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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 17:09:38 GMT
She probably accepted The Color Purple because it is one of the most iconic leading female roles for black women and she thought it'd look great on a CV. But she doesn't deserve this role and no one will touch her for a little while now if this plays out how it likely will and arguably should.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 23:47:22 GMT
She has been indoctrinated like many Christians, Muslims and Jews are worldwide (who continue to indoctrinate their children themselves). Personally, even as a gay man, I can deal with this if she gives an exceptional performance. Oh no. No no no. Indoctrinated or not, she should NOT play this role. And as a gay man you should absolutely NOT accept it in any way, shape or form, even if she gives an exceptional performance. That is a complete and utter betrayal of anyone that has stood up and defended gay rights in whatever way. She is basically saying that you should not be accepted by society. People have died for you. I am frankly stunned and astonished that you could even consider seeing her in this show. |
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Post by singularsensation10 on Mar 17, 2019 8:25:18 GMT
Regardless of what she said, because believe it or not people have opinions no matter how warped, the fault is on the producers. She’s not just an understudy, she’s playing the lead role in a show which is likely to do pretty well. If a member of the public could do this digging, it really would’ve made sense for the producers to have a quick social media check too.
Also, the reaction of people on Twitter being so vile and vehemently rude to her directly is fighting hate with hate and in my opinion it’s equally as despicable as what she said originally.
I bet she is absolutely gutted at this whole thing (whether she stands by her original post or not), and knows she won’t be playing the role anymore - people could have written to the producers or the theatre directly but in stead they chose to post vile words about this girl on social media (the irony is staggering) with her personally tagged into the post.
Just goes to show we’ve still got a long way to go, and we should probably look to ourselves before throwing stones.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 17, 2019 8:30:50 GMT
An apology from her seems unlikely.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 17, 2019 8:46:43 GMT
Regardless of what she said, because believe it or not people have opinions no matter how warped, the fault is on the producers. She’s not just an understudy, she’s playing the lead role in a show which is likely to do pretty well. If a member of the public could do this digging, it really would’ve made sense for the producers to have a quick social media check too. Also, the reaction of people on Twitter being so vile and vehemently rude to her directly is fighting hate with hate and in my opinion it’s equally as despicable as what she said originally. I bet she is absolutely gutted at this whole thing (whether she stands by her original post or not), and knows she won’t be playing the role anymore - people could have written to the producers or the theatre directly but in stead they chose to post vile words about this girl on social media (the irony is staggering) with her personally tagged into the post. Just goes to show we’ve still got a long way to go, and we should probably look to ourselves before throwing stones. I'm sorry, no. Do you seriously expect producers and creative teams to trawl through years of social media posts before hiring someone? Their job is to hire somebody who performs well and seems a good fit for the part at auditions. That's all. If she turns up wanting that part the assumption would rightly be she has no problem with the subject matter. I'm seriously not understanding what you are wanting them to have done? They aren't detectives. If they did decide to be become detectives and judge a jury on somebodies personal life and did a "quick social media check" i'm guessing they wouldn't have found something from 5 years ago anyway. And a member of the public didn't find it, a fellow actor did. And do we know how? No. Do we know how or why he found that facebook post and exposed it? No. Do we know his personal history with her? No. None of this had come out before this moment and she'd been working on big shows for several years. We are only getting reports now from others about her attitude now it's all out. She was cast in The Color Purple concert as Nettie before, she was cast in Spring Awakening that has LGBT themes in and she was cast in LSOH that had a largely gay creative team and many gay performers in it, is it their fault as well for hiring her? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 9:35:46 GMT
Regardless of what she said, because believe it or not people have opinions no matter how warped, the fault is on the producers. She’s not just an understudy, she’s playing the lead role in a show which is likely to do pretty well. If a member of the public could do this digging, it really would’ve made sense for the producers to have a quick social media check too.
