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Post by Stephen on Nov 26, 2017 1:31:55 GMT
There is a discussion beginning elsewhere of guns and loud noises in shows. Maybe this could be interesting and warn others of them before they see/hear!
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Post by alece10 on Nov 26, 2017 11:34:43 GMT
Even though I know there will be gunfire in Blood Brothers I still jump out of my seat when the gun goes off.
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Post by theatremad on Nov 26, 2017 11:37:59 GMT
Pentecost by David Edgar. The last but one scene makes me jump just thinking about it.
Woman in Black is other I can think of
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Post by shady23 on Nov 26, 2017 11:41:47 GMT
The orchestra starting unannounced with a loud bang at the second act of Wicked always had people jumping out of their seats. Recently they've added an audio saying the performance is about to restart but I still jump out of my seat.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 26, 2017 11:52:29 GMT
As I said on the mentioned thread, I hate gun shots and loud noises, where if I know it is going to happen my skin goes clammy, when I read that A4 sheet, when you are about to enter the stalls ‘this production contains Smoking, Haze and GUNSHOTS” doesn’t do my nerves any good - as much as I love Phantom and Les Mis I have to cover my ears for the gunshot. Just saw Deathtrap at Richmond that had me in pieces.
Sadly on a side note an actor called David Birell lost the sight in one eye, when a gun shot went wrong in Passion at the Donmar.
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Post by firefingers on Nov 26, 2017 12:15:58 GMT
Even though I know there will be gunfire in Blood Brothers I still jump out of my seat when the gun goes off. Worked on it years ago. We were all given the gunshot cueline on our first day."I could have been... I could have been (shots)". Still jumped for the first week.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 26, 2017 13:05:27 GMT
The gunshot at the start of The Bodyguard is very effective at shutting the audience up.
Also, one of my fave bits of POTO is just before the gunshot when they’re locking down the Opera house where you hear the policemens voices coming out of the darkness from various parts of the theatre. Very atmospheric.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 14:36:27 GMT
I dislike gunshots in theatre, especially when the gun is being waved around and pointed into the audience. There's a part of me that can't shake off the worry that someone may have mistakenly loaded live ammunition and the person wielding the gun may accidentally fire it at me. Even ignoring the live ammunition nonsense I'm still aware that even blanks aren't entirely safe, so point the damned thing somewhere else, please.
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Post by profquatermass on Nov 26, 2017 14:59:24 GMT
No shortage of guns in Assassins
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Post by jadnoop on Nov 26, 2017 15:04:17 GMT
I dislike gunshots in theatre, especially when the gun is being waved around and pointed into the audience. There's a part of me that can't shake off the worry that someone may have mistakenly loaded live ammunition and the person wielding the gun may accidentally fire it at me. Even ignoring the live ammunition nonsense I'm still aware that even blanks aren't entirely safe, so point the damned thing somewhere else, please. I wonder how long it will be (assuming that it hasn't already been done) until 'accidentally' shooting a (staged) member of the audience becomes introduced into an immersive theatre project. I was recently at the ballet, where they announced over the speakers just prior to it starting that there would be a gunshot. In the end, in that instance the shot didn't sound particularly loud or realistic (based solely on watching movies), and wasn't unsurprising story-wise. However, I think that announcing stuff like that removes some of the tension/unknowns for the audience. Take for instance The Ferryman . If they had announced that there would be a gunshot before the play had started, the tension & surprise of the ending would have been entirely spoiled in my opinion. Granted, storytelling conventions/Chekhovs gun means that the audience may be expecting a shot to ring out in plays with guns, but that's still different to it being unequivocally confirmed in this way. My feeling is that The Royal Court has the best system in place; their website includes a link/phone number to call if potential audience members have any trigger issues they wish to be warned about (be they gunshots, or particular unsettling topics). By framing it this way, it gives people an option, without forcing the spoiler/knowledge on those that aren't worried. I don't know how big the venn diagram intersection of 'theatreboard members' and 'heavy rock/metal listeners' is, but in the 90s Metallica had a set which ended with the rigging collapsing, causing 'chaos', falling roadies, the lights in the auditorium to fail, etc. IIRC there were even 'paramedics' brought in to deal with the injured members etc.
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 26, 2017 16:40:36 GMT
Sadly on a side note an actor called David Birell lost the sight in one eye, when a gun shot went wrong in Passion at the Donmar. Yes, am very much aware of this. Don't forget gunshots in Sunset Boulevard
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 17:09:46 GMT
Re: the spoiler tagged play above, I agree- although you could 'see it coming' if you thought about it the fact that you aren't primed for it by warnings made it far more effective. Completely appreciate that people wish to be warned about such things but that's a good system/argument for the Royal Court style of 'warnings' that preserve the dramatic mystery a bit. I abhor loud noises of any kind, but I'm worse with sustained types of it (think war type films, I really struggle to sit through those) so while I get a bit twitchy with a gunshot, it's not so bad. But I hate the tension of 'there's a gun on stage someone's going to fire it' too. That said as an usher they're a particularly good alarm clock for a nap
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Nov 26, 2017 17:54:10 GMT
I am really jumpy even the sudden sound of drums have me leaping all over the place. I know when Les Mis gunshots are and have to stick my fingers in my ears. If I am at something and anyone is waving around a gun I will sit there prepared to cover my ears. All the time going to Miss Saigon I remembered the gunshots but forgot about the pyro in one bit!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 18:38:10 GMT
All the time going to Miss Saigon I remembered the gunshots but forgot about the pyro in one bit!! I saw the current tour of Miss Saigon in August and was expecting guns and pyros, but I don't remember there being any pyros? I didn't find the gunshots so bad as I was kind of expecting them, and it sounded like a sound effect to me opposed to them firing a blank (and I was sitting right at that back so that probably helped).
