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Post by Stephen on Mar 8, 2018 4:45:20 GMT
The running time online is now 2 hrs 30 mins including interval...
How much has been trimmed or rather shaved off!?
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Post by martin1965 on Mar 8, 2018 6:39:51 GMT
In all seriousness, reviews like this will make the tour more of a struggle to sell - even with it being Macbeth. Word of mouth and reviews seem to be utterly damning. And for all the talk of it being a set text - that isn't quite enough to sustain a lengthy tour. I guess some people might book out of morbid curiosity to see what a flop really looks like - but there probably aren't enough theatrical masochists out there. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the tour was curtailed/cancelled Was always risky to announce tour so early! |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Mar 8, 2018 6:48:20 GMT
Intrigued to see this (maybe I am a masochistic Theatre goer), maybe Rufus should have gone to see the post apocalyptic Macbeth (Devil You Know Theatre Company) at the Bussey Building last year which I thought worked OK, maybe easier to pull off in an intimate space.
With three Macbeth’s in the next week, hopefully one will hit the mark
Saturday
- Dance version at Wiltons
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- National Theatre
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- RSC
On setting, the Ninagawa production at the Barbican was sublime, an British interpretation of this staging would be a must see, the visuals and score were perfect, the adagio and blossoms were achingly beautiful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 6:56:30 GMT
Just ditched my ticket, life's too short!
I see from my booking confirmation that they were restricting tickets for this to 4 per customer.
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Post by Ade on Mar 8, 2018 7:02:30 GMT
Just ditched my ticket, life's too short! I see from my booking confirmation that they were restricting tickets for this to 4 per customer. Same here, which I don’t like to do. But after hoping that Shakespeare would force Rufus to create something half-decent, it seems my hopes were misguided. I’m just going to flat out avoid his productions from now on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 7:15:22 GMT
Oh dear. I wonder if the cast and crew will all be wearing their Opening Night gifts this morning...   |
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Post by Jan on Mar 8, 2018 7:46:16 GMT
Reviews not good for this. Must be depressing for the cast to know they have signed up for a regional tour of it. Macbeth is almost always better in a small space, pity Norris has banned Shakespeare from the Cottesloe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 8:09:55 GMT
It's ironic how it is unlucky to say macbeth in a theatre because it means your show will not be succesful and then you will get replaced with macbeth as that is a popular show and short Shakespeare that will do well. That can't even save this production.
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Post by bob2010 on Mar 8, 2018 8:30:14 GMT
Got 4 stars in the Metro
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 8, 2018 9:20:22 GMT
No creatives or actors go into rehearsal to create poor or misconceived work, so initially at least they must be "on board" with the directors vision. The director has to be "in charge" - so there can be no management by committee in theatre but it should be a collaborative process.
The design, theme, setting of the piece will have been discussed at production meetings - long before even the rehearsal process begins.
So with all the experienced creatives and actors involved - surely at some point someone says something along the lines of "I don't think this is working?" Perhaps they don't?
But experienced actors must know they are in a dud? They are probably grateful for the work - it pays the rent, the NT is a prestigious credit to have on their CV's, and there will be camaraderie (hopefully) among the company.
It has probably been a bitch fest in the dressing rooms/green room/pub/someone's flat among the cast! " What's with all the plastic bags? - Hasn't Rufus watched Blue Planet?" " He's got me running up and down that ramp and round in circles like a lunatic". "He's got me up a pole!!" "Have you seen the state of my costume?" "Where are we supposed to be?"
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Post by crowblack on Mar 8, 2018 9:26:05 GMT
Heck no, I'm pretty skint so I usually take my own cake and sandwiches or duck past the Japan Centre on Panton Street and pick up some goodies (they've got posher premises but are still relatively cheap) |
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Post by partytentdown on Mar 8, 2018 9:27:31 GMT
Not one usually to be swayed by reviews but this seems pretty unanimous. Life's too short. Will give the Box Office returns line a ring at 10...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 9:33:39 GMT
Well, it's still pretty much sold out so commercially not a failure, at least - there's a limit to how many people will return a ticket.
My friend still wants to go so I'm keeping mine...!
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Post by cirque on Mar 8, 2018 9:43:45 GMT
Well.....like to be a fly on the wall in RSC admin today.....looks like they cant fail.
Interesting interview today with new Duchess in The Stage seeming to suggest Erica Whyman is the great boss.Come on Greg...show some spirit.
