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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 7:01:03 GMT
Wasnt just me then... Oh and @ryan I'm with you, Reeve did a good job with what he had but the issue lies in him having very little to work with. Orpheus in this rendition is a very badly written character. "Hi, We've not met before but lets get married. Hang on though while I try write this song. Oh sh*t she's gone. Wait! Squeal. Cry. Turn."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 8:30:40 GMT
To be fair, none of the characters are particularly well written. Orpheus is a dreamy poet type so I think the way his character is written is perhaps the best of the lot and I think he pitches it just right. Eurydice is a different matter and I’m not sure whether that’s because the character is so all over the place or because Eva Noblezada plays every scene with the same blank expression like she’s just woken up and not had a coffee yet. She has a nice voice though.
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Post by partytentdown on Nov 21, 2018 9:12:14 GMT
Can anyone give me a bullet point explanation of the original myth? I've looked it up but it's very long...
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 21, 2018 9:20:38 GMT
Can anyone give me a bullet point explanation of the original myth? I've looked it up but it's very long... Orpheus is an incredible musician, so good that he can tame wild animals and move stones to tears with his lyre. He's in love with Eurydice, but on their wedding day she is bitten by a venomous snake and dies. Orpheus goes to Hades to get her back, tames Cerberus with his music and moves the god of the underworld to the point he accepts to let Eurydice go, at the condition that Orpheus won't turn to see if she is following him until they have left the underworld. A few steps before leaving Hades, Orpheus turns and Eurydice is lost for good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 9:52:09 GMT
Wasnt just me then... Oh and @ryan I'm with you, Reeve did a good job with what he had but the issue lies in him having very little to work with. Orpheus in this rendition is a very badly written character. "Hi, We've not met before but lets get married. Hang on though while I try write this song. Oh sh*t she's gone. Wait! Squeal. Cry. Turn." Totally not just you. Your lyrics are better than the musical. It was so “love dove glove” I was beginning to suspect James Blunt was involved.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 9:53:09 GMT
Gosh. I seem to be very much in the minority that liked Reeve Carney. I actually thought he was perfect casting in this. Vocally I also thought he had one of the more interesting voices in the cast too. I’m on Team Reeve. Not just you. I can confirm that the lady in the bag check also liked him because she told me when we were collecting our bags in the interval.
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Post by demonbarber on Nov 21, 2018 10:49:06 GMT
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Post by harlow on Nov 22, 2018 10:47:11 GMT
Gosh. I seem to be very much in the minority that liked Reeve Carney. I actually thought he was perfect casting in this. Vocally I also thought he had one of the more interesting voices in the cast too. I’m on Team Reeve. I’ll join you in that minority. The flaws I saw in his character were wholly due to the writing than the performance which I thought was pitched beautifully.
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Post by partytentdown on Nov 22, 2018 10:56:25 GMT
If anyone ends up with a cheapish ticket spare I'll take it off your hands!
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Post by artea on Nov 24, 2018 0:57:49 GMT
When Trevor Nunn took over the NT he was told to increase ticket sales. He did so - mainly by putting on a wonderful series of great musicals. Nicholas Hytner came in and promptly banned them, for being too popular presumably - though he could do with a bit of popular now at the Bridge. Rufus Norris finally reversed this policy when he brought in Follies. So to Hadestown. It's neither a play nor a musical and I fear it's irredeemable. It's a rock concert playing a short residency in a theatre for no apparent reason. It's a band, quite a lot of energetic if repetitive dancing in a sub-Madonna sort of way and singers singing unexceptional songs. I thought only the Fates sang really well, both individually and in harmony. The band even gets introduced at length at the start of the 2nd half, each of the instrumentalists doing the usual solo bit on mention of his/her name. It's a rock concert. We're expected to go wild. I fully expected "Well, hello London it's great to be here" but it didn't happen. It wouldn't have been out of place.
The Olivier stage is made smallish. The set is a reflection of the Olivier stalls with the band taking up much of the semi-circular space at the back. Principals and dancers are mainly kept to a small area at the front and revolves barely stop. Travel to the underworld is two-way, if I understood correctly. If you go down you can come back up no problem. Everything is designed to give the impression of lots happening for a purpose but it doesn't get anywhere. It's an awkward blind alley.
