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Post by crabtree on Mar 7, 2018 21:59:08 GMT
A very interesting subject about what a director does - I think his role is to bring out the layers and meanings of the play to us, an audience in 2018, and it makes total sense to me to have three nurses on the battlefield - we are in a war, and they would be tending the wounded. But even if they were children or puppets, both of which I have seen, they are metaphors. They are a device for the seeds in Macbeth's psyche to germinate. They are The Mousetrap, or the woods in the dream, or Hamlet's Ghost - artificial things that bring the audience up to date and allow another layer to comment on the plot, usually truthfully. but yes I do enjoy traditional productions as well, and some plays suit reinvention more than others. I'd be disappointed to see a period Twelfth Night now, but more a play that brings out its' inherent celebration of bisexuality. I enjoy the artifice of theatre, not the slavish copy of reality, and whatever it takes for me to know and understand those wonderful characters and their dilemmas is alright by me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 22:26:58 GMT
After sitting through this tonight
What is clear to me
Is that Rufus Norris has no shame
No respect for his audiences
And a complete lack of any insight
How he can sleep at night and think he is capable as director at the NT
Amazes me
Just watch his bullsh*t in the video feature on the NT website
Talking about natural disasters and nature turning against us....
WTF and where did he utilise that in his show??
He is not worthy to wipe Shakespeare’s arse
Let alone hold his play in his hands
It was like sh*tting out a whole packet of
Drawing pins
Swallowed whilst being severely constipated
The acting will go down as some of the worst at the NT
As they are too busy ticking the diversity boxes
The actual presence of any acting ability is now secondary
The mixture of regional accents can be harnessed in a show
Here it comes across as a community hall affair
It’s only when you see some of the RSC shows
That you see how the minor roles
Which can be taken for granted
Are actually so important
Kinnear and Duff are stranded amidst the mess and neither is a strong enough actor to be able to rise above it
Duff makes one awful career choice after another
Kinnear does his same strained acting and I have never rated him as stage presence anyway
The set design is ugly
And whilst it could be utilitarian
It just looks cheap
There is no concept of time
Setting
Location
Yet due to the awful costumes
And set
Neither do we feel
It’s other worldly
The direction...
There is none
People running about
Lack of any sort of blocking
Thought process
It’s the worst Macbeth
And the worst professional Shakespeare
I have ever seen
There is no concept
No coherent play
Nothing
So many people ran for it at the interval
Was noticeable in the auditorium
The irony is
As Rufus Norris
Has no insight
And no shame
And can’t even present a basic staging
He won’t be able to appreciate the upset and distress he causes
Offering up such excrement
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Post by Polly1 on Mar 7, 2018 22:29:08 GMT
Tweets from Ann Treneman ("I havent held back") and Nancy Durrant ("I have Strong Views...you have been warned") sound ominous! Reviews embargoed until midnight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 22:32:21 GMT
Tweets from Ann Treneman ("I havent held back") and Nancy Durrant ("I have Strong Views...you have been warned") sound ominous! Reviews embargoed until midnight. Interspersed with retweets of a Rory Kinnear interview headlined 'it doesn't get better than this'... I feel guilty about looking forward to the reviews! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 22:58:27 GMT
Running time Magically reduced From 2h 55 To 2h 30 includes interval Am going to see the whole Thing tonight 😒 Reduced just in time for Press Night. Please let us know the actual running time once you've seen it. The National have a tendency to stating imaginary running times for their less great (and long) productions to lure us in! It was exactly 2h 30 |
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Post by theatremadness on Mar 7, 2018 23:01:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:06:00 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 7, 2018 23:06:33 GMT
Wow - she didn't hold back...
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Post by theatremadness on Mar 7, 2018 23:09:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:19:11 GMT
Wow these reviews are certainly something. You would wonder wow can you mess up Macbeth, but it seems we have found out. Personally I think some the reviews are a bit harsh as in my opinion it was not like any if the performances were terrible and excruciating , all just alright. This does not bode well for the tour , wonder if they might scrap it?
