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Post by Afriley on Aug 11, 2024 10:54:49 GMT
Basically yes.
You need a very very high tenor to pull off those high notes without the annoying strained breathiness.
Reeve was a lot less grating IMO.
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Post by danb on Aug 11, 2024 10:58:49 GMT
I remain mystified by his casting at all. It needs a singer that can act, not an actor who can just carry a tune.
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Post by Matt on Aug 11, 2024 17:13:13 GMT
I finally saw Hadestown earlier in the week through Rush and the only part I (also) didn't enjoy was the forced high pitched singing mainly in act 1 by Orpheus. Reminded me of the mating cry of foxes we get in our garden occasionally ! Am I right in thinking it's always performed like that ? Orpheus is a tenor with a must-have strong falsetto. |
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Post by blamerobots on Aug 11, 2024 20:33:16 GMT
Orpheus is a role that's almost gone out of control, which originated as a baritone with fair falsetto on the concept album to a high tenor with a stratospheric falsetto as it is today, so it has become really difficult to cast people as him.
It's partly a victim of the medium I suppose, as the album has Orpheus double tracked many times to create a unique sound as he is supposed to have a unique beautiful voice in mythology. On stage, that's impossible, so instead you get the incredibly high falsetto.
I won't say it is Reeve Carney's fault... but the role definitely seemed to develop more and more to be written for him and his massive range as the show went on. It reminds me a bit of the situation with JVJ and Colm Wilkinson.
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Post by danb on Aug 11, 2024 21:15:10 GMT
It isn’t Donal’s fault that he’s a bit hit and miss. He didn’t cast himself. Being able to sing something once is not the same as maintaining a gold standard for a six month stint.
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Post by blamerobots on Aug 11, 2024 21:44:57 GMT
It isn’t Donal’s fault that he’s a bit hit and miss. He didn’t cast himself. Being able to sing something once is not the same as maintaining a gold standard for a six month stint. It's such a high-demand role that's grown more and more high-demand as the years have gone by, it's no shock actors grow fatigued. I'm sure there's something to be said about rising musical theatre range roles and unrealistic singing expectations, but that's for another thread! |
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Post by johnie21 on Aug 12, 2024 19:21:34 GMT
New Orpheus and Eurydice being announced tomorrow x ✨
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Post by nash16 on Aug 13, 2024 3:50:38 GMT
New Orpheus and Eurydice being announced tomorrow x ✨ And the new Fate. 🤞 |
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Post by Sam on Aug 13, 2024 8:09:02 GMT
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Post by ladidah on Aug 13, 2024 8:13:23 GMT
I'm surprised at the Eurydice casting, I didn't think any of the fates were that good.
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Post by Afriley on Aug 13, 2024 8:16:37 GMT
Same: I saw Madeline and thought she was fine. But no desire to go back any time soon.
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Post by blamerobots on Aug 13, 2024 8:30:38 GMT
Madeline is simply wonderful. She'll be fantastic.
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Post by lolaluffneggle on Aug 13, 2024 8:50:00 GMT
I’ve been wanting to see this but this cast announcement is not making me run to see it
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Post by merrilywereadalong on Aug 13, 2024 8:55:01 GMT
oh man, I'm shocked.
With all due respect both times I've seen the show with both my partner and best friend we each came to the consensus that she was the weakest of the three fates and needed to be replaced. This was one of my only criticisms of the production as a whole.
She was consistently vocally under pitch at least both nights I saw it and brought down the other two in my opinion.
Assuming she must be more successful as eurydice than as a Fate
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Post by Dave B on Aug 13, 2024 9:05:09 GMT
BIG extension here too.
(my emphasis)
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Post by andrew on Aug 13, 2024 11:12:42 GMT
I’ve seen Madeline and let’s just say I’ll only revisit when Miriam or another Eurydice cover is on. I didn’t mind her as Fate, but she’s the weakest Eurydice I’ve ever seen - truly baffled by this casting choice.
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Post by sempala on Aug 13, 2024 12:12:00 GMT
As someone who saw the original london previews of the show, the Eurydice casting is odd to me. Originally the character was a lot more self righteous and edgy before the broadway changes. One of the removed lines was something like “but it’ll be different with me” once the reality of her working contract was revealed to her. The edits present a softer and more naive version of the character which arguably works better for investing the audience in the tragedy.
The way Madeline plays the character reminds me of the early previews version and I worry how this will play for general audiences. I think broadway has caught onto this with their casting of Maria who’s very Eva esque in her performance. I’m pretty surprised by the extension, but let’s see.
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Post by livingonstage on Aug 13, 2024 23:10:49 GMT
not seeing a lot of positivity in this thread so thought i’d share how EXCITED i am for maddie to take over as eurydice! she has been beautiful as fate 2 (and i will miss her spookiness very much) but her eurydice had me in AWE and she is more than deserving to be playing this role full time from the 27th
alongside her, i’m really looking forward to finally seeing dylan as orpheus as i already know he’ll be perfect! and the gorgeous francessca as our new fate 2, who is ALREADY looking stunning from the rehearsal pics. this is gonna be reallllllly good 🥹❤️
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Post by danb on Aug 14, 2024 5:35:01 GMT
That’s one of the biggest wishful thinking/blue sky extensions I’ve seen in a long time. Sure, its not tech heavy nor would I think that expensive to run (especially if every cast change is going to downgrade), but next September is proper reaching! Good luck to ‘em!
