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Post by stevemar on Mar 27, 2018 21:22:48 GMT
Thanks Rory and N1 David for the clips (starts at 6 mins into Front Row) and article. Particularly on the audio clip, the contrast in the accents and the sense of place comes across probably greater as I’m not distracted by looking at the actors.
I see they they are really emphasising the contrast between London and the rest of the country in the publicity material.
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Post by stevemar on Mar 27, 2018 21:24:16 GMT
I loved this at the Donmar, thought seriously about heading up to Sheffield to see again, but such a short run there... Ah, but it might be your only chance with this exquisite cast and production..
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 27, 2018 21:27:17 GMT
Been to the first preview tonight. Definitely go for those temporary seats. They’re very comfy and have huge amounts of legroom. They’ve reduced the size of the thrust by at least half but even then there’s still s good 8 feet or more between the front of the stage and row AA. The last few rows have been curtained off and it’s still “rattling” a bit in the space so Id go for the front.
I was a bit disappointed after Act 1 after all the glowing reviews. All that “Nay don’t fret, ‘ave already put your tea up” and “is kettle on Mother?” Doesn’t work up here because yes, lots of us really speak like that. It was ok but I couldn’t help thinking of the W1 set marvelling at the funny accents. Happier with the intensity of act 2 and really enjoyed it by the end but five stars? Not for me.
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Post by n1david on Mar 27, 2018 22:08:55 GMT
I was a bit disappointed after Act 1 after all the glowing reviews. All that “Nay don’t fret, ‘ave already put your tea up” and “is kettle on Mother?” Doesn’t work up here because yes, lots of us really speak like that. It was ok but I couldn’t help thinking of the W1 set marvelling at the funny accents. Happier with the intensity of act 2 and really enjoyed it by the end but five stars? Not for me. Darling, the Donmar and the West End are in WC1. W1 is Paddington, which is practically the suburbs. Happy to help Seriously, your response was one of the reasons why I was interested in seeing this up in Sheffield. My sister lives just outside Sheffield so I've been to the Crucible a bunch of times, and did wonder how the local references which were regarded as inherently humorous in London would play up there. My feeling was it could have gone either way - depends on the relevance and appropriateness of local references. Ultimately it was the quality of the two lead performances which won me over.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 27, 2018 22:37:57 GMT
I just thought the whole “northern” thing was a bit over played. It’s probably me. I’ve probably got a hideous chip on my shoulder or something 🙂.
I agree the acting was good. It’s a classy production all round.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 14:43:41 GMT
I’ve probably got a hideous chip on my shoulder Bet it's got mushy peas and gravy on it, too. Ha! I imagine that Benny Batt won't want to see another pea or mashed potato once this run is over. He wolfs that plate down night after night.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 28, 2018 15:39:32 GMT
Not to mention pie with evap.
They should do tinned peaches and carnation in little tubs at the interval.
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Post by grannyjx6 on Mar 30, 2018 21:53:06 GMT
Been to the first preview tonight. Definitely go for those temporary seats. They’re very comfy and have huge amounts of legroom. They’ve reduced the size of the thrust by at least half but even then there’s still s good 8 feet or more between the front of the stage and row AA. The last few rows have been curtained off and it’s still “rattling” a bit in the space so Id go for the front. I was a bit disappointed after Act 1 after all the glowing reviews. All that “Nay don’t fret, ‘ave already put your tea up” and “is kettle on Mother?” Doesn’t work up here because yes, lots of us really speak like that. It was ok but I couldn’t help thinking of the W1 set marvelling at the funny accents. Happier with the intensity of act 2 and really enjoyed it by the end but five stars? Not for me.
I was disappointed yesterday Burly, in fact for about 5 minutes, I thought they had forgotten their words, there were such long pauses. The chap next to me thought it was wonderful (but he wasn't a Sheffielder either, so maybe there is something in what you say). It's a short play, just two hours including the interval but it could have been done in much less time in my opinion as there wasn't really much of a story. Unless you call filling a kettle up to make tea and watching someone with poor table manners scoff their dinner interesting.
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Post by stevemar on Mar 31, 2018 5:12:01 GMT
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Post by Jonnyboy on Mar 31, 2018 14:22:16 GMT
Interval. This is achingly beautiful. I adore it already.
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Post by crabtree on Mar 31, 2018 18:23:36 GMT
Hi Jonnyboy, and I was at the same performance, on a jolly over from Manchester. Where were you sat? I can imagine it being even more tender in a smaller space, but heck, I was in that room, enjoying every smile, every held silence, willing the gents to stay together. I was with a German friend and had to explain what a Mystery play was and that we were unlikely to have any dead bodies. But everyone was fantastic, even if the smaller characters didn't particularly have their own arcs, but the John and George story was achingly moving. A lovely production, please go.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Mar 31, 2018 20:35:24 GMT
Hi Jonnyboy, and I was at the same performance, on a jolly over from Manchester. Where were you sat? I can imagine it being even more tender in a smaller space, but heck, I was in that room, enjoying every smile, every held silence, willing the gents to stay together. I was with a German friend and had to explain what a Mystery play was and that we were unlikely to have any dead bodies. But everyone was fantastic, even if the smaller characters didn't particularly have their own arcs, but the John and George story was achingly moving. A lovely production, please go. Aww I was over from Manchester too! My first visit to the Crucible! I was on the front row of seats - the temporary ones - and the view was perfect. I loved the whole thing. Impeccably acted and so so moving. The two male leads are still going round and round my head. And I have a mega crush on JB now. Very cute and such a fine actor. I just wish I could see it again. Outstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 21:19:41 GMT
I am very jealous... Another one I let slip away when it was on in London. 😞
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Post by Rory on Mar 31, 2018 23:43:51 GMT
I am very jealous... Another one I let slip away when it was on in London. 😞 Oh, don't! Same here. It's now rocketed right to the top of my "gutted I didn't organise myself to see it" list. I kick myself every time I read the superlatives on this thread. Won't believe it if the Donmar and Sheffield don't give more people a chance to see this in some form or another.