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Post by djdan14 on Nov 26, 2017 19:01:02 GMT
I had to watch the live recording of Miss Saigon before I’d even consider seeing it live as I too detest gunshots and loud noises. Once I knew where they were I was happy to see it live, although I was caught out by the fireworks midway through!
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Post by djdan14 on Nov 26, 2017 19:01:32 GMT
I had to watch the live recording of Miss Saigon before I’d even consider seeing it live as I too detest gunshots and loud noises. Once I knew where they were I was happy to see it live, although I was caught out by the fireworks midway through!
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Nov 26, 2017 19:24:12 GMT
All the time going to Miss Saigon I remembered the gunshots but forgot about the pyro in one bit!! I saw the current tour of Miss Saigon in August and was expecting guns and pyros, but I don't remember there being any pyros? I didn't find the gunshots so bad as I was kind of expecting them, and it sounded like a sound effect to me opposed to them firing a blank (and I was sitting right at that back so that probably helped). I can't remember what the scene is called. But when they have the dragon. Just as it starts they set off loud bangs. I thought was just sound having sat front row I think it was pyro.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 26, 2017 19:51:47 GMT
When I was directing Beauty and the Beast, I had to cut the exploding champagne bottles at the end of Be Our Guest as there wasn't space for the cast on stage for it to be safe.
What no-one on the tech team told me (let alone consulted me on) was that they had replaced them with pyros lined up along the front of the stage - which we first got to experience at the dress rehearsal. The look on the faces of the cast when 6 shooting pyros went off in front of them was a picture. Utterly surprised and shock doesn't come close.
Everything else had been planned for and proper warnings given - but that moment was one over which I had control as director and hadn't been risk assessed. I should have exploded with rage - but for the good of company harmony, I didn't. So it is not just audience members that get thrown by effects!
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 26, 2017 20:14:25 GMT
That’s right the pyro is before “The Morning of the Dragon”.
Ironically there are 2 gunshots in Miss Saigon, one where Thuy dies, this does me in and my ears are truly covered, but the last one at the end, doesn’t bother me, because I cannot see the Gun. If I remember from Leicester the gunshot is done from the sound desk, which funnily enough I am fine with.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 26, 2017 20:16:05 GMT
When I saw the RSC’s Henry V at the Barbican a couple of years back there was an unexpected explosion from nowhere. Still getting over it now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 22:40:43 GMT
I saw the current tour of Miss Saigon in August and was expecting guns and pyros, but I don't remember there being any pyros? I didn't find the gunshots so bad as I was kind of expecting them, and it sounded like a sound effect to me opposed to them firing a blank (and I was sitting right at that back so that probably helped). I can't remember what the scene is called. But when they have the dragon. Just as it starts they set off loud bangs. I thought was just sound having sat front row I think it was pyro. Oh yes, I remember that bit. It did startle me a little bit but I didn't think it was a pyro, just sound effects and flashing lights. I was a bit surprised as when I booked my tickets earlier that day they did pre-warn me at the counter about the pyros and haze etc, which has never happened when I've booked tickets before.
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Post by grannyjx6 on Nov 27, 2017 16:21:29 GMT
Even though I know there will be gunfire in Blood Brothers I still jump out of my seat when the gun goes off.
Me too, along with half the audience, but what annoys me is that most of that half start laughing and that absolutely is inappropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 17:24:13 GMT
Even though I know there will be gunfire in Blood Brothers I still jump out of my seat when the gun goes off.
Me too, along with half the audience, but what annoys me is that most of that half start laughing and that absolutely is inappropriate.
That's a natural involuntary reaction from a lot of people though isn't it?
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Post by The Lost on Nov 27, 2017 17:36:37 GMT
I'm awful with unexpected loud noises, especially gunshots. In any scene with a gun I feel on edge, especially when it's being casually waved into the audience because as has been said previously, you never know if it's loaded with something and also evolution has taught us (or at least, me) to be terrified of life-ending weapons of any kind being pointed in your vicinity.
At Les Mis I'm uncomfortable through the entire scene in which Gavroche gets shot because I can never quite remember when it's coming and there's also one more gun shot than you think there's going to be, the same was true with Women on the Verge when it ran in London. Wicked and The Bodyguard both have moments at the start which if not designed to scare the sh*t out of you have that impact anyway. My favourite show is Bat Out of Hell and that begins very loudly and suddenly, but fortunately seeing it a large number of times weakened the impact of it beginning with a loud bang and the gun they use in Act 2 is fairly quiet compared with other shows.
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Post by Dr Tom on Nov 27, 2017 19:47:31 GMT
I hate all of these as well and literally jump sometimes. I hate loud fireworks too, popped balloons and even champagne bottles.
Really glad to find out this isn't just me.
It's one reason why I often enjoy shows much more the second time around when I know where the bangs are and I can mentally brace for them.
I hate the shows that introduce guns for no reason. It really spoiled my enjoyment of the recent Andrew Scott Hamlet with guns all over the place and they continued being used to scare the audience even after the final gunshot.
I'm also much happier if I know it's a fake gun and recorded gunshots.
First time I saw Les Mis, I made the mistake of sitting in one of the TheatreMonkey recommended cheap seats upstairs. Absolutely the worst place, as there's exceptionally loud pyro right next to you.
It would be great if we could have show wikis for loud bangs (in spoiler tags perhaps for people who don't want to know).
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