The sound is strange. Singing voices are over-amplified on top of the sound of the band. Voices and music remain separate throughout. It's artificial-sounding. There's a basso profundo doing a Lee Marvin in Wandering Star. His voice is a long way away from any other singer and doesn't harmonise easily. Eurydice is ok until she starts to push her voice. Some of the lyrics are just trite. I'm sure I heard "king of mortar, king of bricks [something something something] Styx". If you left at half-time (or think about leaving at half-time), be assured that nothing changes or gets better in the second half. There's even a scripted encore to keep you seated if you don't get out quickly. I expected musical theatre. I didn't expect an unexceptional rock concert.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 12:49:40 GMT
As suggested there is a real problem of people going because they think it’s a traditional musical. It clearly isn’t and, as with much of Chavkin’s other work, very much sui generis. It is also not a play with music either, or a concert.
The musicals became a feature during the Eyre regime, not the Nunn one, preceded by Eyre’s own Guys and Dolls during the Hall era. There was also the Sunday In the Park With George that fitted in well. Then came the era that is referenced in the above post. During that time Hytner’s Carousel stood out alongside some decent Sondheims.
Nunn then put on even more commercial fare such as Oklahoma (nicely done), a sparkling Candide and diminished artistic returns with those after. The economics forced them into it but I’m glad they stopped and did the shows which needed the oxygen instead such as Jerry Springer and London Road.
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Post by Steve on Nov 24, 2018 23:25:12 GMT
As suggested there is a real problem of people going because they think it’s a traditional musical. It clearly isn’t and, as with much of Chavkin’s other work, very much sui generis. It is also not a play with music either, or a concert. Yes, that resonates with me. This is not a traditional musical, with individualistic characterisations, "I want" songs, and a triumphant ending. Some spoilers follow. . . I mean, everyone knows the Orpheus myth is downbeat, off the bat, and the folk stuff is done universally, at the expense of characterisation, with group songs in a bar, presented as a universal life lesson. All the pleasures of characterisation and individualism are largely absent. And the life lesson is nuanced, with the conservative impulses of Hadestown not condemned outright, but explained, presented as a part of life. After all, it is Orpheus' own conservative cautiousness that results in his ultimate failure, so he is as much his own problem as Hadestown. In folk, it is the simple communal telling, rather than the nature, of the story that matters. An acquired taste perhaps, like gin.
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Post by michalnowicki on Nov 25, 2018 12:20:31 GMT
I have internet and a keyboard, so here we go: I saw this on Tuesday matinee as my first show of the most recent London trip. I sat in the stalls row K and had a perfect view of the stage (but I don’t think there is a bad seat in Olivier). I really like this show. I didn’t know much about it, apart from listening to the recording prior to seeing it. I liked how jazzy and folky the music sounded, I loved how flamboyant Andre de Shields was and how sassy the Fates were. Eva Noblezada has a great voice, but I agree that she tended to have the same blank/stern face throughout the show. Story-wise, I think this is a really nice retelling of the myth, but I felt that Hades-Persephone relationship was much more interesting that Orpheus-Euridice relationship. Maybe it’s just the age thing, that I connect more with the “old and seasoned” couple rather than with young lovers? Amber Grey and Patrick Page were sensational in their portrayals and in how much they put into their roles. I agree, that “Wait for me” should be the Act 1 finale and “Why do we build the wall” should open Act 2. But maybe this will be adapted for Broadway? I don’t think this is a ground-breaking musical, but it’s nice and melodic and clever. The {Spoiler}{Spoiler - click to view}"encore toast" was a really nice touch and it made me feel like a part of the show/community. If you happen to be in London, go and see it!
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Post by Dr Tom on Nov 27, 2018 17:46:07 GMT
Having seen the matinee today, I can understand the mixed reviews.
This isn’t a musical, just a series of linked songs with occasional very brief narration. Some of the songs are catchy, some you can’t make out the lyrics due to the volume of the band.
It’s one of those loose plots where you’re meant to make your own interpretation. Lots of religious analogies.
