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Post by anita on Jul 5, 2018 9:01:01 GMT
"The Beautiful Game" is on at the Other Palace from 15th August - 18th August. Just booked. I saw the original production in 2000.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 5, 2018 9:02:01 GMT
NYMT production I believe. Friend of mine's son is in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:04:57 GMT
I hope their Irish accents are better than those in the original show. God almighty, never mind what religion they were, some of those accents didn't deserve any kind of happiness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:39:36 GMT
You can't beat a show with a bit of knee capping - bang (literally) goes the tap routine
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 5, 2018 10:36:36 GMT
I loved the Union Theatre version. Better than the original. It's a strong show.
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Post by westendcub on Jul 5, 2018 12:18:13 GMT
I’m booked for this, tempted by ‘A Little Princess’ too!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 12:24:54 GMT
Interesting they're doing that version, not the revised show that was renamed 'The Boys In The Photograph'
The only thing i remember from the original is Our Kind of Love, that became Love Never Dies.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 5, 2018 12:33:33 GMT
So does the tune now officially exist in Dies and Game ?
- Bernstein and I’m sure countless other did / do the same
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 12:43:59 GMT
So does the tune now officially exist in Dies and Game ? - Bernstein and I’m sure countless other did / do the same According to Wikipedia it was removed for The Boys in The Photograph, presumably because ALW put the tune into LND. I thought that Boys In The Photograph replaced The Beautiful Game for licensing. The Beautiful game is not a great name for a musical. Has there ever been a succesful musical with football links??
ALW uses the same tunes over and over. 'I'm Hopeless When it Comes To You' from Stephen Ward is a mash up of 'There is More To Love' and 'Other Pleasures' both from Aspects of Love
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 5, 2018 12:50:37 GMT
Interesting they're doing that version, not the revised show that was renamed 'The Boys In The Photograph' The only thing i remember from the original is Our Kind of Love, that became Love Never Dies. "The Boys..." title has been dropped, but it still the revised libretto with Our Lind of Love removed and "Born In Belfast" and "The Boys in The Photograph" (song) added (amongst other minor changes I can't recall right now) |
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Post by distantcousin on Jul 5, 2018 12:51:17 GMT
So does the tune now officially exist in Dies and Game ? - Bernstein and I’m sure countless other did / do the same
The tune was not in the version I saw in 2014 at the Union.
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Post by Oleanna on Jul 5, 2018 13:19:43 GMT
So does the tune now officially exist in Dies and Game ? - Bernstein and I’m sure countless other did / do the same According to Wikipedia it was removed for The Boys in The Photograph, presumably because ALW put the tune into LND. I thought that Boys In The Photograph replaced The Beautiful Game for licensing. The Beautiful game is not a great name for a musical. Has there ever been a succesful musical with football links??
ALW uses the same tunes over and over. 'I'm Hopeless When it Comes To You' from Stephen Ward is a mash up of 'There is More To Love' and 'Other Pleasures' both from Aspects of Love
I mean, it’s literally not. To which musical similarities are you referring? If anything, “Other Pleasures” could be likened to “Too Close To The Flame” from Stephen Ward, given the prominent use of the suspended tritone over the tonic chord. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 13:31:07 GMT
ALW uses the same tunes over and over. 'I'm Hopeless When it Comes To You' from Stephen Ward is a mash up of 'There is More To Love' and 'Other Pleasures' both from Aspects of Love
I mean, it’s literally not. To which musical similarities are you referring? If anything, “Other Pleasures” could be likened to “Too Close To The Flame” from Stephen Ward, given the prominent use of the suspended tritone over the tonic chord. I mean, it literally is.
The line 'I'm hopeless when it comes to you' is identical to 'i would trade them all for you' heck, even the lyrics are similar! and to my untrained ear, the same key.
And the line 'dry each others eyes' is the same melody in There is more to love' theres even the same pause in each song before it continues
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Post by Oleanna on Jul 5, 2018 13:43:53 GMT
I mean, it’s literally not. To which musical similarities are you referring? If anything, “Other Pleasures” could be likened to “Too Close To The Flame” from Stephen Ward, given the prominent use of the suspended tritone over the tonic chord. I mean, it literally is.
The line 'I'm hopeless when it comes to you' is identical to 'i would trade them all for you' heck, even the lyrics are similar! and to my untrained ear, the same key.
And the line 'dry each others eyes' is the same melody in There is more to love' theres even the same pause in each song before it continues
I think comparisons to lyrics and interpretation are moot, given that they’re nothing to do with the composer. With the first example you cite, yes they’re the same key, but I hardly think that’s grounds enough to support your argument. Also the two lines you cite are common practice cadence points. Again, not enough to suggest that one song is entirely ripped off from another. In your second example, I don’t know what you mean. “There Is More To Love” has a descending melody, whereas that moment in “I’m Hopeless When It Comes To You” is the same repeated note. It’s fair to suggest similarities in the feel or architecture of a song, but to suggest that two songs are directly alike needs more detailed example to my mind. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 5, 2018 13:50:02 GMT
Lloyd Webber is also not the only composer to reuse material from other of his work. It is something that has happened all through musical history.
