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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 19:04:08 GMT
I think we'd all love an Armie Hammer Oliver in our lives.
No. I was right the first time.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 10, 2017 20:36:41 GMT
Everyone lusting after Armie Hammer is the only realistic thing about this film!
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Post by Rory on Nov 10, 2017 23:28:50 GMT
Well I'm still thinking about it days later. The last film that had the same effect on me was Control with Sam Reilly & Samantha Morton.
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Post by showgirl on Nov 11, 2017 5:38:49 GMT
OK, I'm going to risk asking this now: did any female members of this board like this film at all? And if so, how much?
Plus, assuming I'm not going to be shot down for implying that it's for chaps only, I'd ask the same about God's Own Country. As I really try to appreciate them, but honestly, these films have just baffled, bemused and bored me; I simply cannot see their appeal to the general audience.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 11, 2017 9:03:51 GMT
Actually, a gay friend of mine didn't like the movie and called it gay porn for women
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Post by kathryn on Nov 11, 2017 10:05:58 GMT
OK, I'm going to risk asking this now: did any female members of this board like this film at all? And if so, how much? Plus, assuming I'm not going to be shot down for implying that it's for chaps only, I'd ask the same about God's Own Country. As I really try to appreciate them, but honestly, these films have just baffled, bemused and bored me; I simply cannot see their appeal to the general audience. Me and my (female) friend really enjoyed it - we watched it in the middle of a week of disease, death, racism and abuse at the London Film Festival, so a lovely romantic fantasy was a wonderful tonic. I thought God's Own Country was a better film, there just seemed to be more emotional resonance to it. My friend hasn't seen that one yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 10:27:54 GMT
Everyone lusting after Armie Hammer is the only realistic thing about this film! Well. Yes. I mean. Those shorts! He can rummage around in my fruit bowl any time he likes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 12:42:06 GMT
OK, I'm going to risk asking this now: did any female members of this board like this film at all? And if so, how much? Plus, assuming I'm not going to be shot down for implying that it's for chaps only, I'd ask the same about God's Own Country. As I really try to appreciate them, but honestly, these films have just baffled, bemused and bored me; I simply cannot see their appeal to the general audience. Hello, I'm a woman. I remember you asking this same question about Dunkirk. I think perhaps you ought to accept that there's no such thing as a film just for men or just for women. I wasn't as enthused about God's Own Country but I did enjoy it too. For what its worth this film has won or placed as runner-up in audience awards in various film festivals (rare for LGBT films) so there clearly is a general audience appeal.
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Post by showgirl on Nov 12, 2017 6:58:52 GMT
Ooh, interesting, couldileave you - though as I'm straight, I couldn't appreciate it from that angle either. What I can say for sure is that after this run of 3 turkeys (imo) in this genre, I will definitely avoid the forthcoming Beach Rats - the trailer gave me all the warning I needed, so I predict that it will be popular on this board.
And snutte, I do absolutely accept what you say about there being no such thing as a film solely for women or men, but I do have the clear impression from the respective threads that the 3 films I've mentioned have been vastly more popular with men. (I still wonder how it is that no-one here seems even to have seen In Between, which I still think was infinitely superior to this, GOC and Midnight?)
As for kathryn's comment about people lusting after Armie H, not this viewer, and even though some of the following comments about this are light-hearted, that could be a factor. For me he is both way too young and too typically good-looking in the north American way - like a catalogue model. Give me someone with a less perfect appearance - and somewhat closer to my own age - if I'm meant to perv over him!
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Post by n1david on Nov 12, 2017 9:36:28 GMT
Oh you definitely don’t want to see Beach Rats showgirl - for me it is clearly the weakest of the three of them, in fact having seen it at the LFF I wasn’t even sure it warranted a cinema release rather than going straight to video. For me GOC was definitely the strongest of the three and I enjoyed it in a way I didn’t enjoy CMBYN in that I found the central character believable and moving. I didn’t see In Between, but I’ll keep an eye out for it based on your comments.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 12, 2017 10:30:04 GMT
showgirl I don't think it is surprising that films about gay male romances attract more comments from men than women here on theatreboard. The ratio would doubtless be different on another forum. I also think you need to consider that you are not a typical viewer - Armie Hammer is definitely considered 'conventionally attractive', so if you do not agree you are out of step with the consensus. And that's fine! But if you generalise that to the whole of our gender people are going to disagree, because your view isn't typical.
