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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 30, 2017 10:03:39 GMT
I have just sent this message to ATG, who run the Theatre Royal in Glasgow:
"I attended the performance of La Traviata on November 28.
This was married by the persistent coughing of a woman in a wheelchair in the stall. These were huge racking coughs that went on and on throughout the performance. The conductor was infuriated: after one aria he shouted "Be quiet" and in one interval he told people in the front stalls to track down the offender and tell them to leave.
I am not saying that people should be excluded for an occasional cough. But this coughing was so loud and persistent, so racking and reverberating, that it seriously marred other people's enjoyment. There should have been management intervention to require her to leave. I hope the fact that she was in a wheelchair was not the reason for non-intervention: all credit to theatres that facilitate visits by people in wheelchairs, but disabled people have no right to ruin the enjoyment of others. "
I stress: this was not an isolated throat-clearing. The coughing was a sort of ongoing obbligato.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 30, 2017 10:25:04 GMT
That is always going to be a very difficult issue for theatres to handle.
My first instinct would be for an usher to offer water/support to the disabled patron. Then suggest they might like to take some time out of the auditorium to see if that would help them overcome things.
However requiring someone in a wheelchair to leave because of a cough is going to risk very bad headlines for the theatre - which they would be eager to avoid. Even though, in the circumstances you describe, such a removal would seem entirely reasonable - it would be very easy for it to be painted as discrimination in the press.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 13:08:30 GMT
The cougher should have gone to la boheme where she'd have fitted right into the narrative and enhanced the atmosphere of the production.
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Post by Mr Snow on Nov 30, 2017 15:54:27 GMT
The cougher should have gone to la boheme where she'd have fitted right into the narrative and enhanced the atmosphere of the production. Lord Goodman used to say the real diffwerence between La Boheme and La Traviata, was that one of them could afford a Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 17:16:15 GMT
Totally sympathise, and this is exacerbated by the fact that opera is generally very expensive; for me it's an occasional treat that I really look forward to. One time I've spent a fortune (by my standards) on a front stalls ticket only to have a woman behind me cough constantly which really ruined it. I was very young and quite poor and I'd really saved up hard, so it upset me to the point of being heartbroken. I'd have really welcomed an usher intervening and suggesting that they were too ill to be there, but you always risk negative headlines by doing something like that, of course.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 30, 2017 19:34:42 GMT
If the coughing was so loud that it was affecting the performers, which it evidently was given the conductor was complaining, then I think the FOH staff would definitely have been justified in speaking to the perpetrator, quite apart from it causing a major annoyance to the rest of the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 19:44:46 GMT
It's a tough one as the others say. Certainly in this instance I'd have expected/would have as FOH approached the person and asked if they were ok, could we get them some water/something to help as they were clearly having difficulties. However FOH couldn't directly ask the person to leave- it IS a fine line because if someone was say, drunk and causing a disturbance the House Manager could/would remove them. But while I sympathise that the disturbance is the same, it's a bit more difficult when it's a person coughing, and that patron is in a wheelchair...you can just see the headlines already.
I'd say the conductor could have gone 'over the head' of the ushers etc and asked for the person to be removed,but of course the above difficulties still stand.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Nov 30, 2017 21:23:09 GMT
I started this thread and think I'd like to add to what I said.
The coughing was so frequent and intrusive that in the intervals strangers were remarking to each other about it.
The woman next to me said something appalling. It was something like this: "Well, you see, that's the trouble with minorities; they cause problems for the majority."
I did manage to reply, with some crispness, "In the great majority of cases minorities do not impinge on the majority at all." But I should have pointed out that the lack of consideration of this cougher in a wheelchair was no reason to slag off wheelchair users in general or the practice of providing facilities for them.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Jan 3, 2018 21:32:56 GMT
I started this thread with the following post:
'I have just sent this message to ATG, who run the Theatre Royal in Glasgow:
"I attended the performance of La Traviata on November 28.
