Waitress - Adelphi Theatre / U.K. Tour / Cinema

Also considering the arcs in CxG I wouldn't think you can dead compare the two of them, you'll see as you watch it!

Yet it is still used as humour and to make us laugh. It is established as creepy but used to entertain us.

Just remember to be careful about spoilers, especially since we're discussing other shows now.

My thoughts entirely Ryan. It’s all well and good getting disproportionately outraged on other peoples behalf, but the show I watched on Saturday was a shallow rom com set in a backwards backwood of the USA. It was hardly a documentary and related to absolutely nobody I knew’s life. I found the Earl storyline far more powerful and well played.

For what it's worth, I was angry on my own behalf...

So on coming home and reading through this lot these are my thoughts (not suggesting anyone care)

1. Generally we can agree that stalking is a bad thing, and that in no way is this an example to be held up no matter if you're, to quote Karen Walker 'Gay, Straight, Bi, Thai' 
2. The Ogie storyline can certainly be read as a creepy stalker story. I can also see how you might have a less strong reaction and see it all as an awkward idiot, which is no doubt how the writers/producers intend it, BUT on that note if someone says they find it creepy accept that people find it creepy. 
3. It's possible to find it creepy, acknowledge that and still very much enjoy Waitress as a whole and that doesn't make you a terrible stalker-supporting human. 

But most importantly, don't stalk people/behave like that, and don't tell people of any gender/sexuality how they should/shouldn't feel about a thing. 

Oh and for what it's worth re: Come From Away (spoiler tags for, well spoilers) 

Oh thanks! I mean in part they are Karen Walker's words haha! 

But yes, I agree there are far, far worse examples in musical theatre (and elsewhere as noted)

I haven't ever seen the film, but given the nature of Jenna's relationship, it's a shame they didn't choose to re-write drastically and explore the darker side of the romantic relationships more (my main problems with Waitress are all book related and mainly that I'd have liked those darker elements explored a bit more). 

Still part of being a 'grown up' engaging with culture is being able to decide if you can still love a thing and engage with its problematic elements. And I agree that if I can still warble along with Phantom happily, then I shouldn't judge myself for also loving Waitress despite these issues (but totally respect people who don't/can't like either) 

There's no reason to get snappy about it. That comment wasn't even aimed at you, it was a general comment because the lyrics of that song hadn't been mentioned on this thread. If it was aimed at you solely, I would have quoted you.

I think that's a little unfair. Dan was actually rather complimentary about lots of parts of the show but there was one part that stuck out for him and it clearly struck a chord with other people too. I really don't think he's on any kind of "crusade" at all to be fair. In my experience Dan is someone who, more often than not, tends to embrace musicals new and old rather fervently. In fact, he'll often love any old bit of rubbish and there are box offices all over London's glitzy West End who are probably sick to the sight of him. If they gave out loyalty cards, he'd have a wallet stuffed full of them.

He gave the show 3 stars... He's just discussing a certain aspect of the show, cause this is, you know, a discussion thread.

Because this is an important issue in today's society and should be discussed. If I'm passionate about an issue like this, no one has a right to tell me I'm wrong to feel that or to stop voicing an opinion on a DISCUSSION board? And there are plenty on here who were happily discussing these issues. It's not a cut and dry "it's messed up" or its not kinda thing, it's OK to have a back and fourth dialogue, that's fine. But no one is making any of this discussion personal except for you.