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Post by Stephen on May 9, 2018 3:45:31 GMT
Three part series starting (I think) this coming Sunday evening starring a cast which makes me very excited: Hugh Grant, Ben Whishaw, Patricia Hodge, Adrian Scarborough and Alex Jennings.
The series is about British MP Jeremy Thorpe who was tried and acquitted of plotting to murder his lover Norman Scott. This is a role i’ll be interested to see Hugh Grant in.
So a heads up about it for those not expecting it already and I look forward to discussing our thoughts afterwards...
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Post by n1david on May 9, 2018 7:45:23 GMT
No air date yet, beyond “later in May”. But yes, I’m very excited about it. I read a biography of Thorpe and he was a fascinating character, astonishing how he reacted to Scott and brought about his own downfall.
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Post by stefy69 on May 9, 2018 7:47:27 GMT
No air date yet, beyond “later in May”. But yes, I’m very excited about it. I read a biography of Thorpe and he was a fascinating character, astonishing how he reacted to Scott and brought about his own downfall. The case always reminds me of a modern Greek tragedy.
There was an interview with Norman Scott in one of the Sunday papers.
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Post by crowblack on May 9, 2018 8:02:21 GMT
This looks really tasty! The Radio Times website has a link to a longer trailer btw.
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Post by n1david on May 9, 2018 9:35:16 GMT
Starts a week on Sunday - 20 May on BBC1 at 9pm
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 9:50:49 GMT
I can't wait! Our MPs are so dull nowadays. I rather like it when they have a sex scandal.
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Post by TallPaul on May 9, 2018 12:22:43 GMT
Adapted by Russell T Davis. Directed by Stephen Frears.
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Post by stefy69 on May 10, 2018 5:44:45 GMT
Jeremy Thorpe always made me think he was a man out of his time he came over as more Edwardian than late 20th century- no bad thing I might add !
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Post by hal9000 on May 19, 2018 13:37:18 GMT
Hugh Grant killed it in another Frears production, FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS, and of course MAURICE, so I expect he’ll be great in this.
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Post by anthony40 on May 19, 2018 17:40:42 GMT
Russell T Davis was on The One Show the day talking about this.
To be honest, I'm surprised that Hugh Grant is doing this. Not because of the subject matter but because I was at the Q & A after the preview screening of Florence Foster Jenkins at the BFI and he said that (basically) he was retired now.
Given that statement I was equally surmised at his choice to do Paddington 2.
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Post by dontdreamit on May 19, 2018 17:48:16 GMT
Russell T Davis was on The One Show the day talking about this. To be honest, I'm surprised that Hugh Grant is doing this. Not because of the subject matter but because I was at the Q & A after the preview screening of Florence Foster Jenkins at the BFI and he said that (basically) he was retired now. Given that statement I was equally surmised at his choice to do Paddington 2. Do you think it may be due to all the children he’s had over the last few years? More expensive than you think before you have them!
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Post by kathryn on May 19, 2018 17:54:51 GMT
I think he kind of decided to retire unless the script was good enough to be worth the bother, and having let that be known, people suddenly started sending him really good scripts!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 21:32:03 GMT
I think it's because he was so glorious in Florence Foster Jenkins and reminded people that he could be quite fabulous in the right role that better scripts started coming in for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:23:34 GMT
Hugh who has always effectively played Hugh wasn't an obvious choice to play Thorpe who always looked a slightly slimy type which Hugh certainly isn't. The nearest actor who really looked like Thorpe in my mind was Milton Johns who used to play a lot of sycophantic characters back in the day but he would be much too old now.
But from the clips I've seen Hugh and the costume/make up people look as if they have done a great job and he bares an uncanny likeness to Thorpe and despite being 57 can realistically play Thorpe when he was in his 30's and 40's.
Hugh is probably at the stage of his career where he is looking for more challenging and quality roles and this could well be a contender come awards time if well received.
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Post by theatremadness on May 20, 2018 21:18:13 GMT
Well I thought that was sensational! The hour really flew by. The story in incredible and the writing, acting and music is really top notch. Can't wait for the rest!
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Post by tonyloco on May 20, 2018 22:54:34 GMT
Well I thought that was sensational! The hour really flew by. The story in incredible and the writing, acting and music is really top notch. Can't wait for the rest! I heartily agree – and I was around when the whole thing was happening for real. The amazing thing is how Hugh Grant has just become Jeremy Thorpe! I think the real Thorpe did actually appear to be older than he actually was, perhaps because as an MP and then leader of the Liberal Party he had to present a certain gravitas in his public life. One odd thought that occurred to me was that I couldn't help wondering whether, as in Shakespearian tragedy where there is a fatal flaw that causes the downfall of the main character, whether had Thorpe bothered to get a new National Insurance Card for Norman Josiffe/Scott as he was asked to do, whether all the followed might not have happened! Anyway, it's fascinating stuff, whichever way one looks at it!