It is rather slow and would work better as a single act. But don’t worry if you’re a bit sleepy. There are dazzlingly bright lights shined at you regularly to keep you awake.
There’s an odd mix of modern and traditional costume and props, presumably to make it clear that this could take place anywhere and is timeless.
Pretty full for the matinee, maybe 20 seats free in the Stalls. I had an interesting seat at the side of the front row, positioned on what would have been a step, so raised up above the rest (as was the single row behind). Nice to be level with the stage. It is a bit of a side view, but that doesn’t matter.
I’m glad I went and I did appreciate this being something different and the talents of the cast. There are several actor musicians, as well as the talented band and all work hard. But not one for repeat viewing.
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Post by missthelma on Nov 27, 2018 19:31:12 GMT
I saw this as well this afternoon and thought it was fabulous! Obviously this will mean nothing to you all as this is my first post. So, hello!!
I was hesitant as this is not really in my wheelhouse but enjoyed it a lot. The second half dragged a bit and I found the repeated musical motifs a touch, well repetitive but was very impressed with the ensemble and the five leads. Andre De Shields was magnetic and I may be a little in love with Reeve Carney.
I found the music a fascinating mix of jazz, country, industrial punk and classical. I am intrigued to hear more of Anais Mitchell's work. The lighting whilst I agree startlingly bright at times was generally very impressive as was the set design
There was a mixed reaction from the audience, much cheering from the circle and a scattered ovation in the stalls but I noted a few walk outs at interval and the woman behind me expressed extreme displeasure during the break, but as her companion seemed keen, chose to just passively aggressively sigh throughout the second act effecting a constant tickle on the back of my neck
It seems an odd choice for the NT with a £64 top price, I myself am not in the first flush of youth but felt almost spring chicken like which would not seem to be the target audience. (I know I know, matinee and all that)
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Post by harlow on Nov 27, 2018 21:35:26 GMT
Reeve Carney was off tonight. No signs that I could see of who was in the role.
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Post by manu on Nov 27, 2018 21:59:10 GMT
Adam Gillian was Orpheus tonight
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Post by missthelma on Nov 27, 2018 22:20:16 GMT
Reeve Carney was off tonight. No signs that I could see of who was in the role. Ooh that's interesting. I thought his voice sounded strained at times this afternoon. But being unfamiliar with him as a vocalist, was not sure if that was natural sound. Given some of the shoulder shrugs about him on here, if indeed he was a bit vocally compromised this afternoon I should imagine he is more impressive at full voice (did I mention the little bit of love I may have started to feel?)
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Post by SamB (was badoerfan) on Nov 27, 2018 22:40:01 GMT
Saw this at the afternoon matinee today. A few very high points, a couple of great songs, but in all, over-long and bordering on tedious in parts. I loved Wait For Me. I loved Why We Build the Wall. I loved Doubt Comes In. I loved the entire last 20 minutes, when I finally started to care about Orpheus and Eurydice and all these people. But before that? No. No character motivation and over-long, uninteresting songs. I feel it has potential - it just needs tightening up, some songs shortening/cutting and others adding to flesh out the plot and the characters, especially early on. But the look and the staging of it is great {Spoiler - click to view} (I loved the lights flying in, and the use of the turntable and the 'drop' is really good) , and the performances are good, though some of the actors are doing their best with under-written parts.
2.5 stars out of 5.
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Post by bramble on Nov 28, 2018 10:49:36 GMT
I too saw the matinee and thoroughly enjoyed it, Something different extremely well done.
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Post by Mark on Nov 28, 2018 11:15:22 GMT
Lots of comments on BroadwayWorld pointing to this winning the Tony, and locks for the featured performances. I just don't see it to be honest, but then again I thought the worst show won last year.
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Post by raiseitup on Nov 28, 2018 17:05:13 GMT
Looks like Eva will be heading over to NY with this next year –
Do we think most of the current cast will reprise their roles in the Broadway production?
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Post by pianowithsam on Nov 28, 2018 17:10:23 GMT
Looks like Eva will be heading over to NY with this next year – Do we think most of the current cast will reprise their roles in the Broadway production? Haven't seen the show yet but I think they will reprise the roles. Almost certain.
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