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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 16:16:50 GMT
Oh come on Phantom you should know better than that give this board an inch...we'll review your toilets for a mile. (Also at the risk of sparking another debate, if you were a woman you'd sure as hell have a lot stronger thoughts on the toilet situation in venues!!) And ETA as I never buy drinks in the theatre (save coffees in those venues who offer it) toilets and general 'room to move' are my only real concerns in venues, outside 'how numb does my arse get' There has been seperate threads in the past about toilets, if I recall correctly 'The Toilet Jinx' being one, however you could have a theatre that has perfectly reasonable toilets, but other awful guest facilities, don't want to just get bogged down on toilets. *Sniggers* Bogged down. Anyway, do lighten up ...if you want a serious discussion I might respectfully suggest you're in the wrong place? (or perhaps consider a career change to buildings inspector?!)
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Post by rumbledoll on Jan 9, 2018 17:24:15 GMT
Judging by personal experience only: Worst: Old Vic (poor facilities, nowhere to sit and wait, foyer is suffocating, cloackroom too expensive, BO staff often lack knowledge and too slow) Donmar - just totally user-unfriendly on every possible level Best: The National (once you know you way around the building feels like second home, tasty cheap food at The Kitchen, tickets self-collecting machines, sockets, free exhibitions to kill time) The Bridge (BO and users all smiles and super helpful, spacious bathrooms, loads of light (and beautiful too!), comfy seats, long bar). Royal Court: amazing vibe about this place, overall welcoming, great food, staff always ready to help, lovely little bookshop and free playtexts at SD if you are lucky
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Post by profquatermass on Jan 9, 2018 18:50:58 GMT
That would probably be top of my list of least favourite West End theatres, and I'm having to put up with it an awful lot at the moment! I can't decide if I dislike the lobby or the loos the most. Not withstanding the gaffer tape to hold the carpet together. The Bush is rather nice - lots of cafe space especially in Summer when you can sit outside The Tristan Bates has enough loos and a cheap bar The Union has a nice cafe and friendly staff and they've pioneered the unisex loo The Bush is a nice venue, the only gripe for me is getting there, anything more than 1 change on public transport I seriously lose interest and the Bush is 2 changes. Oddly enough I prefer the old Union, in the new one in the auditorium has serious heat issues in the summer and if you sit stage right, the orchestra drowns out the singing. The toilets and the cafe are very nice though. The old Union had precisely one ladies' loo. IIRC it had washbasin inside the cubicle so you had to queue up not just for the loo but for people washing their hands. Though I might be misremembering - the loo was so sordid it may well not have had running water...
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Post by Tibidabo on Jan 9, 2018 18:55:41 GMT
Ok, you dangled so I'll bite, as I presume you're expecting a chain reaction Monkey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 19:01:52 GMT
Ok, you dangled so I'll bite, as I presume you're expecting a chain reaction Monkey. Butt seriously are we really dumping everything on the toilet facilities. That seems a bum deal...
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Post by peggs on Jan 9, 2018 20:13:12 GMT
Oh, and just to throw in, that the Royal Albert Hall was build without facilities for ladies, as in those days it was believed that a lady would NEVER require facilities when out in public. The Flatiron Building in New York was the same, as were many others. Really? Presumably woman didn't hydrate in those days either. Is that likely to be true for other older buildings thus explaining the few squeezed in toilets we get?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 21:29:24 GMT
Is that likely to be true for other older buildings thus explaining the few squeezed in toilets we get? I think the reason is that toilets aren't revenue-generating spaces so they get crammed into the least desirable locations.
