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Post by wickedgrin on Jun 21, 2018 8:00:05 GMT
Carousel was in the Olivier theatre. I was there! Lyttelton. I was front row circle at press night, with Ned Sherrin sitting behind me and falling down the Lyttelton circle stairs after the show. Well, I apologise as I am clearly mistaken - old age!! Read more: theatreboard.co.uk/thread/1654/follies?page=138&scrollTo=212650#ixzz5J2m0DPB2This post by me, when I mistakenly thought I had seen the NT's production of Carousel in the Olivier rather than the Lyttelton (in the Follies thread) on 19th June and corrected by @theatremonkey I fear may have inspired a blog by the monkey on his site the following day - "10 signs you are becoming and older theatregoer"! Or, of course it just may be co-incidence! However on reading the blog I fear I have "become" rather than "becoming" an older theatre goer as I am very much afraid to report that I tick all 10 signs listed and a few more. A very entertaining read (although in my case a horrific one) at www.theatremonkeybook.wordpress.comI could add a few more signs but I don't want to embarrass myself on a public forum!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 8:16:09 GMT
Gosh, did theatres really once serve afternoon to audiences at their seats?
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Post by viserys on Jun 21, 2018 8:52:45 GMT
I'm not quite there yet, but it is sometimes scary to reflect that some of the younger performers I currently admire weren't even born yet when I was indeed seeing favorite shows for the third or fourth time.
I mostly notice it with revivals, like now people going "Oh, I can finally see The King and I!" and I'm thinking, meh, I've seen it before in London not so long ago... then check back and realize it's a whole 18 years ago after all.
As a female I need the loo all the time anyway (well, before the show and at the interval, afterwards I can usually make it back to the hotel first).
I don't regret getting older or time advancing though. I now have so much more money than as a teen and can afford to travel to London 4-5 times a year comfortably on the Eurostar and a single room (albeit at a Travelodge). Back then it was once a year on an Eurolines overnight coach via Calais-Dover and a bed in a 4-bed-dorm in the youth hostel. And the internet/social media makes it so much easier to keep informed on what's happening in London, be first in the queue when new shows open, be aware of cast changes, discounts, talk to you nice folks here daily, etc. when back then all I had was a bi-monthly printed magazine and no idea how to make friends in Britain.
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Post by joem on Jun 21, 2018 8:57:39 GMT
I'm relieved to find that I only got about 4.5 right on the survey. Here's to another 40 years of theatregoing!!!
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 21, 2018 9:17:06 GMT
I just turned 81 last week (and I keep telling people about it) so I think I am probably the oldest active Theatre Board member unless anybody else would like to claim that distinction?
And, as I keep reminding people, I started my serious theatre-going back in Sydney in the late 1940s with several visits to "Annie Get Your Gun" although I remember being taken by my mother to see "The Desert Song" and "White Horse Inn" before that, as well as a number of revues at the Tivoli, which was Sydney's premier Variety theatre.
But I have to admit that most of the things on the TheatreMonkey's list apply to me, and the one that I regret most is that over the years I have seen many shows from the Gods and thoroughly enjoyed them, but these days the Gods (a loose term for the highest levels in theatres including the Balcony at the Coliseum and the Amphitheatre at the Royal Opera House) are just too far away from the stage for me to see and hear properly. I have many happy memories of seeing wonderful operas and ballets from the Balcony at the Coliseum, in fact when I first arrived in London from Sydney in 1960, my first memory of the Coliseum is standing at the back of the Balcony for the opening night of "The Most Happy Fella"! But sitting in the middle of the Balcony for "Carousel" recently was not a happy experience and more recently, "Aida" with the ENO was ghastly both for the sight and the sound.
But I hope I still have a few more years of theatre-going left, so long as I can get seats in the Stalls or Dress Circle but I'm afraid they have to be at a reasonable price, as F58 in the Dress Circle at the Coliseum was last night for "KIss Me, Kate" at £20 – a real bargain!