If I'm honest my favourite part if the show was the cardboard box and that really does tell you something about the show.
atleast this will probably be a production that is talked about in the future and for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:25:48 GMT
It's easy to mess up Macbeth. People take it for granted and don't try, or they take a gamble that wasn't worth taking. Same with Midsummer. I know you should be able to "trust the text" but it's still just the text, you still need a solid and cohesive production to back it up. The Shakespeare play least likely to be messed up in my experience is Shrew, because it is so much messier on the page that you do have to put the extra effort in, and 9 times out of 10 that effort pays off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:42:08 GMT
It's easy to mess up Macbeth. People take it for granted and don't try, or they take a gamble that wasn't worth taking. Same with Midsummer. I know you should be able to "trust the text" but it's still just the text, you still need a solid and cohesive production to back it up. The Shakespeare play least likely to be messed up in my experience is Shrew, because it is so much messier on the page that you do have to put the extra effort in, and 9 times out of 10 that effort pays off. It’s not easy to sh*t it up As badly as Norris has done |
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Post by crabtree on Mar 7, 2018 23:45:29 GMT
And they have got a year of this to look forward to......this does not sound an uncluttered Macbeth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:48:02 GMT
There’s a very good reason why the play is linked to bad things happening and with so many superstitions around it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:49:22 GMT
And they have got a year of this to look forward to......this does not sound an uncluttered Macbeth. If I was in the play I would leave Pull a sickie I could not imagine being so desperate for work That I would appear in it The grossest insult That it is going on tour Rufus Norris Must be so proud To be showing this off around the country Thank goodness the RSC staging will be coming to Barbican |
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 7, 2018 23:59:25 GMT
Well, from being completely "sold out" according to the NT website BEFORE this opened there seem to be tickets available for all performances AFTER it's opened. The box office has clearly been busy ....with returns!
What a disaster....It's been a while since I have seen such unanimously poor reviews!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 0:01:22 GMT
one star
WOS
two stars
Guardian
Telegraph
The stage
The upcoming
Broadway world
“Muddled and ugly”
“Is this a dud which I see before me?”
“Underpowered”
“Misses the poetry”
Part of me thinks
The NT should have the arts subsidy taken away
Until the AD has had a good long think
I pity the poor people who have paid £50
For this
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 8, 2018 0:04:57 GMT
I pity the poor actors having to do this night after night after night. It's going to be long few months......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 0:11:58 GMT
I pity the poor actors having to do this night after night after night. It's going to be long few months...... They can leave if they really want No one should have to stay in such a sh*t job I am sure the run will be curtailed And it’s difficult to see the tour going ahead really |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 0:18:10 GMT
one star WOS two stars Guardian Telegraph The stage The upcoming Broadway world “Muddled and ugly” “Is this a dud which I see before me?” “Underpowered” “Misses the poetry” Part of me thinks The NT should have the arts subsidy taken away Until the AD has had a good long think I pity the poor people who have paid £50 For this The times 2 stars We are just waiting for The Independant and FT Some of the press comments I heard this evening Were brutal I am not sure how Norris will show his face anywhere at the NT for weeks |
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Post by underthestudy on Mar 8, 2018 0:19:34 GMT
I pity parsley's keyboard. It thinks it is an expert so writes in a quasi verse style.
This prod is obviously on the rocks early on, but the delight some posters take in its deemed failure is beyond childish.
Anyway. My first post.
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Post by nash16 on Mar 8, 2018 0:29:13 GMT
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Post by bob2010 on Mar 8, 2018 0:34:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 0:41:14 GMT
I pity parsley's keyboard. It thinks it is an expert so writes in a quasi verse style. This prod is obviously on the rocks early on, but the delight some posters take in its deemed failure is beyond childish. Anyway. My first post. Not really Rufus Norris needs to be able to take the criticism Have you seen the production? I doubt it He is the AD of the place And needs putting in his lowly place He is directing this A much heralded and advertised Well known play And he f***ed it up And we all knew he would He had all the resources and help he could have wanted at his disposal What does that tell you? He is just incapable and incompetent What’s not to enjoy?? Apparently it was 10 years in the making Him directing Macbeth 😂😂😂😂 I give enough money to the NT And their gob is always wide open Even that’s not enough They always want more Why shouldn’t I have my Say?? The production is an insult To my intelligence and senses In fact to anyone who values theatre of quality and decency And the perpetrator should be named He is a disgrace to call himself A director Let alone be in charge of anything |
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Post by crowblack on Mar 8, 2018 0:42:03 GMT
I returned my expensive ticket for a £15 one a few days ago - there were a few front £15's popping up. I've already booked my train tickets but the date is a while off yet - it may improve, or I might swap for Absolute Hell if a reasonably priced ticket for that pops up and reviews are good.
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