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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:04:48 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No). 'taking up good seats' They paid for them, therefore are as entitled to sit in them as anyone else. And as my learned Monkey says, they clearly did their research 'I want to see Cate Blanchett in a play' and did just that. I mean that's like saying I'm not entitled to be disappointed by 'All About Eve' when I went, on good faith of loving Anderson and Van Hove (well the latter some days) and then didn't like the play on reflection. I knew roughly what I was buying tickets for, but as in theatre and life, such things are always a gamble.
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Post by asfound on Feb 28, 2019 12:32:27 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No). I'm the last person to buy into this self-righteous "[insert typically middle class art form] is for everyone" bollocks (which I suspect is 90% about PR and marketing) but hey, at least they seemed engrossed by Cate Blanchett and didn't talk and get their phones out once it started. To be honest it seemed that the overwhelming majority were there just to see her anyway, so I doubt you would have got a hardcore Martin Crimp fan in their place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:43:49 GMT
What they said above as well. Tell me at least 80% of the audience weren't there just to see Cate.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Feb 28, 2019 12:54:23 GMT
For the ones there to see Cate, they definitely see Cate, her performance on stage is astounding to behold, the rawness and uninhibited portrayal of woman is awe inspiring, her character changes in an instant as she traverses the multiple personalities along the continium between the male and female persona.
Not really seen much of her film work and therefore didn’t have any expectations and can now fully understand why she is such a draw when she treads the boards.
Whether her fans appreciate the play is another matter, at least they will have had an opportunity to see something different which may pique their interest in seeing something similar and the perplexion when listening to the conversations on the way out is very interesting as they try to make sense of what they saw.
Found the gift giving at the end a bit cringeworthy and could see she wasn’t particularly thrilled having given her all over the previous two hours but should be expected as an a-lister who is the primary reason her devoted fans booked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 12:55:11 GMT
What they said above as well. Tell me at least 80% of the audience weren't there just to see Cate. Hell, I was there just to see Cate lolling about the stage with a dildo and I don't mind admitting it. You don't get that on 'The One Show'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:00:28 GMT
What they said above as well. Tell me at least 80% of the audience weren't there just to see Cate. Hell, I was there just to see Cate lolling about the stage with a dildo and I don't mind admitting it. You don't get that on 'The One Show'. And The One Show is the poorer for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:01:30 GMT
Felt bad for the Chinese tourists in the front row yesterday. Were visibly saddened at being told by the staff at the beginning to turn off their phones and not take pictures, spent 2 hours sitting through incomprehensible dialogue even people with a reasonable grasp of the English language would struggle with, were visibly shocked at the blood, violence and strap on, clearly had no idea what was going on, and to top it all off had the flowers they had bought for Cate summarily handed to the other cast members during the curtain. Second time seeing it myself, thought it was brilliant. People like this really try my commitment to believing in "theatre for everyone". Taking up good seats, trying to take photos and then attempting to try and foist flowers on someone? GRRRRR. Can't people do basic research on what they're going to see (answer from most of the stuff in this thread: No). Oh piffle. We've all gone to see something without really knowing what it's about and basing it on the cast. That's half of my theatre going life! I shouldn't have to do any revision before deciding whether I book for something. And good luck working out what the play is about before booking something at the Almeida if their website is anything to go by.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:07:02 GMT
Hell, I was there just to see Cate lolling about the stage with a dildo and I don't mind admitting it. You don't get that on 'The One Show'. And The One Show is the poorer for it. Indeed. Can you imagine it though? Alex: "On tonight's show, living with dementia. We speak to families caring for a loved one as they deal with the disease followed by Jack Bridges, the only living survivor of the Boer War on his recollections of life at war". Matt: "And before a live performance by Jane McDonald and the cast of 'Waitress', currently playing in London's glitzy West End, we talk dildos with Cate Blanchett and Alex and I will be trying a few out live on the show later". Alex: "But first, are you getting the best deal from your electricity supplier?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:14:47 GMT
Whichever one of you it Yvette getting her knickers in a knot over on twitter, calm down dears, it's only a dildo...
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Post by crowblack on Feb 28, 2019 13:26:26 GMT
Found the gift giving at the end a bit cringeworthy People used to do it in theatre though, didn't they? At least that's the impression I get from old movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:29:10 GMT
Oh piffle. We've all gone to see something without really knowing what it's about and basing it on the cast. That's half of my theatre going life! I shouldn't have to do any revision before deciding whether I book for something. And good luck working out what the play is about before booking something at the Almeida if their website is anything to go by. I definitely book to see shows without knowing what they're about, often without knowing anything about the cast, ALL THE TIME. For example, I booked a ticket for Downstate last November, and just found out yesterday what it's about. (Depending on early word of mouth, there is a possibility said ticket may be returned for credit.....) There are LOADS of reasons why people might book to see a play, and although it would kill the snobs to admit it, there isn't a single reason that is better, or more correct, or more pure than any of the other reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:45:32 GMT
Clearly, the language barrier will have led to misunderstandings about the nature of the play for the non-English speaking attendees. Those who do speak English have less of an excuse, though. It's not as though it was tucked away on the website because it was emblazoned across the press both when tickets went on sale and when performances started. From the perspective of the audience I was in, they were very much with the play however, although this may be because it was an extra performance so people were booking with a very good understanding of what they were booking for. Those who returned tickets would probably, on the whole, have done the right thing as they realised they had made a mistake. Those who just turned up, hadn't registered what was being said and didn't get what they were wanting only have themselves to blame. Caveat emptor. All in all, apart from the asinine way that the NT made it appear exclusive, the audience was there for the diverse reasons that it always is.