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Post by theatremadness on May 20, 2018 23:19:49 GMT
Well I thought that was sensational! The hour really flew by. The story in incredible and the writing, acting and music is really top notch. Can't wait for the rest! I heartily agree – and I was around when the whole thing was happening for real. The amazing thing is how Hugh Grant has just become Jeremy Thorpe! I think the real Thorpe did actually appear to be older than he actually was, perhaps because as an MP and then leader of the Liberal Party he had to present a certain gravitas in his public life. One odd thought that occurred to me was that I couldn't help wondering whether, as in Shakespearian tragedy where there is a fatal flaw that causes the downfall of the main character, whether had Thorpe bothered to get a new National Insurance Card for Norman Josiffe/Scott as he was asked to do, whether all the followed might not have happened! Anyway, it's fascinating stuff, whichever way one looks at it! Haha yes that is a very good point about the NI card! And once the series is over, I know I'd definitely love to hear your views/opinions/anecdotes on the scandal having been around when it was happening! Actually, my parents shared an anecdote with me whilst we watched, as they also remember the scandal: They were at a New Year's Eve party somewhere, and Peter Cook was also there. They were singing Auld Lang Syne and my Dad went up to Peter Cook and asked, "Where's Dud?". Peter Cook replied: "He's got his fist up Jeremy Thorpe's arse".
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Post by Stephen on May 21, 2018 0:30:03 GMT
Splendid! Well paced too I thought. Some lovely tender moments alongside funny ones. Really like this cast. Excited for episode 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 3:30:05 GMT
Russell T Davis was on The One Show the day talking about this. To be honest, I'm surprised that Hugh Grant is doing this. Not because of the subject matter but because I was at the Q & A after the preview screening of Florence Foster Jenkins at the BFI and he said that (basically) he was retired now. Given that statement I was equally surmised at his choice to do Paddington 2. Do you think it may be due to all the children he’s had over the last few years? More expensive than you think before you have them! And he’s had them with different mothers. It must cost a bit to maintain different households.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 3:40:11 GMT
Well I thought that was sensational! The hour really flew by. The story in incredible and the writing, acting and music is really top notch. Can't wait for the rest! I heartily agree – and I was around when the whole thing was happening for real. The amazing thing is how Hugh Grant has just become Jeremy Thorpe! I think the real Thorpe did actually appear to be older than he actually was, perhaps because as an MP and then leader of the Liberal Party he had to present a certain gravitas in his public life. One odd thought that occurred to me was that I couldn't help wondering whether, as in Shakespearian tragedy where there is a fatal flaw that causes the downfall of the main character, whether had Thorpe bothered to get a new National Insurance Card for Norman Josiffe/Scott as he was asked to do, whether all the followed might not have happened! Anyway, it's fascinating stuff, whichever way one looks at it! I remember when the scandal broke too. I was still at school then. The thing I remember was how explicit all the accounts in the papers were. They quoted from Thorpe’s x-rated letters to Bunnie. It may be the way the press reported it but Scott came across as somewhat hysterical and unhinged. Thorpe was well liked by the public. Certainly my parents were on his side. This drama is great. Grant IS Thorpe.
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Post by alece10 on May 21, 2018 6:02:57 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed this as did most of the critics reviews I have read. Hugh Grant was excellent as Jeremy Thorpe and looked quite like him. The rest of the cast were also excellent. Some quite funny moments and the hour seemed to skip by. So well written. I was only young at the time but remember the scandal well and as a child met Peter Bessell played by Alex Jennings on several occasions. He was a very nice man from what I remember. Looking forward to next weeks episode.
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Post by joem on May 21, 2018 6:18:52 GMT
I enjoyed this. Hugh Grant certainly did well, not a trace of his normal acting persona. Funnily enough I wanted to write a play about Thorpe and had Rufus Sewell in mind as ideal casting but Grant did very well.
Jeremy Thorpe came across as a breath of fresh air set against the stuffier, older men he was up against (pun not intended) in Heath and Wilson. He dressed in an Edwardian manner and spoke posh but his mischievous sense of humour - "Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his life" - and gaiety (again unintentional) made him seem much more with it and led to the first Liberal mini-breakthrough.
Although it is fair enough to use it as such, if that is the director's intent, the insurance card was not a fatal flaw. The fatal flaw was to get himself involved with a nutter for the sake of a few shags. This, and the perceived invulnerability we have come to expect from MPs', is what showed his judgement to be very poor and makes him a side-note of history rather than a great lost leader. One can sympathise with the effect exposure would have had; a criminal prosecution, the end of his political career and financial ruin. But even if this bio does plump on the side that he was the inspiration for an attempted murder, rather than the alternative explanation that he only wanted to scare Scott, his behaviour when threatened was unacceptable.
Very much looking forward to the next episodes.
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Post by BoOverall on May 21, 2018 6:37:08 GMT
That was marvellous on so many levels. Loved every moment of it and cannot wait for next week’s episode.
Oh I wish I knew back when I was younger that a dubious book, mother’s cosy cottage and a jar of vaseline was the trick to seduction........
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 7:14:38 GMT
Hugh Grant is really coming into his own now that he is getting older. He seems to have felt cursed by his prettiness which, while it brought him fame and fortune, also gave him a career that he seemed to consider a bit superficial. Now he is getting work that he seems proud of. He should be proud of the plaudits he got for Paddington 2 and Florence Foster Jenkins. I have never been a fan of his because I’ve heard some not very nice things about him from friends (most of my friends are from the wrong side of the tracks compared to him) but it is pleasing to see an actor coming into their own as they get older - I wish the same for female performers in his age bracket.
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Post by crowblack on May 21, 2018 7:43:55 GMT
The fatal flaw was to get himself involved with a nutter for the sake of a few shags. I think "to have sexually exploited a poor and vulnerable young man" is a better way of putting it.
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