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Post by forfivemoreminutes on Aug 14, 2024 11:37:29 GMT
That’s one of the biggest wishful thinking/blue sky extensions I’ve seen in a long time. Sure, its not tech heavy nor would I think that expensive to run (especially if every cast change is going to downgrade), but next September is proper reaching! Good luck to ‘em! it's either selling almost to capacity or is sold out every night? only shows not doing as well are the weekday matinees, but it's certainly not a reach to extend that long. |
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Post by hadeswasking on Aug 14, 2024 11:38:30 GMT
That’s one of the biggest wishful thinking/blue sky extensions I’ve seen in a long time. Sure, its not tech heavy nor would I think that expensive to run (especially if every cast change is going to downgrade), but next September is proper reaching! Good luck to ‘em! As someone who's actually seen Dylan Wood in a production before, he's going to make a fantastic Orpheus and is certainly not a downgrade... Also you've seen the show right? Not tech-heavy? As for sales they've not even started discounting yet (some dynamic pricing going on but no proper sales on the usual sites). |
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Post by danb on Aug 14, 2024 12:21:55 GMT
That’s one of the biggest wishful thinking/blue sky extensions I’ve seen in a long time. Sure, its not tech heavy nor would I think that expensive to run (especially if every cast change is going to downgrade), but next September is proper reaching! Good luck to ‘em! As someone who's actually seen Dylan Wood in a production before, he's going to make a fantastic Orpheus and is certainly not a downgrade... Also you've seen the show right? Not tech-heavy? As for sales they've not even started discounting yet (some dynamic pricing going on but no proper sales on the usual sites). …erm yeah? What BTTF/Frozen sized automation am I meant to be looking at? Or did I miss that bit? Yes, the set opens up to a second state…whoop. It wasn’t meant as a dig at him & apologise to Dylan (who I HAVE seen in something), more that Broadway continue to announce exciting & interesting guest casts and we get a fate bumped up to replace a lead role. But you gate-keep away my love, thats fine. x |
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Post by forfivemoreminutes on Aug 14, 2024 12:37:49 GMT
As someone who's actually seen Dylan Wood in a production before, he's going to make a fantastic Orpheus and is certainly not a downgrade... Also you've seen the show right? Not tech-heavy? As for sales they've not even started discounting yet (some dynamic pricing going on but no proper sales on the usual sites). …erm yeah? What BTTF/Frozen sized automation am I meant to be looking at? Or did I miss that bit? Yes, the set opens up to a second state…whoop. It wasn’t meant as a dig at him & apologise to Dylan (who I HAVE seen in something), more that Broadway continue to announce exciting & interesting guest casts and we get a fate bumped up to replace a lead role. But you gate-keep away my love, thats fine. x a triple revolve/lift is still complicated tech even if it doesn't look fancy. massive automation isn't the only thing that makes a show technical |
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Post by hadeswasking on Aug 14, 2024 12:46:34 GMT
As someone who's actually seen Dylan Wood in a production before, he's going to make a fantastic Orpheus and is certainly not a downgrade... Also you've seen the show right? Not tech-heavy? As for sales they've not even started discounting yet (some dynamic pricing going on but no proper sales on the usual sites). …erm yeah? What BTTF/Frozen sized automation am I meant to be looking at? Or did I miss that bit? Yes, the set opens up to a second state…whoop. It wasn’t meant as a dig at him & apologise to Dylan (who I HAVE seen in something), more that Broadway continue to announce exciting & interesting guest casts and we get a fate bumped up to replace a lead role. But you gate-keep away my love, thats fine. x You sound like a modern day theatre producer. Put in some cheap looking projections to make it look complex! I'd argue Hadestown has the same amount if not more tech than Frozen. (Back to the Future is a different beast)... They don't need to start stunt-casting until its not selling and my point is that it was selling. Face the facts, even though I'm yet to see her, she went on as Eurydice due to Grace's absences A LOT. Although I agree there could've been a more exciting fresh take, the thing hasn't even been open a year yet. |
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Post by danb on Aug 14, 2024 12:47:28 GMT
…erm yeah? What BTTF/Frozen sized automation am I meant to be looking at? Or did I miss that bit? Yes, the set opens up to a second state…whoop. It wasn’t meant as a dig at him & apologise to Dylan (who I HAVE seen in something), more that Broadway continue to announce exciting & interesting guest casts and we get a fate bumped up to replace a lead role. But you gate-keep away my love, thats fine. x a triple revolve/lift is still complicated tech even if it doesn't look fancy. massive automation isn't the only thing that makes a show technical Hmph! Had rather forgotten the lift…don’t I look silly!? I guess the level of investment here rather precludes them from closing any time soon. |
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