Also, the reaction of people on Twitter being so vile and vehemently rude to her directly is fighting hate with hate and in my opinion it’s equally as despicable as what she said originally. I bet she is absolutely gutted at this whole thing (whether she stands by her original post or not), and knows she won’t be playing the role anymore - people could have written to the producers or the theatre directly but in stead they chose to post vile words about this girl on social media (the irony is staggering) with her personally tagged into the post. Just goes to show we’ve still got a long way to go, and we should probably look to ourselves before throwing stones. I'm sorry, no. Do you seriously expect producers and creative teams to trawl through years of social media posts before hiring someone? Their job is to hire somebody who performs well and seems a good fit for the part at auditions. That's all. If she turns up wanting that part the assumption would rightly be she has no problem with the subject matter. I'm seriously not understanding what you are wanting them to have done? They aren't detectives. If they did decide to be become detectives and judge a jury on somebodies personal life and did a "quick social media check" i'm guessing they wouldn't have found something from 5 years ago anyway. And a member of the public didn't find it, a fellow actor did. And do we know how? No. Do we know how or why he found that facebook post and exposed it? No. Do we know his personal history with her? No. None of this had come out before this moment and she'd been working on big shows for several years. We are only getting reports now from others about her attitude now it's all out. She was cast in The Color Purple concert as Nettie before, she was cast in Spring Awakening that has LGBT themes in and she was cast in LSOH that had a largely gay creative team and many gay performers in it, is it their fault as well for hiring her? This. Given that its from one of her industry peers and her facebook account is fairly locked down (the post in question is not public) he was possibly fairly aware of her views as an ongoing matter. When it was announced she had been cast in said role was when it came to a head and he felt it was time to bring the issue to light. No randomer is going to start trawling 5 years back on someones internet profile without good reason. A "quick" social media check would not reveal much, this took extensive knowledge and was also probably a result of existing professional relationships. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 16:45:17 GMT
Not that I expected a statement over the weekend, but the silence from her is almost deafening, and speaks a thousand words.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 17, 2019 16:58:52 GMT
As far as I am concerned, I am not prepared to be tolerated by anyone. The only thing that is acceptable is full acceptance. Nothing else will do.
No apology will suffice. We have to draw a line in the sand and say no more. If you cannot accept a fellow human being for who they are, then you will not be tolerated.
If you are going to put yourself in the public sphere, then you have to live with the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 17:03:31 GMT
I've said it as soon as it happened, Curve and Hippodrome owe nobody anything other than a removal from the show. From there, it is all on her to either apologise or say nothing and her career is probably done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 17:13:23 GMT
Not that I expected a statement over the weekend, but the silence from her is almost deafening, and speaks a thousand words. I suspect she's been advised by her agent/producers etc not to say anything until they have decided what they are going to do, and can get the PR team to word something. But yes, you're right - if she no longer held those views, I would imagine she would have tried to shut it down straight away, even with a one line tweet, until she could get a proper response written.
I think the outcome will be no apology, she'll stand by her beliefs, and she will quite rightly be removed from the show. Her views are disgusting, but it's her hypocrisy that amazes me. That tweet by a previous colleague worded it perfectly when he said "do not stand on the shoulders of great LGBT cast and creatives whilst showing a disdain". And don't accept the lead (or any) role in The Color Purple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 17:15:39 GMT
I also suspect that Aaron Lee Lambert knows she still holds these views, which is why he publicly raised it after she was cast in The Color Purple.
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Post by Seriously on Mar 17, 2019 17:24:30 GMT
I'm amazed she was so happy to perform on the Sabbath for "Spring Awakening".
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 17, 2019 17:25:04 GMT
Don’t shoot me down, because you could write what I know about religion on a pinhead, but isn’t it the case that Christianity is ok with homosexuality as long as you don’t actually practise it? Could this be how she reconciles her beliefs with working with LGBT people? By separating the people from the act?
Also, if this girl was brought up in an atmosphere of religious fervour led by her father, it’s hardly surprising that she holds such views is it? She’s effectively been brainwashed... maybe you could say radicalised. The very argument that people have used to justify why Shamina Begum should be allowed back. What’s the difference?
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 17, 2019 17:43:12 GMT
I think she will have been told to keep silence until they decide what to do and release their own statement, then she can maybe address it herself.
I expect we will hear something tomorrow.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 17, 2019 17:46:31 GMT
I understand her father is a pastor, the most racist and homophobic people I have had The dis-honour of meeting, also go to church on a Sunday, that this gives them entitlement for their obnoxious and warped views, think somewhere in the Old Testament in Leviticus it states man shouldn’t lie with man. It also goes on to say that you shouldn’t eat shellfish, so wonder where the tennant of Christian belief has gone ‘love your neighbour’. We have seen similar appalling bigoted behaviour from a bed and breakfast owner and a wedding cake owner.