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Post by Jan on Mar 8, 2018 9:50:07 GMT
No creatives or actors go into rehearsal to create poor or misconceived work, so initially at least they must be "on board" with the directors vision. The director has to be "in charge" - so there can be no management by committee in theatre but it should be a collaborative process. The design, theme, setting of the piece will have been discussed at production meetings - long before even the rehearsal process begins. So with all the experienced creatives and actors involved - surely at some point someone says something along the lines of "I don't think this is working?" Perhaps they don't? Sher has spoken interestingly about the RSC production where he played Malvolio as a genuinely mad Greek Orthodox priest in a production set on a Mediterranean island. It wasn't until the previews in front of an audience he realised his performance was a disaster "and by then it was too late". I guess decisions on the set and so on just can't easily be changed - RSC used to do it occasionally for the London transfer of a Stratford production where they had enough time (and Sher got replaced for that particular Twelfth Night transfer). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 9:59:18 GMT
It was like sh*tting out a whole packet of Drawing pins Swallowed whilst being severely constipated Oh I do so hope they use this as one of the promotional taglines, it's quite frankly one of my favourite posts for a long time. Thank you P. Also if anybody could give my usual loud noise warnings that would be wonderful. As always I thank you for this as it makes my trips to the theatre much more pleasurable! Only @parsley's reaction. |
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Post by cirque on Mar 8, 2018 10:11:24 GMT
superb Macbeth on in Paris...Odeon.Worth a Eurostar trip.
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Post by Jan on Mar 8, 2018 10:31:30 GMT
Wonder why Norris directed this at all, maybe no-one else would. At one point years ago there was supposed to be a Katie Mitchell production of it which seems like a potentially good fit (or a disaster, one of the two). On paper the upcoming RSC one looks much stronger and if so the critics will get a second opportunity to rubbish the NT one.
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Post by crowblack on Mar 8, 2018 10:46:38 GMT
Well, I used to have ducks! My cousin would sometimes take his goat nightclubbing... |
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Post by crowblack on Mar 8, 2018 10:58:08 GMT
I think I'll cancel and go to The Prudes instead.
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Post by zahidf on Mar 8, 2018 11:00:36 GMT
I got credit: life is too short for a rubbish version of a play ive seen loads!
Hopefully the RSC Macbeth makes it to London
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Post by basi1faw1ty on Mar 8, 2018 11:00:39 GMT
I've been quietly observing from the sidelines as this went on and was anticipating the reviews to be bad, but I didn't expect it to be absolutely slaughtered like this! What a trainwreck!
Poor Duff and Kinnear. They deserve much better.
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Post by Spectator on Mar 8, 2018 11:18:25 GMT
Sad to see the reviews; this genuinely isn’t that bad and the central performances alone make it more than solid.
The length was far and away the biggest issue when I saw it last week (2 hours 50) and it sounds as if that’s being addressed.
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Post by Being Alive on Mar 8, 2018 11:36:46 GMT
Gosh, this really is being ripped to shreds!
I mean, I've got an Entry Pass ticket, so I'll still go as it was £7.50, and I'm already seeing a matinee the day I've got tickets for too. But I'm not looking forward to this now (I'm seeing the RSC one in a few weeks too, before the NT's).
#prayforrufus
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Post by theatremadness on Mar 8, 2018 11:43:56 GMT
Does anyone know the penalty For an actor leaving a show Before the end of a run Is it something you can do Go off sick Or leave due to disgrace Can any professional actors shed light Obviously it’s different than the purely commercial Where a show might close due to profit reasons But in a subsidised venue Are they so glad of the work they will just carry on? Also as an actor At what stage do you realise the show is in a mess And it’s too far gone And also doesn’t the director get someone to watch the show and run their concepts past a colleague? Who may say We have a problem.... It’s amazing that such things are allowed to happen Obviously, it's hard to guess at the National's policy not having worked there, but usually a contract will have been signed and will include the inclusive dates the actor is contractually obliged to work for. Obviously an actor may be "let go" from their contract should they be doing anything deemed unacceptable. Maybe that's a way to get out of a show you don't want to be doing anymore but I doubt the company and their agent would be very happy and it would seriously harm the actors reputation (even more-so than appearing in a bad production at the Olivier)!! There have, I guess, been occasions where it has been mutually agreed between the company and the actor that an actor may be released from the contract, but I reckon those were under extenuating circumstances where it was mutually beneficial. The only instance I can (publicly) remember was Bryan Dick being released from his contract to play Arthur Kipps in Half A Sixpence at Chichester so he could appear in Hobson's Choice at the Vaudeville, which CamMack was, I'm sure, more than happy to oblige with once they'd discovered Charlie Stemp! Anyway, I digress, and unless the National pulls the show completely (that's one way to get out of it!), the actors will be in it for the long haul. |
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