Handel moved arias about left, right and centre. Rossini used the same overture for different operas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 15:28:26 GMT
Mash-ups and direct repeats aside, often it's just a simple case of 'sounds like his work'. Just like you can spot Sondheim's stuff a million miles off, Pasek and Paul's stuff is quite easy to link together etc... but ALW's is a bit more obvious in terms of common themes, sweeping key changes etc and people are, generally, a bit more sniffy about it. (probably as it's more populist). Speaking of which, in The Beautiful Game, I love "God's Own Country", but if I'm singing it in my head I always end up finishing on "Don't Know How to Love Him"  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 15:31:30 GMT
Mash-ups and direct repeats aside, often it's just a simple case of 'sounds like his work'. Just like you can spot Sondheim's stuff a million miles off, Pasek and Paul's stuff is quite easy to link together etc... but ALW's is a bit more obvious in terms of common themes, sweeping key changes etc and people are, generally, a bit more sniffy about it. (probably as it's more populist). Speaking of which, in The Beautiful Game, I love "God's Own Country", but if I'm singing it in my head I always end up finishing on "Don't Know How to Love Him" ALW has fairly openly said, unlike say Schoernberg who specifically prefers to compose original ideas for each production, his ideas go into an ongoing pot and get reused at various points. |
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Post by showtoones on Jul 5, 2018 16:37:19 GMT
Mash-ups and direct repeats aside, often it's just a simple case of 'sounds like his work'. Just like you can spot Sondheim's stuff a million miles off, Pasek and Paul's stuff is quite easy to link together etc... but ALW's is a bit more obvious in terms of common themes, sweeping key changes etc and people are, generally, a bit more sniffy about it. (probably as it's more populist). Speaking of which, in The Beautiful Game, I love "God's Own Country", but if I'm singing it in my head I always end up finishing on "Don't Know How to Love Him" ALW has fairly openly said, unlike say Schoernberg who specifically prefers to compose original ideas for each production, his ideas go into an ongoing pot and get reused at various points. I love Beautiful Game and we are due for a big West End revival. The choreography from the original production was so creative. Also, David Shannon's voice is like butter and don't get me started on the fabulosity of Josie Walker |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 16:41:10 GMT
ALW has fairly openly said, unlike say Schoernberg who specifically prefers to compose original ideas for each production, his ideas go into an ongoing pot and get reused at various points. "Our Kind of Love" form the Beautiful Game is the same at the title song in "love Never Dies." I love Beautiful Game and we are do for a big West End revival. And before that was The Heart Is Slow To Learn which Kiri Ti Kanawa sang at the RAH 50th thing. ALW wrote about the melody's history in the Love Never Dies programme notes. Personally I loved Our Kind of Love (though I also like Love Never Dies - completely different arrangement) - wish the melody could exist in both musicals without the inevitable outcry. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 16:42:25 GMT
ALW has fairly openly said, unlike say Schoernberg who specifically prefers to compose original ideas for each production, his ideas go into an ongoing pot and get reused at various points. I love Beautiful Game and we are due for a big West End revival. The choreography from the original production was so creative. Also, David Shannon's voice is like butter and don't get me started on the fabulosity of Josie Walker Ditto. Probably ALW's most underrated musical. The original West End production was glorious. |
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Post by phantz on Jul 27, 2018 9:37:37 GMT
I love Beautiful Game and we are due for a big West End revival. The choreography from the original production was so creative. Also, David Shannon's voice is like butter and don't get me started on the fabulosity of Josie Walker Ditto. Probably ALW's most underrated musical. The original West End production was glorious. It's a fantastic score but suffers a lot from Ben Elton syndrome. (Ben? I 'Don't like You') |
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Post by robertb213 on Jul 27, 2018 11:34:54 GMT
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Post by steve10086 on Aug 16, 2018 22:19:27 GMT
Saw this at The Other Palace tonight.
With the current debate about straight people playing gay, or white people playing other races, it was interesting to see young people playing young people, rather than 30 year olds pretending to be teenagers!
There are some exceptionally talented people in this cast, and I look forward to digging out the programme in years to come and discovering that I’d seen a current West End star before they were famous.
In many instances this production is a lot more interesting than the original. Especially the staging of ‘Don’t Like You’, which shows a lot more imagination than previously. I do think it’s a shame that ‘All The Love I Have’ has been chopped up and spread around the second act, rather than being a powerful stand alone number at the end though (not NYMT’s fault, of course).
Would recommend getting down to TOP to see it.
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Post by westendcub on Aug 16, 2018 22:42:33 GMT
This was excellent tonight & I agree if you can get along tomorrow or on Saturday it’s very much worth your time.
This has been a show I’m gutted I never saw when it was on the West-end so 18 years later I got my chance!!
I knew a few songs but not the whole score so I went in pretty fresh, I’m somewhat distraught to find out the song ‘The Boys in the photograph’ wasn’t in the original production meaning it’s not on the cast recording as that’s what I really wanted to listen too again coming out the show (it provides real sadness about the loss of young innocence & the fate of those young lads).
The young cast are indeed very impressive, what I loved about this production was how clever the props on stage where used to create the settings (lockers & football benches). The choreography was charming here, the ensemble pitch numbers a marvel!
Of course coming in fresh, I didn’t know just how devastating the act 1 closer is (tears just streamed down my face).
Excellent stuff (love to see come back for a short stint in the West-End or on the fringe).
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 16, 2018 22:45:05 GMT
My friend's son is playing Ginger in the show - and having the time of his life.
The Lord himself was in this evening - and cried.
And I remember crying when I saw the original production. It might not be a perfect show - but it has moments of great power.
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