Michael Gambon and Ian McKellen. Her range nicks it.
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