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Post by peggs on Jan 9, 2018 22:01:46 GMT
Is that likely to be true for other older buildings thus explaining the few squeezed in toilets we get? I think the reason is that toilets aren't revenue-generating spaces so they get crammed into the least desirable locations. Except in a round about way they are, i'm not going to spend lots of money on drinks in a place if you then have to queue for ages for a toilet. Ok, I am a cheap skate and always take tap water but if we ignore that factor......... in a similar way if there's waiting room i'm more likely to go early and succumb to something like a programme, if it's squash room only i'm likely to leave it much later.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 9, 2018 22:08:08 GMT
Indeed, the nice thing about The Bridge having fab loos is that you don’t spend the entire interval queuing for them, and so have time for a cup of tea/glass of wine and madeleines.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 10, 2018 0:17:48 GMT
The Bridge is excellent, after all it is a theatre that speaks for its time and is designed for a 21sr century audience, where some theatres featured on this thread were aimed at a 19th century Victorian audience.
Looking forward to going back there to see a Julius Caesar and going not just for the play.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 10, 2018 1:53:12 GMT
The Bridge is excellent, after all it is a theatre that speaks for its time and is designed for a 21sr century audience, where some theatres featured on this thread were aimed at a 19th century Victorian audience. Looking forward to going back there to see a Julius Caesar and going not just for the play. And isn't it just wonderful to exit and be greeted with the spectacular views of Tower Bridge and the Thames? And perhaps pop into the Ivy next door. I really hope the theatre does well. I plan on visiting for everything especially as they do some deals for young people. I suppose in response to your thread i'd firmly put this up there as a great new guest experience. Lovely before you even enter, loads of space, friendly ushers, easy to locate facilities and all brand new. Long live the Bridge Theatre!
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Post by rumbledoll on Jan 10, 2018 9:21:38 GMT
Re Young Vic: I actually like the place. Great coffee and the bar, even though with limited space, is a nice one to relax before or after the show. Staff is frendly and helpful. I once returned an already collected ticket by phone and got an instant refund (hardly ever happens in any other theatre). When I arrived with the big piece of lagguage, even though the place doesn't have a cloakroom, they did not send me away to Waerloo station - it was taken care of by security who put in into the back room for me free of charge. A BO lady lended me a pen once and cafe staff did not charge me for the meal because my order took too long to take (basically, they forgot about me for 10 minutes but any other waitor could just shrug this off 'cause the place was pretty full).
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Post by tysilio2 on Jan 10, 2018 10:19:53 GMT
Paid my first visit to the Floral Pavilion in New Brighton on the Wirral in September. I believe it's been refurbished and is a lovely environment with great parking and excellent spacious bar area inside. Great sightlines inside the auditorium as well.
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Post by peggs on Jan 10, 2018 13:13:29 GMT
Really? Presumably woman didn't hydrate in those days either. Is that likely to be true for other older buildings thus explaining the few squeezed in toilets we get? Oh yes, ladies in those times were expected to do nothing but marry, give birth and die, more or less. Quite correct about that reason for older buildings. Also, before the Bazalgette sewers, there wouldn't have been a lot of point building decent facilities as you would have nowhere much to drain them off to anyway. Just as well I've from more modern times, I'm failing miserably on all counts currently (hope to put the last one off for some time yet).
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 11, 2018 0:39:47 GMT
Re Young Vic: I actually like the place. Great coffee and the bar, even though with limited space, is a nice one to relax before or after the show. Staff is frendly and helpful. I once returned an already collected ticket by phone and got an instant refund (hardly ever happens in any other theatre). When I arrived with the big piece of lagguage, even though the place doesn't have a cloakroom, they did not send me away to Waerloo station - it was taken care of by security who put in into the back room for me free of charge. A BO lady lended me a pen once and cafe staff did not charge me for the meal because my order took too long to take (basically, they forgot about me for 10 minutes but any other waitor could just shrug this off 'cause the place was pretty full). The box office at the Young Vic are great, think the biggest complaint is the size of the lobby and how crowded it gets pre-show, as for me I pick up my ticket and go, sit and relax with a cappuccino opposite I’m Caffè Nero (The No.1 coffee show). Really? Presumably woman didn't hydrate in those days either. Is that likely to be true for other older buildings thus explaining the few squeezed in toilets we get? Oh yes, ladies in those times were expected to do nothing but marry, give birth and die, more or less. Quite correct about that reason for older buildings. Also, before the Bazalgette sewers, there wouldn't have been a lot of point building decent facilities as you would have nowhere much to drain them off to anyway. Not true if women didn’t die, Queen Victoria would be still on the throne (which fits in quite nicely with this thread).