This was married by the persistent coughing of a woman in a wheelchair in the stall. These were huge racking coughs that went on and on throughout the performance. The conductor was infuriated: after one aria he shouted "Be quiet" and in one interval he told people in the front stalls to track down the offender and tell them to leave.
I am not saying that people should be excluded for an occasional cough. But this coughing was so loud and persistent, so racking and reverberating, that it seriously marred other people's enjoyment. There should have been management intervention to require her to leave. I hope the fact that she was in a wheelchair was not the reason for non-intervention: all credit to theatres that facilitate visits by people in wheelchairs, but disabled people have no right to ruin the enjoyment of others.
I stress: this was not an isolated throat-clearing. The coughing was a sort of ongoing obbligato." '
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I have now received a reply from the manager:
'My apologies for taking a while to reply to your email. I am sorry that your enjoyment of La Traviata was impaired by the coughing of another audience member. During the pause in act one I spoke to the lady concerned to see if there was anything that I could do to make her feel more comfortable and to hopefully alleviate her coughing. The lady concerned explained to me that she has a medical condition which compromises her respiratory system. She also informed me that she had her own medical supplies with her and that there was nothing that I could give her which would help to reduce the instances or volume of her coughing. Unfortunately given her medical condition if I had asked her to vacate the auditorium this would be deemed as a discriminatory act and, from unfortunate experience, I am aware that this could have left the theatre vulnerable to prosecution. I am sorry that there was not more that we could have done on the night however I hope that you appreciate the rationale for the decision that was taken.'
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I have responded as follows:
'Thank you for your reply.
I can see that you were in a very difficult position, because while I doubt that, at the end of the day, disability legislation requires accommodation of disabled people whose condition entails a significant disruption of the performance for the rest of the audience, disputes are time-consuming and wearing. What a shame the woman at La Traviata did not have a stronger sense of social responsibility. It is often stressed to us that disabled people are to be treated, not in a ‘Does he take sugar?’ way, but as fully-fledged persons in their own right; but that goes with taking on the normal responsibilities to be considerate.
I am considering booking for Eugene Onegin, but I do find myself very apprehensive about the investment of £40 or £50 in case she exercises again what she seems to regard as her right to be disruptive.'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 8:56:37 GMT
I think that's a really honest reply and I totally get why they felt, having tried to talk to her, that they couldn't do anything more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 9:24:57 GMT
I think that's a really honest reply and I totally get why they felt, having tried to talk to her, that they couldn't do anything more. I agree - it's a really difficult balance between keeping peace on the night/ensuring everyone has as good an experience as possible, but also avoiding future fallout. He's right that kicking her out could have had comeback in terms of discrimination etc so his hands are tied there. Obviously he also couldn't go around loudly apologizing to everyone else for the same reasons! I do think there is an element of personal social responsibility to be had. We could give the lady the benefit of the doubt and say it turned out to be a worse day than others coughing wise and she thought it wouldn't be disruptive. On the other it may not...obviously without psychic powers it's hard to know!
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Post by Mr Snow on Jan 7, 2018 10:12:47 GMT
Well done Paul.
With modern booking methods it may be possible for the management to contact the cougher. Would it be appropriate for them to do so? They did in person on the night.
Obviously they risk huge reputational damage if the issued is badly handled. It's not hard to see how this could easily be twisted. But forwarding letters they'd received?
Possibly wise to let it rest as they did speak to her but write if it happens again.
When I first got into Opera I booked a series of four at the ENO. The first two I was sat next to a man with a body shaking hack that appeared out of nowhere every few minutes. I was considerably relieved when he wasn't at the third one. I mention it because I've never forgotten how off putting it was and that was over 35 years ago. Had he been at the third and 4th I suspect my life would have been very different.
I can recall at least one occasion where I spent the day locked in my office but decided to waste my evenings ticket because I couldn't control my coughing.
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