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Post by alece10 on Jun 21, 2018 10:18:00 GMT
Well I fit into a lot of those categories but not quite all just yet. But the section about seat choice certainly applies to me. I moved to London when I was 18 and not earning a lot so could only afford seats in the gods and one or two shows I stood for. But it was all part of the fun of being young and meant I could see more than if I bought more expensive seats. These days I am afraid if I can't get or afford stalls or dress circle then I don't go. Luckily over the years I've discovered ways of getting a few bargains (often helped by heads up on this forum) but if it's something I really want to see then I will fork out the full price and this hasn't stopped me seeing most of what I want to see. I also always try to get aisle seat so I can stick a leg out and dont have to step over people's bags; drinks, coats etc to get to my seat as I usually step on something I shouldn't have. A few more years and I should be able to tick all the boxes on Theatremonkeys list.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jun 21, 2018 11:58:42 GMT
Very good.
Going to a revival of something you have a clear memeory of going to first time round and then not remembering anything that happens is scary.
Agree age has its compensations. We are seeing more than we ever did in the past.
I intend to ensure I stay young and beautiful by not booking my third visit to Les Mis before 2058!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 15:04:37 GMT
Old er yes but not old! Don't beat yourself up about forgetting which theatre at the NT, wickedgrin ... I reckon a lot of us share the same doubts about certain shows- Sunday in the Park, for instance. Was it the Olivier (I think yes) or the Lyttleton? It's the same with those Shaftesbury Avenue theatres- I can remember it was one of them, but which one? A couple of weeks back I went through two huges boxes of programmes in my loft. I'd honestly forgotten I'd been to a good 30% of the shows... Out to the recycling they went! What's worrying is that I can remember going to see Carousel in the Lyttleton but I can't remember much about it. What I can remember is only just making it for curtain up- something that had never happened to me before as I'd always been able to find a parking space around the back of the theatre with no trouble. That night was different! That's right, you could drive into central London in those days, always confident of finding a spot where you could leave the car... Nice coloured paper tickets. Opera glasses on the backs of seats too. Red, weren't they? The hot-dog sellers outside the theatres as you tipped out of the evening show. Those dreadful Music for Pleasure LPs of the show you'd seen being sold on Cambridge Circus. "All the songs from the show!" sing-songed the blokes outside the Palace when Superstar played there. (They were fibbing: song highlights only, in reality...) I do feel incredibly lucky as an older theatre-goer to have been around for the birth of all those big megamusicals that everyone just accepts in the West End now. And the thing is, I don't think I ever felt that lucky at the time, I took it all for granted. It's only as I've grown older and thought, "My God! I saw that... there... then... with him or her!" And I don't think any of the creators of/actors in those blockbusters had any idea exactly what they were creating, or how big they'd become, and that was part of the excitement; you felt you were part of their 'journey' too. (Remember when that word wasn't a cliché?)
I remember chatting to Keith Burns at the stage door of the Palace just after Les Mis had transferred from the Barbican. I asked him, "What do you all think of the show? Do you like it?", confident that he'd say how much the cast adored each song... I was quite shocked when he told me that many of them thought it sounded " a bit Eurovision"! Well Eurovision's passed the test of time too.
Just like us older theatre-goers. We're still kicking around, going to the matinee to avoid the drunks on the trains on the way home, now sitting in the stalls because we can't hear up in the gods, and not feeling we've anything to add to a theatre forum thread about our favourite show any more.
But... in my head I'm singing:
Lord knows, at least I was there, And I'm here! Look who's here! I'm still here!
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Post by Snciole on Jun 21, 2018 15:25:13 GMT
I am swooning at your internet skills tonyloco ! I've only been active on the theatre scene for 7 years but I hope I am still attending shows in my 80s (though I suspect my knees will give out well before then)
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Post by lynette on Jun 21, 2018 17:27:24 GMT
When I first came to London my flat mate and I used to pay 7/6 ( that is seven shillings and sixpence) for a seat in the gods at a West End Theatre. I paid about £6 a week rent so it was still a lot. So that's how old I am. I don’t remember tea served in your seat but to be honest I would love that now!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 7:55:14 GMT
When I first came to London my flat mate and I used to pay 7/6 ( that is seven shillings and sixpence) for a seat in the gods at a West End Theatre. I paid about £6 a week rent so it was still a lot. So that's how old I am. I don’t remember tea served in your seat but to be honest I would love that now! Gosh...7/6 is about 37p!