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Post by jek on Nov 12, 2017 12:12:11 GMT
I am a woman in my mid 50s and I loved both Call Me By Your Name and God's Own Country (and reported as such on this board). I think what I loved about Call Me By Your Name was that it had a central teenage figure and parent's trying to do their best in bringing him up (my own children are 20,18 and 16) and of course the sheer beauty of the movie. In God's Own Country I was very taken with the hope at the centre of a bleak story. I also enjoyed seeing actors in the older roles whose careers I had followed (in the case of Ian Hart almost grown up with as we are virtually the same age). And I have family experience of just how hard it can be to eek out a living by farming.
I suppose what I am trying to say is that films appeal to different people for different reasons. My 16 year old daughter also enjoyed Call Me By Your Name because of Elio's intensity and love of music. Oh and both my teens who saw it are big Sufjan Stevens fans so the trailer appealed to them straight away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 7:24:04 GMT
Oh dear, I had high hopes for this, based on the rather nice trailer and some positive reviews I’ve been noting on here...
Not for me at all I’m afraid. So slow I thought it might actually stop at times. I tried, I really did, but I simply didn’t get it. And ‘getting it’ aside, I found the relationship between the two central characters unconvincing. I have to admit too that I did feel slightly uneasy about it. The young boy looked very young and the older man looked much older. (I thought he looked mid 30s. He’s supposed to be 24. The actor is 31.) And it seemed as if the parents were trying to throw them together, almost. The father’s speech at the end was odd to say the least. What did it say about his relationship with his wife?
Apologies for peeing on the strawberries... It’s obvious several of you loved it. (Annas came with me last night and adored everything about it...)
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Post by showgirl on Nov 15, 2017 8:05:44 GMT
Very interesting to read all your varied comments, jek , kathryn and caiaphas, and you all make valid points about target markets and individual taste. I'm clearly in the same camp as @caiaphas and though sorry to hear of another person not enjoying this film, I am quite relieved at last not to be the one and only dissenter. In particular on the point of the central relationship, I had read a review in which the writer commented on his disquiet at the gap not only in age between Elio and Oliver - and I also thought Armie H too old to play 24 - but size and build, which he felt made it look uncomfortably like grooming. I'm not suggesting it was or that I had the same impression but I could see what he meant.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 15, 2017 10:33:01 GMT
Actors are often older than the characters they play. Timothée Chalamet is 22, so to preserve that visible age difference between Elio and Oliver you have to cast an even older actor to play the older character.
Elio is not a realistic teenager either - most 17 year olds would be covered in acne - but then, it's not a realistic film.
Whether you enjoyed it or not seems to depend on how well you accept the fantasy on offer.
I didn't have a problem with the contrast between the physicality of the actors, but I guess that is because I understand the aesthetic conventions at work there (Elio is a 'twink' and Oliver is a 'jock') and how they play into the fantasy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 14:56:37 GMT
Yeah, I believe they were 20 and 29 when they filmed it and of course it's not rare at all in Hollywood to play 5 years younger or older than your actual age. I can't bring myself to feel uncomfortable about two fully grown adults acting as love interests, even if they do have different body types. I mean, don't we see that thing with straight romances all the time? The skinny, small girls and the muscly, hunky men. When Jennifer Lawrence was Chalamet's age she was playing the love interest of 36-year-old Bradley Cooper. Hammer is 6 foot 5 I believe too, which means Chalamet must actually be pretty tall even if he looks significantly smaller. But I think it all adds to the aesthetic. I'm 24 and most men my age would not create such an impact upon arrival as Oliver does. He needs to look like some kind of untouchable marble statue in order to understand why Elio gets in such a tizzy over him. The average 24-year-old - even the good looking ones - are just not going to do that. If you look up photos of Hammer when he was in The Social Network and he was 24, he still looks attractive and even still looks older than 24 but he just does not look like the kind of guy that would make a 17-year-old have their sexual and romantic awakening.
