Trump Camps

I am not a nice person, and even I lay awake last night thinking what it must be like to be a child alone somewhere strange afraid in the night and having no comfort. And to be a parent knowing your child is screaming for you. It is unendurable.

Nobody can say they didn't see this coming.

Add to the US government, Italy, Hungary, Austria, Bavaria, Russia and so on and we are potentially moving inexorably towards a greater conflict (we are already there with trade). Too many governments and electorates have done nothing about the forces that have arisen and, whilst we aren't at a global tipping point yet, I fear that we will be lucky to avoid, at best, a cold war of liberal democracy against nationalist authoritarianism or, at worst, something that turns more violent with countries riven by the opposing forces that exist within them.

In this country maybe one benefit of having the Brexit debate has been the neutering of the far right, with UKIP also a spent force. When the Bannon's, Wilders' and so on's of the world can only look to 'Tommy Robinson' as their British counterpart then we may well stay safe, if not unaffected.

I don't think Brexit *has* neutered the far-right though, I think the far-right have been pleasantly (for them) surprised to discover that the "normal"-right views do actually include them so they no longer feel the need to identify separately in the way they have before.

I agree but having them within a centre right party may be better than their becoming the type of populist movement that's been making havoc in other democracies.

US here. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. Most misdemeanors are handled by giving a ticket and a trial date (usually months away). This has been the procedure up until now. When Trump and the Attorney General Sessions declared "zero tolerance" it meant that people were immediately taken into custody. This gives the US authorities the reasoning for separating children from their parents as only charged individuals can be in custody.

f***tard Trump keeps saying the Democrats are to blame but doesn't mention that the Republicans have majorities in both Houses and, if they got together and agreed on something, they could stop it now. The same way that Trump could stop it with a single tweet but his "base" voters love him for it. Wonder if they will feel the same way when authorities come after them in the future?

And what are Republicans doing? Trying to start an investigation to investigate the investigators that they appointed to investigate the original investigators (you really can't make this sh*t up) over Hillary Clintons emails

There does seem to be a disturbing trend towards ignoring the fact that these people are actually people: an attitude of human rights are for humans and these unwanted creatures don't qualify. I've seen it with Brexit too: EU citizens who have lived her for decades should just get out and learn to live somewhere else. Rights are for us, not for you.

But Trump is particularly bad. He's a disgrace to the office of president. I haven't always approved of the politics of past presidents but at least they've been competent and been mindful of the significance of the position they held. Trump just lies like a carpet and knows that everyone knows it, and doesn't give a crap.

Thanks for raising this issue. I think we should be talking about it despite our being basically a 'light' Board. We should make sure this reaches everyone. The Theatre industry is good at speaking out. ( love the Patti video, Ryan, thanks for that) We have seen this coming, haven't we? Actually I immediately thought of the play at the Park in Finsbury Park recently, called I think, Building the Wall. It showed very clearly how one man, an ex soldier who,is a security guard at a so called camp, can descend into inhumane actions when pressured by authority. And what this can lead to. It isn’t a play about the wall but about camps for 'illegals'. It showed how hard it actually is to stand out, to say, 'No' and we shouldn’t blame ordinary Americans for not ripping the place apart when they see this going on. But I do wonder. Why aren’t they protesting in the street or by the camps? They must know what is going on. They do know. Or are they protesting ? My twitter line is full of verbal protest but I haven't seen videos of protesters. Maybe someone, one of our American friends, can direct me to something.
Another play I’ve just seen is #We Are Arrested at the RSC about the imprisionment of the Turkish journalist and the repression of free speech. Terrifying. It is so deeply sad to see previously liberal democracies sink into xenophobic tyranny. My Dad, a mere squaddie in WWII was very admiring of the Americans who incidentally saved his life in an American military hospital, because of everything they stood for in his eyes and he was proud to 'fight' beside them against what he thought was the greatest evil to present itself to mankind. And they thought they had beaten it, didn’t they, didn’t we?

I agree. I was giving their rational. And no one I know considers the Trump regime to be acceptable or ethical

I do wonder if the age of social media has pacified people to an extent. People can tweet a post of outrage with reach of 10, 20 people and feel like they've made the point and go back to playing candy crush.

This happened last night: www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/kirstjen-nielsen-protesters-restaurant.html

Bunch of stuff happening in NYC: takeactionnyc.com/nyc-protest-event-calendar/

There was an ICE protest yesterday in San Francisco: brokeassstuart.com/blog/2018/06/19/families-belong-together-shut-down-ice/

The big nationwide one is June 30: www.thecut.com/2018/06/protest-trump-immigrant-families-policy-dc.html

Also, the Women's March is organizing something for June 28: www.endfamilyseparation.us/

Portland folks have been protesting at the ICE building and shut it down: thehill.com/homenews/news/393225-protesters-shut-down-portland-ice-facility-report

(Well this board didn't exist then...)

Anyway, although your facts are dubious, I'm hungry and not going to worry about it. Either way, just because (or just in case) something was bad before and it wasn't spoken about doesn't mean we can't speak out now.