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 5, 2018 22:55:24 GMT
I was in the New Victoria Theatre, Woking 2 week’s ago for Sunset Boulevard and OMG what a beautiful house, absolutely a treat to see something there. Second time going there after seeing Chess there a few years back.
I note that Woking is 25 minutes on a fast train from Waterloo. Wimbledon is about 20 minutes on a train from thes same station and has a theatre that is a dive. Given the choice I am going to push the train out and go to Woking if possible instead.
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 6, 2018 13:16:00 GMT
Wimbledon is about 20 minutes on a train from thes same station and has a theatre that is a dive. Seriously? The New Wimbledon is one of the most beautiful, nicely kept and atmospheric theatres I know of? And it means you can call in and see London Bridget!!!
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 6, 2018 20:10:07 GMT
Wimbledon is about 20 minutes on a train from thes same station and has a theatre that is a dive. Seriously? The New Wimbledon is one of the most beautiful, nicely kept and atmospheric theatres I know of? The gents on the stalls (not literally) are awful, just like the Phoenix.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 20:54:09 GMT
Although it gets the best shows, the Edinburgh Playhouse is awful. Tatty, run down auditorium with no lift access and only one disabled toilet. The foyer is awful - cramped and dark. As it's an ATG venue, you will have to pay £2.50 for a bottle of water to prevent you from fainting in the extreme heat. The heat is especially intense if you sit underneath the balcony or circle overhang. You cannot move at the end of a performance as there will be people left, right and centre of you.
On the other side of Edinburgh is the lovely Festival Theatre which has been all done up and looks amazing - big glass front and everything! I've seen the Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time, The Addams Family and Miss Saigon there, and every time I go there I realise how run down the Playhouse actually is.
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Post by showgirl on Feb 7, 2018 5:16:17 GMT
I note that Woking is 25 minutes on a fast train from Waterloo. Wimbledon is about 20 minutes on a train from thes same station and has a theatre that is a dive. Given the choice I am going to push the train out and go to Woking if possible instead. The New Victoria is indeed a beautiful theatre (and therefore vastly out of keeping with the hideous town centre in which it sits) and I would go there more often but for the journey being complicated for me - I have either to go via Guildford, which is slow and means I can't buy a Travelcard and go onto London for the evening - or via Clapham, which is also slow. The other aspect which really deters me is how soul-destroyingly bleak the town centre is. If/when I go somewhere to see a play, I like to have a little time to wander around and explore; sometimes longer if it's a place I know and love, such as Chichester. But when I do go to Woking, it's more a case of trying not to look at the surroundings but to get from station to theatre and back again as swiftly and straightforwardly as possible. That said, Woking audiences are in my limited experience there immeasurably better-behaved than the raucous rabble I've often encountered at the New Wimbledon, and productions often visit both venues, so for those who can face Woking itself, something to bear in mind.
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Post by tonyloco on Feb 7, 2018 9:40:35 GMT
As part of the raucous rabble that occasionally visits that dive of a theatre in Wimbledon I have to rise up to defend the New Wimbledon Theatre where I have seen a number of highly enjoyable musicals and plays in recent years. From my home in Wembley I also occasionally visit Richmond and Bromley as well as Wimbledon and I give thanks that all places still have a fully functioning theatre that presents a varied programme of productions to a high standard in perfectly acceptable venues. If only we could rescue the Golders Green Hippodrome back to being a working theatre then I would be a very happy bunny.
