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Post by l0islane on Feb 12, 2019 19:32:58 GMT
I'm confused? The ending changed? Can someone else (in spoiler tags) Thanks {Spoiler - click to view} To my knowledge there have been three endings: New Eve goes crazy jumping around the room, screams at the audience and it ends (I saw this one). New Eve puts on the red dress and spins around. Play ends (I've also seen this one). New Eve looks in the mirror and winks at the audience. Play ends.(Haven't seen this one yet)
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Post by Ade on Feb 12, 2019 20:50:05 GMT
I'm confused? The ending changed? Can someone else (in spoiler tags) Thanks {Spoiler - click to view} To my knowledge there have been three endings: New Eve goes crazy jumping around the room, screams at the audience and it ends (I saw this one). New Eve puts on the red dress and spins around. Play ends (I've also seen this one). New Eve looks in the mirror and winks at the audience. Play ends.(Haven't seen this one yet) So I saw the last of these three. And that was last Tuesday. So it sounds like they have stuck with that one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 20:54:57 GMT
Count me in the interested but unmoved, but interested in my unmovedness. All to say I don't think this is Van Hove's strongest work, and I'm one that counts him as a genius when he gets it right. But it's no Jude Law and Motor Oil either, for which we can all be thankful. The camerawork for me, while I can see and yes be interested in as a conceit did little for me at best, and frustrated me at worst. I also ultimalty think that in putting a film back on stage it's the stage element and the intimacy, and interest that offers you should be playing with and while my little Ivo devil's advocate in my head goes 'ah but that's why then putting cameras back in makes it interesting' the rest of me goes 'ah but shut up Ivo I don't care'. Because for me ultimalty they frustrated the story, and i don't think that was the point of them. I did enjoy the use of the one on the mirror and the mix of the pre-record and the live images there, that was an interesting use of it. But the lengthy scenes locked away in shipping containers filmed and projected were not I don't think, adding anything. Ivo's strength also is when he strips a piece back and lets it speak for itself. That's why Kushner considers his Angels the best, that's why his View from a Bridge was so powerful, that's what made Lazurus asi incomprehensible as that was, evocative and engaging. And there are frustrating moments where that happens here, but there are also parts where it's too troubled with camera work and over direction. And ultimalty it made me think not feel, and somehow I feel like I should feel more with this. Because there's so much in it- there's so much about women and the way they treat each other and the way they see each other and themselves, there's so much about ageing, and women and beauty and yes how men add to that. And I felt I should have been raging and burning at it, and yet...aside from wanting to yell 'AMEN GIRL' when Gillian declares 'I hate men' mostly I was more thinking 'hmm interesting' than 'YES THAT TOO' which is a missed opportunity I felt. Gillian I felt too didn't get a chance to rise to the occasion. She does some stellar work, and a Margo that is as cold as ice is again, an interesting approach. But it felt like she was at times doing 'Gillian Anderson' and at times stuck in third gear a bit- knowing what she can do, this didn't quite click (and I say that as a full on Gillian worshipper here). Lily James was admirable and I loved what she did, lurking in the background until she pounced. Of them all Monica Dolan was the Queen however, waltzing in and stealing every scene she was in. Julian, well Julian is looking rather lovely and becoming something of a silver fox. But that aside he does quiet but great work. I agree about the slow doom laden pace, and that works, there's a quiet fear and sadness in that, and that's the good Ivo coming out. I think Bad Ivo currently is half stuck in Network and not quite working out how the same idea translates here- because the film feed might well have worked but it doesn't feel like it quite does. Anyway a sneaky early review here: thenerdytheatre.blogspot.com/2019/02/all-about-eve-noel-coward-theatre.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:04:13 GMT
The two questions that I am pondering on are -
'Does Van Hove's use of film for plays written for the theatre subvert that medium effectively?'
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'Does Van Hove's use of theatre for screenplays written for film subvert that medium effectively?'
At the moment I'd suggest one is more fully developed than the other.
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Post by sf on Feb 12, 2019 22:11:37 GMT
You're reading a thread about the play. There's really no need for spoiler tags. Some people like to read opinions before they go/before they book, myself included, and I'd like to be able to avoid spoilers for the plot if possible. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Well... as much as I sympathise - really - with wanting to avoid spoilers, avoiding spoilers for the plot (as opposed to staging or performance choices) in this case is likely to be an uphill battle given that the film is almost 70 years old and very well-known and the show stays very close to the original screenplay. It's not unreasonable for people to assume the plot is a known quantity - so your reminder is well taken.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 7:20:17 GMT
I think I might be one of the five people left in the world who doesn’t know what happens in All About Eve, so I am very thankful for the spoiler tags. I’ve approached this thread with caution because I was also one of the two remaining people who didn’t know the plot of A Star Is Born, and I had that spoiled reading the thread on here. Sometimes this board really makes me realise how little I know about older movies.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Feb 13, 2019 7:37:06 GMT
Count me in the interested but unmoved, but interested in my unmovedness. Love this line, one of my favourite reactions when I leave the Theatre, sums up how I felt when leaving Cougar at the Orange Tree Theatre last week and still musing on it over a week later.