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Post by MrBunbury on Nov 15, 2017 15:55:02 GMT
I am definitely on the side of those who loved this movie. Probably the best movie of the year so far for me. I really hope there will be lots of awards for everyone. I was a child in that same northern Italy in the '80s so the setting was very familiar (ah, those bike rides in the countryside! I still do them when I go back :-)) As for the sublime father's speech that Michael Stuhlbarg delivers, I believe that the central message is really of not being afraid of one's feeling and experiences and avoiding to shut out what is painful but meant something for us because there won't be endless chances to experience such intensity. Stuhlbarg admits of having had feelings towards other men but that is rather secondary to the speech: I actually think that the message can resonate for anyone independently from sexual orientation.
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Post by anthony40 on Nov 18, 2017 18:54:43 GMT
Sorry to come to this thread late but I caught this about two weeks ago and after reading everyone's comments thought I'd passion my comments too.
Firstly, I don't (in any way) proclaim to be as eloquint as snute.
I actually really enjoyed it.
I thought everyone from the two leads, the actors playing the parents and the minor characters were all excellent. I have never seen Arnie Hammer in anything do for me he as a fresh as face and the younger guy Oliver.
So of the things that really stood out for me were how easily they effortlessly switched from English, to French and then Italian.
The parents were both smoking. How long has it been since we're seen that on screen?
Also the use of light. There was a scene where Oliver is lying shirtless on the bed with the light across his body.
It actually made me want to lye down in the grass under a tree near a brook shaded from the sunlight and read a good book.
Laters!
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Post by Jonnyboy on Nov 18, 2017 23:46:59 GMT
When I read the book a year or so ago, I remember finishing it and weeping.
The film doesn’t create such intense emotion, but does a jolly good job. Gorgeously filmed and two great performances. The end credits sequence is astonishing.
Currently listening to the brill soundtrack on Spotify.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:47:22 GMT
Saw this today and loved it. It deserves the hype and praise it has gotten. The two leads are fantastic, as are the parental characters. It moved me to tears with the Dad's monologue and the farewell scene. I thought it was funny, it was shot beautifully, and those scenes that on paper sound so shocking, were handled with care and worked perfectly. I almost cant wait to see it again. I've read alot of predictions that it could be a nominee for Best Picture, and it totally would be worthy. And the lead guy also seems to be getting a fair bit of hype to be nominated too, again, totally deserved, he was fantastic!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 9:26:49 GMT
I hear that the peach is being put forward for consideration as Best Supporting Actor. Well deserved I think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 17:15:12 GMT
I think the three main males should be nominated at the very least. And it deserves a Director, Cinematography and Picture nom at the lesst. It could well win Best Picture, its just that good. And I have read predictions for that to happen.
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Post by Jon on Nov 21, 2017 19:21:49 GMT
I think the three main males should be nominated at the very least. And it deserves a Director, Cinematography and Picture nom at the lesst. It could well win Best Picture, its just that good. And I have read predictions for that to happen. I doubt they'd give another LGBT film Best Picture for the second year in a row, I suspect it's more likely to go to something like The Post, Lady Bird or Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri but I imagine it'll be nominated.
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Post by Rory on Nov 21, 2017 19:37:25 GMT
I see that Armie Hammer has done the audio book for the novel.
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Post by ali973 on Nov 24, 2017 22:14:21 GMT
Just saw this today. Totally devastated me. It was wonderful.
Now I'm not one who wants to musicalise everything..but I think this could work beautifully as an intimate, small-scale musical with a tender score by a Jason Robert Brown, a Duncan Sheik or an Adam Guettel.
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