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 22, 2018 10:13:14 GMT
When I first came to London my flat mate and I used to pay 7/6 ( that is seven shillings and sixpence) for a seat in the gods at a West End Theatre. I paid about £6 a week rent so it was still a lot. So that's how old I am. I don’t remember tea served in your seat but to be honest I would love that now! Going back to 1960 for me, I got £12 per week for my day job as an Accounts Clerk with EMI Records (and I was taken on because I was a University graduate, albeit from Sydney University) and my weekly rent for a bed-sitting room at Notting Hill Gate was £3-10-0. Fortunately I was able to supplement my weekly income by a further £12 by playing piano in the lounge bar of a hotel in Bayswater four nights per week, which left me three nights to go to the theatre (plus Saturday matinees) including opera, ballet and concerts as well as plays and musicals. That's when I started walking out in the interval if I wasn't enjoying the performance because I needed to conserve my strength! I don't remember how much the tickets cost but I almost always sat in the Gods to conserve my budget! Of course this was just for the first few years or so of my time in London and things changed radically when I started playing for music hall and variety shows.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 24, 2018 9:58:53 GMT
May I go off on a tandem here and ask board members whether they recognise the building now appearing as my avatar? It no longer exists, hence my putting it in this thread about being an old theatre-goer.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 24, 2018 20:56:05 GMT
Those dreadful Music for Pleasure LPs of the show you'd seen being sold on Cambridge Circus. "All the songs from the show!" sing-songed the blokes outside the Palace when Superstar played there. (They were fibbing: song highlights only, in reality...) Ah now, Caiaphas, I have to stick up for my old employers EMI and Music for Pleasure! Those Music for Pleasure show LPs were not so very terrible, although they were indeed just highlights AND they were cheap! But from what I recall, they did contain some interesting artists, like June Bronhill and Inia Te Wiata in "The King and I" (June sang 'Something Wonderful' as well as Anna's numbers), Paul Daneman in "Camelot", Bernard Spear in "Fiddler on the Roof", Charles West in "South Pacific" and Anne Rogers and Patricia Routledge in "The Sound of Music" which included 'I have confidence' and 'Something good'. Also, they were mainly produced by the doyen of EMI's A&R men who was responsible for all of EMI's West End Original Cast albums in the 1960s and 70s, Norman Newell (pace George Martin, Norrie Paramor and Wally Ridley). Actually, I am surprised that you remember those MfP albums so they must have made an impression one way or another!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:32:56 GMT
^ Now tony, you have highlighted (!) another feature of these LPs and that was that they never listed the artists. Presumably because the recordings were considered rather naff, usually available only in places like Woolworths, not in ‘proper’ record shops, and because no ‘name’ as such wanted their name associated with the product. I jest... But come on... you are not going to rattle off all the ‘artists’ who were on those other albums and NOT tell me who was on this Superstar one, surely...?!?! I’ll treat you to a(nother) ticket to 42nd Street if you can name the chap who sang my lines in Hosanna.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 24, 2018 22:03:21 GMT
^ Now tony, you have highlighted (!) another feature of these LPs and that was that they never listed the artists. Presumably because the recordings were considered rather naff, usually available only in places like Woolworths, not in ‘proper’ record shops, and because no ‘name’ as such wanted their name associated with the product. I jest... But come on... you are not going to rattle off all the ‘artists’ who were on those other albums and NOT tell me who was on this Superstar one, surely...?!?! I’ll treat you to (another) ticket to 42nd Street if you can name the chap who sang my lines in Hosanna. No, not quite. The front covers that I have just found on the internet do sometimes list some of the singers but not always. There is a website devoted to that JCS MfP recording and it says: "Mike Redway and Danny Street are credited on the covers of some editions of this recording and a few trading lists down the years have reported that Redway plays the roles of both Jesus and Judas on it. Any other information is unknown." It also says that the recording was produced by Water J. Ridley who was one of the four main EMI A&R Managers alongside George Martin, Norrie Paramor and Norman Newell. There is a long note from a fan which talks about MfP's cover versions of shows and ends up saying that overall, the JCS album is a fine effort. Sorry that I am unable to win your offered ticket for '42nd Street' but if the archives of Music for Pleasure and Classics for Pleasure ended up in the EMI Group Archive at Hayes then there is a very slim chance that at some future time I might be able to find the original documentation for that recording which would include the names of all the performers. I will make some discreet enquiries but as of this moment I cannot say where that documentation ended up, although it might have gone in a skip to landfill!