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Post by dani on Feb 13, 2019 9:46:36 GMT
The newspaper reviewers' consensus seems to be around the 3* mark. 4* from Time Out, the Daily Mail and Whatsonstage, though the WOS one contains a lot of caveats, and 2* from The Times. A jaded 3* in the Daily Telegraph, and also 3* in the Guardian, The Stage and ES.
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Post by Polly1 on Feb 13, 2019 10:31:23 GMT
I think I might be one of the five people left in the world who doesn’t know what happens in All About Eve, so I am very thankful for the spoiler tags. I’ve approached this thread with caution because I was also one of the two remaining people who didn’t know the plot of A Star Is Born, and I had that spoiled reading the thread on here. Sometimes this board really makes me realise how little I know about older movies. I am that other person! Seeing A Star is Born tonight, unspoiled and hoping to get to the live transmission of AAE. Cautiously skimming this thread, def not reading reviews.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 10:41:06 GMT
I too have never seen All About Eve and am only skimming this thread rather than fully reading every post. Honestly, popping the spoiler tag on a post doesn't *hurt* anyone, I don't understand why people are so resistant to the idea...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 20:24:25 GMT
Ben Brantley, NYT, not a fan of what Ivo has done here. Review: ‘All About Eve’ Gets the Vampire Treatment from Ivo van Hove nyti.ms/2UWWY0m"Yet as adapted and directed by the international auteur Ivo van Hove, what was originally a crackling, high-gloss satire now feels like a horror movie without a pulse. The shades of lurid red that saturate the sets and costumes for this production, which opened on Tuesday night with Gillian Anderson as its enervated star, suggest nothing so much as the fast-drying lifeblood of an exsanguinated masterpiece."
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Post by londontheatrefan on Feb 14, 2019 10:26:16 GMT
Count me in the interested but unmoved, but interested in my unmovedness. All to say I don't think this is Van Hove's strongest work, and I'm one that counts him as a genius when he gets it right. But it's no Jude Law and Motor Oil either, for which we can all be thankful. The camerawork for me, while I can see and yes be interested in as a conceit did little for me at best, and frustrated me at worst. I also ultimalty think that in putting a film back on stage it's the stage element and the intimacy, and interest that offers you should be playing with and while my little Ivo devil's advocate in my head goes 'ah but that's why then putting cameras back in makes it interesting' the rest of me goes 'ah but shut up Ivo I don't care'. Because for me ultimalty they frustrated the story, and i don't think that was the point of them. I did enjoy the use of the one on the mirror and the mix of the pre-record and the live images there, that was an interesting use of it. But the lengthy scenes locked away in shipping containers filmed and projected were not I don't think, adding anything. Ivo's strength also is when he strips a piece back and lets it speak for itself. That's why Kushner considers his Angels the best, that's why his View from a Bridge was so powerful, that's what made Lazurus asi incomprehensible as that was, evocative and engaging. And there are frustrating moments where that happens here, but there are also parts where it's too troubled with camera work and over direction. And ultimalty it made me think not feel, and somehow I feel like I should feel more with this. Because there's so much in it- there's so much about women and the way they treat each other and the way they see each other and themselves, there's so much about ageing, and women and beauty and yes how men add to that. And I felt I should have been raging and burning at it, and yet...aside from wanting to yell 'AMEN GIRL' when Gillian declares 'I hate men' mostly I was more thinking 'hmm interesting' than 'YES THAT TOO' which is a missed opportunity I felt. Gillian I felt too didn't get a chance to rise to the occasion. She does some stellar work, and a Margo that is as cold as ice is again, an interesting approach. But it felt like she was at times doing 'Gillian Anderson' and at times stuck in third gear a bit- knowing what she can do, this didn't quite click (and I say that as a full on Gillian worshipper here). Lily James was admirable and I loved what she did, lurking in the background until she pounced. Of them all Monica Dolan was the Queen however, waltzing in and stealing every scene she was in. Julian, well Julian is looking rather lovely and becoming something of a silver fox. But that aside he does quiet but great work. I agree about the slow doom laden pace, and that works, there's a quiet fear and sadness in that, and that's the good Ivo coming out. I think Bad Ivo currently is half stuck in Network and not quite working out how the same idea translates here- because the film feed might well have worked but it doesn't feel like it quite does. Anyway a sneaky early review here: thenerdytheatre.blogspot.com/2019/02/all-about-eve-noel-coward-theatre.htmlThis has summed up everything I feel about the production - thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 10:32:02 GMT
londontheatrefan you're welcome! honestly I fear for my life next weekend when a HOARD of Gillian fans are in town. Oh yeah heads up kids, anyone going next Saturday there are a large amount of Gillian/X Files fans going because they're in town for David Duchovny's concert the night before. (I'm going to the latter cos I'm a sucker for that man's midlife crisis through song, ducked out of the former thankfully)
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Post by londontheatrefan on Feb 14, 2019 10:36:35 GMT
londontheatrefan you're welcome! honestly I fear for my life next weekend when a HOARD of Gillian fans are in town. Oh yeah heads up kids, anyone going next Saturday there are a large amount of Gillian/X Files fans going because they're in town for David Duchovny's concert the night before. (I'm going to the latter cos I'm a sucker for that man's midlife crisis through song, ducked out of the former thankfully) Stage door should be fun that night...!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 10:45:57 GMT
londontheatrefan you're welcome! honestly I fear for my life next weekend when a HOARD of Gillian fans are in town. Oh yeah heads up kids, anyone going next Saturday there are a large amount of Gillian/X Files fans going because they're in town for David Duchovny's concert the night before. (I'm going to the latter cos I'm a sucker for that man's midlife crisis through song, ducked out of the former thankfully) Stage door should be fun that night...! Oh indeedy ....I will be far away at Vaults being far more civilised...actually probably drinking but you know, far away across the river. (the friends I'm down with are going and I basically said 'Good luck with that see you at home!'