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Post by crabtree on Apr 1, 2018 9:28:40 GMT
Did anyone work part George was playing in the Mystery Play. They said that there was no Pontius Pilate. Maybe Herod, but the soldier at the cross wouldn't justify all the praise given him. I so loved this production, and the two leads perfect in their silent looks, and yes both were truly beautiful men.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 20:01:13 GMT
Well that was a bit good! Saw it this afternoon and really liked it.
I especially liked the young lad (he's probably 25 or something!) playing the nephew. I really liked how he was copying mannerisms of the older men, like a young lad trying to look grown up.
And now I really really want to rewatch those mystery plays from the early 80s at the National (or was it the Barbican?) with Brian Glover and Eve Matheson.
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 8, 2018 10:12:15 GMT
I'm a little afraid to admit this, considering the near universal praise it's received both generally and on the Board, but on balance, I think I fall into the BurlyBeaR and grannyjx6 camp. It was less of a play, and more of a documentary. That said, it was very well received by the large Saturday audience, which laughed in all the right places, and applauded with gusto, as did I. I don't want this thread to end negatively, so would someone please post something positive!!!
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Post by Jonnyboy on Apr 8, 2018 10:15:52 GMT
I don't want this thread to end negatively, so would someone please post something positive!!! Okay! I bloody loved it!
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Post by stevemar on Apr 8, 2018 11:12:30 GMT
I went to Sheffield to see this yesterday. Comparing it to the Donmar production, as you’d expect, it was a little less subtle given the larger auditorium. The set looked quite small and I was a little worried that it wouldn’t be as good. The audience laughed a lot more than my viewings in London - notably at the Yorkshire vs London references, and the excellent delivery by all of the cast, but particularly Lesley Nichol.
The pay-off to the “bigger” performances was in act 2 - the desperation and sadness in George’s face almost thoughout the second half, the anger and frustration in their final exchanges in particular came across more so than at the Donmar, but also the passion between them, and the feeling of loss seem greater than ever. I’m afraid I became more certain that there wasn’t an alternative happy ending for John and George. George would end up alone and regretting his decision, maybe Doreen who I think also loved him (more caringly than pasionately) would compromise and marry someone else, and John move on, but always hold a special place for George. Achingly heartbreaking but such a wonderful production and play.
Oh go on, for the forum, maybe John moved to York, started his own theatre company and George joined and pursued his new career as an actor and they had the best of both worlds visiting friends in London and living together on the farm when they weren’t working in York.
PS. I understand the young lad playing the nephew was making his stage debut. PPS. In an interview somewhere I posted, George is referred to as playing one of the soldiers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 11:15:09 GMT
I think it's more likely that John would end up alone and regretting it than George. George seems fully aware of what his life choices will lead to, whereas I fear John will forever be searching for Something and just never quite realise he could have had it if he'd been brave enough to choose George.
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Post by stevemar on Apr 8, 2018 11:22:41 GMT
I think it's more likely that John would end up alone and regretting it than George. George seems fully aware of what his life choices will lead to, whereas I fear John will forever be searching for Something and just never quite realise he could have had it if he'd been brave enough to choose George. I think both would have ended up alone.. George was certainly aware of his choices, but couldn’t see a way out from the farm, his life there and his “lack of ambition”. John may well have had a series of other relationships and regret his choice, but realise that he would never find “the one”. Finally, in better times, they might have been reunited?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 11:28:51 GMT
I don't doubt that George also ended up alone, but I believe he would have made his peace with it in a way I don't think John could. So emphasis on "regretting it" rather than "alone". I am now visualising a much older John, nearing retirement, returning to the farm and realising that *that's* the home he's been searching for all this time, and never leaving again.
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Post by stevemar on Apr 8, 2018 12:35:39 GMT
I don't doubt that George also ended up alone, but I believe he would have made his peace with it in a way I don't think John could. So emphasis on "regretting it" rather than "alone". I am now visualising a much older John, nearing retirement, returning to the farm and realising that *that's* the home he's been searching for all this time, and never leaving again. I do like your ending Baemax, where John had learned something from his life and the regrets of the past. Maybe on his return to the farmhouse, the range would still be there, and George would be sitting there at peace. And Doreen would be married to someone else, but still tending the garden. Although, I’d have liked John and George to find each other sooner 😢 By his nature, George would have made peace with the end of the relationship - he doesn’t “delve” (in his own words) into things or overthink as much as John. So, I think he would ultimately have been alright, even though the experience would have changed him forever, and he would have actually thought about things more than he used to (as seen by his heartbroken expression at the end of the play). “Foxes have dens have they, Birds have their nests so gay, But the son of man this day Has not where his head may rest.” I think this means that there is suffering and pain to be experienced still, but the religious connotation is that he and John are refugees almost in that world, with no real home for themselves?
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