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Post by Mr Snow on Jun 25, 2018 5:40:59 GMT
Those dreadful Music for Pleasure LPs of the show you'd seen being sold on Cambridge Circus. "All the songs from the show!" sing-songed the blokes outside the Palace when Superstar played there. (They were fibbing: song highlights only, in reality...) Ah now, Caiaphas, I have to stick up for my old employers EMI and Music for Pleasure! Those Music for Pleasure show LPs were not so very terrible, although they were indeed just highlights AND they were cheap! But from what I recall, they did contain some interesting artists, like June Bronhill and Inia Te Wiata in "The King and I" (June sang 'Something Wonderful' as well as Anna's numbers), Paul Daneman in "Camelot", Bernard Spear in "Fiddler on the Roof", Charles West in "South Pacific" and Anne Rogers and Patricia Routledge in "The Sound of Music" which included 'I have confidence' and 'Something good'. Also, they were mainly produced by the doyen of EMI's A&R men who was responsible for all of EMI's West End Original Cast albums in the 1960s and 70s, Norman Newell (pace George Martin, Norrie Paramor and Wally Ridley). Actually, I am surprised that you remember those MfP albums so they must have made an impression one way or another! Ah yes mentioning MFP stirs memoires. They also used to do covers of hit singles, sort of Now that's what I call Music before that series existed. I can't remember them ever lisitng the young singers they employed If anyone has the one with "Penny Lane" on it you can earn a pretty price on eBay. The singer was the unknown David Jones who found fame after changing his surname to Bowie. His attempt to give us a Scouse "customer" is as cringeworthy as The Laughing Gnome. Reg Dwight and others were roped in to. I had one based on Jimi Henrix, wander what happend to that!
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Post by Jan on Jun 25, 2018 5:51:02 GMT
Carousel was in the Olivier theatre. I was there! Lyttelton. I was front row circle at press night, with Ned Sherrin sitting behind me and falling down the Lyttelton circle stairs after the show. Well, I apologise as I am clearly mistaken - old age!! I have a complete and consistent memory of seeing the Brian Cox "Titus Andronicus" in the Barbican Pit theatre whereas when I came across the programme for it recently I actually saw it in the Swan - so an 80 mile error.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 6:02:58 GMT
^ Now tony, you have highlighted (!) another feature of these LPs and that was that they never listed the artists. Presumably because the recordings were considered rather naff, usually available only in places like Woolworths, not in ‘proper’ record shops, and because no ‘name’ as such wanted their name associated with the product. I jest... But come on... you are not going to rattle off all the ‘artists’ who were on those other albums and NOT tell me who was on this Superstar one, surely...?!?! I’ll treat you to (another) ticket to 42nd Street if you can name the chap who sang my lines in Hosanna. No, not quite. The front covers that I have just found on the internet do sometimes list some of the singers but not always. There is a website devoted to that JCS MfP recording and it says: "Mike Redway and Danny Street are credited on the covers of some editions of this recording and a few trading lists down the years have reported that Redway plays the roles of both Jesus and Judas on it. Any other information is unknown." It also says that the recording was produced by Water J. Ridley who was one of the four main EMI A&R Managers alongside George Martin, Norrie Paramor and Norman Newell. There is a long note from a fan which talks about MfP's cover versions of shows and ends up saying that overall, the JCS album is a fine effort. Sorry that I am unable to win your offered ticket for '42nd Street' but if the archives of Music for Pleasure and Classics for Pleasure ended up in the EMI Group Archive at Hayes then there is a very slim chance that at some future time I might be able to find the original documentation for that recording which would include the names of all the performers. I will make some discreet enquiries but as of this moment I cannot say where that documentation ended up, although it might have gone in a skip to landfill! If your discreet inquiries unearth any more nuggets of information then I will consider upgrading your ticket to the (side) stalls... I’d also like to know the name of the fan who reckoned this was a ‘fine effort’: (s)he and I will have some talking to do.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 25, 2018 7:38:39 GMT