I'm pleased that a fair number (increasingly in evidence on here) will have had a good experience of something previously outside their usual theatregoing. Obviously, there are those who tried it out and didn't get anything out of it but that's the nature of art, there is no guarantee.
One small part of the audience is a group that always annoys me, however. The ones who blame everyone except themselves for them not enjoying it. You read about it, you book the tickets, you make the decisions. In future, make better choices and if you keep seeing things you dislike then maybe you need to realise that you are the problem. As I say, a small part of any audience but a frustratingly voluble part.
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Post by jadnoop on Feb 28, 2019 13:45:47 GMT
I suspect that I'm in the minority here, but if we're talking about 'bad manners' then I've gotta say that finding out that theatre-goers are going multiple times strikes me as slightly unsporting, given how limited the ticket availability is for this and how many people haven't been able to go even once.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that this is a play that will benefit from multiple viewings and I suppose it's nice that those who liked it most and made the effort (or have the most disposable income and flexible work schedule) have been able to grab a second ticket. However, while the online returns give everyone a chance, I feel that it would be fairer if those who missed out on the earlier ticket sales got a second shake at the stick over those who've been already. Or perhaps that's just me feeling bitter about only going once.
Either way, in the (presumably unlikely) chance that this comes back to the NT, I hope they go with a lesser-name actress, in which case I'll be inline to see it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:49:32 GMT
No I see your point on that- when it's balloted. I see cheating the system by two friends buddying up and taking one another as 'fair game' I suppose, as they're not taking up additional allocation. But it does seem unfair/poor manners.
*I say this with full disclosure that I *did* cheat the NT's rules for Angels tickets...
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Post by xxx on Feb 28, 2019 13:56:21 GMT
Found the gift giving at the end a bit cringeworthy People used to do it in theatre though, didn't they? At least that's the impression I get from old movies. always seems weird to me when people give gifts inside theatre or outside to actors.....I mean, there could literally be anything in there (a bomb?) surprised that, with security concerns everywhere now and especially UK, it is even allowed by the theatre...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 14:52:43 GMT
*I say this with full disclosure that I *did* cheat the NT's rules for Angels tickets... But to quote Franz in the original movie "The Producers," "You are only the audience, I am the author*, I outrank you" so you are probably given a bye on that one. *of an article in the programme, but still, attached to the show. I mean this was my reasoning. 'I KNOW PEOPLE' was my other...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 15:00:51 GMT
☝️OMGay, did you write about 'Angels in America' @emicardiff? Why didn't you say anything before? Bravo!
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Post by crowblack on Feb 28, 2019 15:29:35 GMT
if we're talking about 'bad manners' then I've gotta say that finding out that theatre-goers are going multiple times strikes me as slightly unsporting I don't - my issue is more with people who go half-heartedly because the money's no object and it's something to say you've seen and hated at your next dinner party. I think the couple to the left of me fell into that bracket (he asleep, her rooting noisily in her bag all the time), frustrating when you can see ticketless people on social media or craning from the upper gallery who would clearly love to be sitting where they were.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 15:44:37 GMT
if we're talking about 'bad manners' then I've gotta say that finding out that theatre-goers are going multiple times strikes me as slightly unsporting I don't - my issue is more with people who go half-heartedly because the money's no object and it's something to say you've seen and hated at your next dinner party. I think the couple to the left of me fell into that bracket (he asleep, her rooting noisily in her bag all the time), frustrating when you can see ticketless people on social media or craning from the upper gallery who would clearly love to be sitting where they were. But don't we need some of those people for whom money is no object and just go to the theatre in the most expensive seats to enable the people craning in the upper gallery to be able buy a cheap seat?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 16:04:32 GMT
We do, but when the expensive seats suddenly become all the seats except the upper gallery, one has to ask questions, perhaps. Related to that, I don't think any of the £15 seats at the NT should be put on sale until public booking opens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 16:11:26 GMT
☝️OMGay, did you write about 'Angels in America' @emicardiff ? Why didn't you say anything before? Bravo! Mainly an essay of 'Garfield Hair through the ages'
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Post by david on Feb 28, 2019 16:33:51 GMT
☝️OMGay, did you write about 'Angels in America' @emicardiff ? Why didn't you say anything before? Bravo! Mainly an essay of 'Garfield Hair through the ages' A hair raising experience?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 16:57:29 GMT
Mainly an essay of 'Garfield Hair through the ages' Orange with black stripes? Again waaaay off topic but the other week someone said to me 'Oh I'll remember your name, like the famous cartoonist' we went around the houses a bit and got to 'You know the one with the orange cat' ...before inevitably establishing, that the cat was called Garfield, not the cartoonist, and as I am not Mrs Andrew Garfield this was not my name either....
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Post by crowblack on Feb 28, 2019 17:02:32 GMT
Would be interesting to see what effect that has on their membership income... I'm curious, but it is frustrating to see theatres using the existence of these tickets as a symbol of greater accessibility when in reality they are probably mostly snapped up in advance by those with pockets deep enough to afford membership, which in the higher tiers for this and other theatres is pretty high.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 17:05:03 GMT
But many theatres need memberships to keep going no?
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