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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 2:10:46 GMT
Dear valued forum members
I would be interested to hear
Experiences
From
Anyone
Who has used NHS services over the last few weeks
Particularly GP A&E Urgent care
And if you have had cause to notice winter pressures affecting your treatment or waiting times
I would also be interested if anyone
Has been affected by cancelled elective surgery
Thanks for your time and sharing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 8:34:28 GMT
The price
Of the
The average A&E attendance is £124
At least 30% don’t need
To be there
And more than that leave without any treatment other than advice
Go
Figure
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 12:38:44 GMT
The price Of the The average A&E attendance is £124 Do you mean the cost? There is no price, although there may be a charge to some non-UK attenders. At least 30% don’t need To be there And more than that leave without any treatment other than advice Some people do attend in the knowledge that they should have gone elsewhere. But your "at least 30%" includes people with little medical knowledge who attend in good faith. And advice is better than no advice and is, as you say, a form of treatment, isn't it? |
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Post by lynette on Jan 5, 2018 19:03:15 GMT
Kids always get sick at night don't they? Nowhere else to go. No visits from GPs in NHS now. So adults also attend A&E. Actually I did call a doctor who is a friend for advice and quite rightly he told me to call 999. I was reluctant to use the emergency services. Hard to get the balance right. We seem to be missing something in the middle.
I’ve had superb attention from the ambulance service (999) and A&E in two London hospitals in the past year. No wait for attention in one, a long wait in the other but only after initial attention that established I could wait. In the latter case, the A&E room was packed out, I mean packed to the gills, standing room only, and it was the middle of the night.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 5, 2018 21:25:05 GMT
@parsley you might get more responses to this call out if you tell people why you want to know.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 5, 2018 21:29:19 GMT
The price Of the The average A&E attendance is £124 At least 30% don’t need To be there And more than that leave without any treatment other than advice Go Figure Do they do day seats and how high is the stage? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 21:35:35 GMT
I went to the doctor but I left half way through the consultation as I thought it was the worst consultation I'd had this year.....
(seriously, I've had an appointment moved earlier but that's partly because I complained at having to wait until March).
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Post by lynette on Jan 5, 2018 23:25:33 GMT
@parsley you might get more responses to this call out if you tell people why you want to know. Might skew the responses. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jan 5, 2018 23:56:49 GMT
Mmmmm it costs £124 to treat someone in A&E, that maybe the problem when you have too many number crunchers in the NHS and it doesn’t help that the NHS has to compete with third parties to deliver diagnosis and treatment, instead of treating people, are these 3rd parties donating to Tory coffers?
The health secretary advises Jeremy Hunt advises not to overwhelm A&E and go and see your doctor instead, this doesn’t apply when his child was ill though.
What you don’t want to do is go back to the old days where your GP was on call at night, this may come as a shock but doctors actually need to sleep too and attending one call from waking up to attending, to finding out the call was pointless, to coming back home to bed, can take a couple of hours. The salary sacrafice doctors made a few years ago, not to do night call was very sensible. There is never a time doctor needs to be called out? Especially as Paramedics are so well trained now.
There doesn’t need to be a crisis, if you resource A&E adequately and the timewasters can be triaged away from the hospital.
When the public saw the NHS was being neglected, it caused a change of government in 1997, the same could easily happen again.
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Post by profquatermass on Jan 6, 2018 5:47:59 GMT
Why does parsley show as not have made any posts?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 7:19:49 GMT
He's deleted his account.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jan 6, 2018 8:26:25 GMT
He's deleted his account. Again? I am starting to wonder if he really exists. If he returns on a periodic visit, I will leave out a mince pie and glass of sherry for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 12:02:11 GMT
He's deleted his account. Again? I am starting to wonder if he really exists. If he returns on a periodic visit, I will leave out a mince pie and glass of sherry for him. I thought Parsley had put me on ignore. |
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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 22, 2018 12:22:00 GMT
The price Of the The average A&E attendance is £124 At least 30% don’t need To be there And more than that leave without any treatment other than advice Go Figure Do they do day seats and how high is the stage? I think its a kind of ante room to the real Theatre. That costs a lot more. |
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Post by duncan on Jan 22, 2018 12:30:20 GMT
Mmmmm it costs £124 to treat someone in A&E, that maybe the problem when you have too many number crunchers in the NHS and it doesn’t help that the NHS has to compete with third parties to deliver diagnosis and treatment, instead of treating people, are these 3rd parties donating to Tory coffers? There doesn’t need to be a crisis, if you resource A&E adequately and the timewasters can be triaged away from the hospital. The real problem with the NHS isn't neglect or number crunchers - its that it wasn't designed for a population of 60+ million who now have an average life expectancy of 80+ and who get lots and lots of lovely expensive treatments to keep us alive.
The NHS was designed for a population of 45 million who would all die at around 70 and who didn't need anything more expensive than a wooden walking stick.
The Government (and this covers ALL political parties) either need to admit that a universal free health care system is no longer sustainable OR tell us that we'll all need to pay about 5p in the £ more in taxes to fund the NHS going forward.
But as both options are a vote loser no party will ever come out and admit it and thus the NHS will struggle on taking more and more tax money away from other areas and remain a political football.
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Post by hulmeman on Jan 23, 2018 14:30:21 GMT
Mmmmm it costs £124 to treat someone in A&E, that maybe the problem when you have too many number crunchers in the NHS and it doesn’t help that the NHS has to compete with third parties to deliver diagnosis and treatment, instead of treating people, are these 3rd parties donating to Tory coffers? There doesn’t need to be a crisis, if you resource A&E adequately and the timewasters can be triaged away from the hospital. The real problem with the NHS isn't neglect or number crunchers - its that it wasn't designed for a population of 60+ million who now have an average life expectancy of 80+ and who get lots and lots of lovely expensive treatments to keep us alive.
The NHS was designed for a population of 45 million who would all die at around 70 and who didn't need anything more expensive than a wooden walking stick.
The Government (and this covers ALL political parties) either need to admit that a universal free health care system is no longer sustainable OR tell us that we'll all need to pay about 5p in the £ more in taxes to fund the NHS going forward.
But as both options are a vote loser no party will ever come out and admit it and thus the NHS will struggle on taking more and more tax money away from other areas and remain a political football.
Spot on there young Duncan. We have to pay for it in one way or another and I'd rather pay slightly more national insurance to maintain a free at the point of use service. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:36:45 GMT
NHS England, NHS Wales, NHS Scotland and HSC Northern Ireland are separate organisations, funded by and reporting to their four respective national governments.
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Post by The Lost on Jan 23, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
I'd be happy to pay a little bit more to keep the NHS free at the point of access. I know the Lib Dems have in their manifesto that everyone would pay 1p more tax per pound and it'd go to the NHS.
I was at the QEII in Welwyn Garden City today for blood tests (following up from an illness I had a few months ago) and they had about 50 people waiting when I got there but I was still seen in under an hour. Our health service isn't fit for purpose as has been said, but the workers are doing an incredible job despite being under staffed, under resourced and under funded.
I think a large number of people in A&E shouldn't be there, but putting people off coming to A&E will just put off the people who actually need it. There will always be the mum who takes her child with a grazed knee to get it checked out but you don't want to convince the man coughing up blood to wait for it to pass. I worry a lot about wasting NHS time, my dad had a stroke a couple of months ago and I called 111 instead of 999 because I didn't want to have made the wrong call. They sent an ambulance straight away but I felt more comfortable not having to make that decision.
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