I’d also like to know the name of the fan who reckoned this was a ‘fine effort’: (s)he and I will have some talking to do. No. The 'fan' remained anonymous. I think the website can be found at www.jesuschristsuperstarzone.com in the section devoted to the Music for Pleasure recording.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 25, 2018 7:47:12 GMT
Ah yes mentioning MFP stirs memoires. They also used to do covers of hit singles, sort of Now that's what I call Music before that series existed. I can't remember them ever lisitng the young singers they employed If anyone has the one with "Penny Lane" on it you can earn a pretty price on eBay. The singer was the unknown David Jones who found fame after changing his surname to Bowie. His attempt to give us a Scouse "customer" is as cringeworthy as The Laughing Gnome. Reg Dwight and others were roped in to. I had one based on Jimi Henrix, wander what happend to that! But that YouTube clip says the singer is not Bowie but a session singer called Tony Stevenson. There are obviously some interesting things to be researched in the archives of Music for Pleasure if they have survived, which I rather doubt. Watch this space...! But that YouTube clip says the singer is not Bowie but a session singer called Tony Stevenson.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jun 25, 2018 8:25:19 GMT
Ah yes mentioning MFP stirs memoires. They also used to do covers of hit singles, sort of Now that's what I call Music before that series existed. I can't remember them ever lisitng the young singers they employed If anyone has the one with "Penny Lane" on it you can earn a pretty price on eBay. The singer was the unknown David Jones who found fame after changing his surname to Bowie. His attempt to give us a Scouse "customer" is as cringeworthy as The Laughing Gnome. Reg Dwight and others were roped in to. I had one based on Jimi Henrix, wander what happend to that! But that YouTube clip says the singer is not Bowie but a session singer called Tony Stevenson. There are obviously some interesting things to be researched in the archives of Music for Pleasure if they have survived, which I rather doubt. Watch this space...! But that YouTube clip says the singer is not Bowie but a session singer called Tony Stevenson. OOOPS, recordcollectormag.com/articles/bowie-the-beatles-no-it-was-me I know a guy who shelled out more than £100 for a copy at the tail end of last century. If I run into him again I wont tell. Checked re Elton. Seems to be more likely. www.eltonography.com/albums/sessions/index.html My bad, as the young folk say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 8:48:43 GMT
tonyloco, not only are you Theatreboard's oldest contributor (unless someone else has claimed that title and I'm not aware of it) but you are quite simply a Mine of Information!
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 25, 2018 9:43:18 GMT
tonyloco, not only are you Theatreboard's oldest contributor (unless someone else has claimed that title and I'm not aware of it) but you are quite simply a Mine of Information! Thanks Caiaphas. Yes, but on a relatively limited field of subjects! The good news however is that until now my memory remains good and I am happy to churn out anecdotes on things that I do know something about, or think I do! Regarding Music for Pleasure, I spoke to the relevant person in the EMI Archives and he said there are some files in the Music for Pleasure section but they seem to be mainly 'business papers' concerned with accounts and such and there don't seem to be any documents like 'recording sheets' or 'make-up orders' which would give the names of singers on specific recordings. He did say that other researchers in the past have looked in those files to try to confirm the stories about David Bowie and Elton John recording for MfP but nothing conclusive had ever been found. I decided that I would not make a special trip to Hayes at present to look at those files, specifically regarding the cover versions of musicals, but the next time I went to Hayes to research something else I would have a look at the MfP files and see if they warranted a special trip at some future time.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 26, 2018 13:19:00 GMT
May I go off on a tandem here and ask board members whether they recognise the building now appearing as my avatar? I love a challenge, but I think you're going to have to give us a clue Michael Tony. It's difficult to tell from a small black and white photograph, but it looks like a mostly blue sky, with just one fluffy white cloud, so was this mystery building back in the 'old country'?
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