More blood has been spilt of religion than anything else.
My knowledge of religion is limited and I am proud to say I cannot stand religion and happy to be atheist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 19:00:11 GMT
Depends on the Christianity. Some of it won't stand for homosexuality at all, some of it doesn't mind if you *are* gay as long as you never *do* anything gay, and some of it doesn't give two shiny hoots what you are as long as you pray and drop a few coins in the collection plate. Although there are parts of the Bible that seem to prohibit homosexuality, they're actually more open for debate than the hard-liners would like you to believe. I'm pretty sure Jesus would be WAY more accepting of homosexuality than some of the awful people who use his name as an excuse to police other people though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:02:10 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 17, 2019 20:33:39 GMT
The whole 'it is fine as long as you don't do anything' line will never be acceptable. The consensual expression of human sexuality is not something that should need approval by anyone - other than the people involved at the time. I am tired of having to have this fight over and over again.
People with objectionable, outdated, bigoted views will always exist. But they should be called out for them and exposed for what they are. Bigots.
Should they be denied employment? Not necessarily - it depends on the nature of the role.
But if you take up a public platform and are found out - then consequences must follow.
In this case, the original tweet is bad - but it is the Little Shop/Pride story that I find most appalling. It shows that she hasn't moved on from the original tweet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:34:37 GMT
Depends on the Christianity. Some of it won't stand for homosexuality at all, some of it doesn't mind if you *are* gay as long as you never *do* anything gay, and some of it doesn't give two shiny hoots what you are as long as you pray and drop a few coins in the collection plate. Although there are parts of the Bible that seem to prohibit homosexuality, they're actually more open for debate than the hard-liners would like you to believe. I'm pretty sure Jesus would be WAY more accepting of homosexuality than some of the awful people who use his name as an excuse to police other people though. There’s also LGBT Christians who believe that Jesus died for and loves all of us. And we’re building communities and churches that reject all of this other bullsh*t. We are ashamed of the hatred spewed by many Christians |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:46:20 GMT
Depends on the Christianity. Some of it won't stand for homosexuality at all, some of it doesn't mind if you *are* gay as long as you never *do* anything gay, and some of it doesn't give two shiny hoots what you are as long as you pray and drop a few coins in the collection plate. Although there are parts of the Bible that seem to prohibit homosexuality, they're actually more open for debate than the hard-liners would like you to believe. I'm pretty sure Jesus would be WAY more accepting of homosexuality than some of the awful people who use his name as an excuse to police other people though. There’s also LGBT Christians who believe that Jesus died for and loves all of us. And we’re building communities and churches that reject all of this other bullsh*t. We are ashamed of the hatred spewed by many Christians And heterosexual Christians who feel likewise and support you and join in that community building! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 22:30:00 GMT
There’s also LGBT Christians who believe that Jesus died for and loves all of us. And we’re building communities and churches that reject all of this other bullsh*t. We are ashamed of the hatred spewed by many Christians And heterosexual Christians who feel likewise and support you and join in that community building! I’m sorry, you’re right. I’m really sorry I excluded you. |
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 17, 2019 22:47:25 GMT
Her career - the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 22:53:02 GMT
Her career - the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away! 😂😂😂😂 we all thought this was just gonna be a nice small production, would come and go, and do it's thing. And here we are. |
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Post by kulen on Mar 17, 2019 23:00:21 GMT
Her career - the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away! 😂😂😂😂 we all thought this was just gonna be a nice small production, would come and go, and do it's thing. And here we are. She’s an actress, her job is to act out a character NOT be a spokesperson for a community. If she holds those views ( I don’t agree with them ) she can as long as she doesn’t incite hate or violence! She has an opinion, get over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 23:04:55 GMT
😂😂😂😂 we all thought this was just gonna be a nice small production, would come and go, and do it's thing. And here we are. She’s an actress, her job is to act out a character NOT be a spokesperson for a community. If she holds those views ( I don’t agree with them ) she can as long as she doesn’t incite hate or violence! She has an opinion, get over it. I think it's a bit more complex than than. It is comparable to, say, giving a man who published papers and articles on how to de-nationalise the NHS, and with vested interests in private medical firms a job as the countries Secretary of Health. Oh wait, that happened. Hunt. |
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