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Post by showgirl on Feb 7, 2018 12:19:01 GMT
So far as New Wimbledon audiences are concerned, I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush and I did indeed say I had "often" rather than invariably encountered the less appealing type. Also, I've never had an issue there with solo theatregoers or couples or indeed men, so far as I recall; it has always been large groups of well-lubricated women, dressed up to what we used to call the nines and generally looking and acting as though they were on a hen night rather than a theatre trip. There's a difference between having a good time with some friends and spoiling the enjoyment of others and deterring them from returning - though with the business the New Wimbledon derives from these patrons, if the theatre had to choose they'd probably prefer to lose the quieter, non-imbibing smaller parties or singles.
EDIT: so maybe it's a case of the guest facilities - since this is the thread subject - being too good for some!
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Post by tonyloco on Feb 7, 2018 13:13:20 GMT
Thanks for spotting that, theatremonkey!
Yes, I have to make it clear that I have never attended the New Wimbledon Theatre as part of a large group of well-lubricated women, dressed up to what we used to call the nines and generally looking and acting as though they were on a hen night rather than a theatre trip.
What have I been missing???
Just joking, showgirl. I guess I have been lucky in choosing the performances at Wimbledon not frequented by such parties, probably because I try to go to the mid-week matinees or evenings early in the week before the noisy female parties have got ready for their outings!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 20:29:29 GMT
Although it gets the best shows, the Edinburgh Playhouse is awful. Tatty, run down auditorium with no lift access and only one disabled toilet. The foyer is awful - cramped and dark. As it's an ATG venue, you will have to pay £2.50 for a bottle of water to prevent you from fainting in the extreme heat. The heat is especially intense if you sit underneath the balcony or circle overhang. You cannot move at the end of a performance as there will be people left, right and centre of you. On the other side of Edinburgh is the lovely Festival Theatre which has been all done up and looks amazing - big glass front and everything! I've seen the Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time, The Addams Family and Miss Saigon there, and every time I go there I realise how run down the Playhouse actually is. have you been to the Playhouse recently? They've just repainted and re-carpeted the auditorium, which I think has made a huge difference. I went to see Grease in September and Shrek in December and I completely forgot! The new paint job is indeed lovely and much better than the gaudy red of before. The carpets are definitely not as sticky as they used to be which is a good sign.
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 7, 2018 20:37:59 GMT
I note that Woking is 25 minutes on a fast train from Waterloo. Wimbledon is about 20 minutes on a train from thes same station and has a theatre that is a dive. Given the choice I am going to push the train out and go to Woking if possible instead. The New Victoria is indeed a beautiful theatre (and therefore vastly out of keeping with the hideous town centre in which it sits) and I would go there more often but for the journey being complicated for me - I have either to go via Guildford, which is slow and means I can't buy a Travelcard and go onto London for the evening - or via Clapham, which is also slow. The other aspect which really deters me is how soul-destroyingly bleak the town centre is. If/when I go somewhere to see a play, I like to have a little time to wander around and explore; sometimes longer if it's a place I know and love, such as Chichester. But when I do go to Woking, it's more a case of trying not to look at the surroundings but to get from station to theatre and back again as swiftly and straightforwardly as possible. That said, Woking audiences are in my limited experience there immeasurably better-behaved than the raucous rabble I've often encountered at the New Wimbledon, and productions often visit both venues, so for those who can face Woking itself, something to bear in mind. Well there is a great thought, I haven’t thought of, when I go to the theatre I like to maximise my day out and see a couple of shows, I wonder how doable Chichester and Woking is in one day? have you been to the Playhouse recently? They've just repainted and re-carpeted the auditorium, which I think has made a huge difference. I went to see Grease in September and Shrek in December and I completely forgot! The new paint job is indeed lovely and much better than the gaudy red of before. The carpets are definitely not as sticky as they used to be which is a good sign. Think anything looks great, if you had the misfortune of seeing Grease. 🧟♂️🧟♂️🧟♂️
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