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Post by londontheatrefan on Feb 14, 2019 10:51:28 GMT
Stage door should be fun that night...! Oh indeedy ....I will be far away at Vaults being far more civilised...actually probably drinking but you know, far away across the river. (the friends I'm down with are going and I basically said 'Good luck with that see you at home!' That sounds a lot more appealing!
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Post by floorshow on Feb 14, 2019 11:27:03 GMT
londontheatrefan you're welcome! honestly I fear for my life next weekend when a HOARD of Gillian fans are in town. Oh yeah heads up kids, anyone going next Saturday there are a large amount of Gillian/X Files fans going because they're in town for David Duchovny's concert the night before. (I'm going to the latter cos I'm a sucker for that man's midlife crisis through song, ducked out of the former thankfully) I have watched youtube clips of him onstage, including a duet with Gillian - it's a difficult experience to describe! Is the audience just Xphiles or are they music fans too?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 11:38:40 GMT
londontheatrefan you're welcome! honestly I fear for my life next weekend when a HOARD of Gillian fans are in town. Oh yeah heads up kids, anyone going next Saturday there are a large amount of Gillian/X Files fans going because they're in town for David Duchovny's concert the night before. (I'm going to the latter cos I'm a sucker for that man's midlife crisis through song, ducked out of the former thankfully) I have watched youtube clips of him onstage, including a duet with Gillian - it's a difficult experience to describe! Is the audience just Xphiles or are they music fans too? If I were a betting woman I'd say mainly XPhiles and a few confused people who wandered in off the street?! Honestly he's a fun performer and the music is nice, I had a really fun time at the Union Chapel gig last year...but a difficult experience to describe is right?!
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Post by floorshow on Feb 14, 2019 12:20:23 GMT
I have watched youtube clips of him onstage, including a duet with Gillian - it's a difficult experience to describe! Is the audience just Xphiles or are they music fans too? If I were a betting woman I'd say mainly XPhiles and a few confused people who wandered in off the street?! Honestly he's a fun performer and the music is nice, I had a really fun time at the Union Chapel gig last year...but a difficult experience to describe is right?! If the Union Chapel gig had been closer to home I would have been tempted to go, I'm not sure he should be encouraged though! I once paid good money to see Steven Seagal's blues band which was a unique experience in its own way, fun but not right.
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Post by l0islane on Feb 14, 2019 13:57:02 GMT
It was the first organised stagedoor last night and there were lots of people but it was all very civilised. Gillian signed behind the merch desk in the lobby and people formed an orderly queue out the door while ushers checked that everyone had a ticket or programme and reminded everyone no selfies. I don't think there will be much ruckus, even on the David concert weekend, I've seen Gillian shout at a huge crowd of very excited fans and tell them to form a line and they all did so very dutifully, she's a force to be reckoned with!!
Lily James signed at the stagedoor and it was far more disorganised with only some fans getting signatures and some being upset etc. She'd be better off joining Gillian in the lobby.
David Duchovny on stage is fun if you just enjoy seeing him love what he's doing. My friend and I followed his tour around Europe last time and it was a lot of fun, but a great singer he is not! (although his second album is marginally better than the first one!). The novelty must have worn off though because I'm not even going to his London show this time!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:03:11 GMT
I don't think I'd mess with Gillian to be honest. Probably why she's perfect casting as Thatcher in 'The Crown'.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 14, 2019 16:39:01 GMT
There are 2 tickets in the second row of the stalls for 60£ each, for tonight's show
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Post by bluetoothpick on Feb 14, 2019 23:41:13 GMT
Has the run time for this settled down now?
What time is an evening show coming down, roughly?
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Post by neil71 on Feb 15, 2019 3:45:46 GMT
Curious about how the sightlines are with all of this screen malarkey. Where is the main screen? Directly above the stage? Slightly concerned as we splashed out on £15 slip seats. Still looking forward to it, if only so we can listen to PJ's mood music.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 15, 2019 11:09:00 GMT
My friend who faints at stage blood read a review that mentioned 'horror', and needs to know if there's a gore warning on this. Any blood? Psychological horror/thriller territory is fine for her, it's literally the red stuff that sends her over the edge.
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