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Post by sf on Oct 20, 2017 22:39:30 GMT
To decide that anyone shouldn't be directing a story because it is centred on people of the opposite gender is absurd anyway. It is. And that's not quite the point I made. Nobody's talking about "stiffling" the creative process, or even stifling it, and how fascinating to see you equate opening the door to include more women in creative roles with stifling the creative process. I didn't suggest, either, that anyone shouldn't be "directing a story because it is centred on people of the opposite gender". I'm simply pointing out that the theatre world is neither as inclusive nor as representative as it should be. |
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Oct 20, 2017 23:16:47 GMT
To decide that anyone shouldn't be directing a story because it is centred on people of the opposite gender is absurd anyway. It is. And that's not quite the point I made. Nobody's talking about "stiffling" the creative process, or even stifling it, and how fascinating to see you equate opening the door to include more women in creative roles with stifling the creative process. I didn't suggest, either, that anyone shouldn't be "directing a story because it is centred on people of the opposite gender". I'm simply pointing out that the theatre world is neither as inclusive nor as representative as it should be. Out of interest, why have you picked this particular piece to raise this point? You seem to link your point to the fact that the show is about two women. I fully support your call for equality. But I think that women are quite capable of directing men (and vice versa)! |
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Post by dazzerlump on Oct 20, 2017 23:43:21 GMT
ooh I would live Louise Dearman as Angel and Ruthie as Anna.. cant wait for this though, booked today. A company I have done shows with was attempting to get the rights recently, this would explain why they couldn't!
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 20, 2017 23:50:28 GMT
Good news
But have to say unfortunately this has been a terrible year for the Southwark Playhouse artistic wise, they certainly haven't lived up to previous years, which is itself is strange as this would be the perfect theatre to do co-production with the Hope Mill Theatre, Manchester.
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Post by sf on Oct 21, 2017 0:11:53 GMT
It is. And that's not quite the point I made. Nobody's talking about "stiffling" the creative process, or even stifling it, and how fascinating to see you equate opening the door to include more women in creative roles with stifling the creative process. I didn't suggest, either, that anyone shouldn't be "directing a story because it is centred on people of the opposite gender". I'm simply pointing out that the theatre world is neither as inclusive nor as representative as it should be. Out of interest, why have you picked this particular piece to raise this point? You seem to link your point to the fact that the show is about two women. I fully support your call for equality. But I think that women are quite capable of directing men (and vice versa)! I never suggested men weren't capable of directing women. I'm sure the people signed up for this production will do a good job. That's not quite the point. The reason it's on my mind is actually not entirely about this specific production, and mostly just coincidence - a face-to-face conversation I had the other day with a (male) friend about what we'd seen this year and who had directed it, and another (female) friend's rather sharp reaction to the announcement of this production on Twitter. I know the Southwark Playhouse had a woman direct 'Promises, Promises' (which, as it happens, she did very, very badly indeed, for reasons that have nothing to do with her gender), and that's great, but it's not enough. Over the past two years I've seen five productions that originated there (Grey Gardens, Allegro, Promises Promises, and Working at the Southwark Playhouse, and In the Heights at King's Cross). Of those five, four were directed by men. The majority of the creative positions on all those productions were filled by men. I think by and large the Southwark Playhouse does very good work - but that's an issue, even though I don't imagine for a moment that it's the result of any kind of plot to keep women out. Diversity and inclusivity, in this country, are not things we deal with particularly well. You might hope that would be less true in the arts , but that world is still very male, very white, and very middle-class, particularly behind the scenes. |
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Post by drowseychap on Oct 21, 2017 1:30:31 GMT
The rink has been done over here since the original London production .... there was an excellent production at the Coventry Belgrade a few years ago it starrred the original angel Diane Langton playing Anna ... was the first time I’d ever heard of it .... and the theatre told me they staged it only because cabaret was unavailable and were stopped doing Chicago as film and West End was on ... the rink was a revelation I went 4 times then bought both broadway and London cast recordings it’s still now one of my favourites ive been hoping for a new production for years
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Post by musicalmarge on Oct 22, 2017 7:32:49 GMT
Good news But have to say unfortunately this has been a terrible year for the Southwark Playhouse artistic wise, they certainly haven't lived up to previous years, which is itself is strange as this would be the perfect theatre to do co-production with the Hope Mill Theatre, Manchester. This is nonsense. Working was the best production of that musical ever - even Stephen Schwartz said so. I went three times. The Life although too long (fault of the book) was an amazing attempt to do a huge broadway musical in a tiny space. Those two productions alone still make Southwark in my eyes the best Fringe venue (and for those prices). |
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Post by paplazaroo on Oct 22, 2017 7:50:23 GMT
Maybe a dumb question but does this include roller skating?
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Post by martin1965 on Oct 22, 2017 8:26:14 GMT
Good news But have to say unfortunately this has been a terrible year for the Southwark Playhouse artistic wise, they certainly haven't lived up to previous years, which is itself is strange as this would be the perfect theatre to do co-production with the Hope Mill Theatre, Manchester. This is nonsense. Working was the best production of that musical ever - even Stephen Schwartz said so. I went three times. The Life although too long (fault of the book) was an amazing attempt to do a huge broadway musical in a tiny space. Those two productions alone still make Southwark in my eyes the best Fringe venue (and for those prices). The Cardinal was amazing too, put the RSC to shame! |
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Post by sf on Oct 22, 2017 15:29:49 GMT
Maybe a dumb question but does this include roller skating? Yes it does. |
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Post by drowseychap on Oct 22, 2017 17:10:35 GMT
Maybe a dumb question but does this include roller skating? Only one number in the production I saw were gonna go round the rink which was fabulous |
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Post by schuttep on Oct 23, 2017 14:50:16 GMT
First time I've had to see this since the production at The Orange Tree in Richmond a gazillion years ago!
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Post by littlesally on Feb 1, 2018 11:18:27 GMT
Southwark promising exciting casting news this week.
Anyrumours or inside information? Any dream casting suggestions?
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Post by alece10 on Feb 1, 2018 11:20:47 GMT
Southwark promising exciting casting news this week. Anyrumours or inside information? Any dream casting suggestions? Chita and Liza apparantly reprising their roles. Liza will have a zimmer instead of roller skates. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:25:39 GMT
How about Sally Ann Triplett and Natasha Barnes
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 1, 2018 12:28:30 GMT
How about Sally Ann Triplett and Natasha Barnes Isn't Sally Ann going to replace Carolee Carmello in Sweeney Todd pretty soon? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 12:34:39 GMT
Is she really? I never knew that. She's not an obvious choice for Mrs Lovette
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Post by stageyninja83 on Feb 1, 2018 12:35:19 GMT
How about Sally Ann Triplett and Natasha Barnes Natasha Barnes' baby is due in May so don't think she'll be back to acting for this. |
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Post by stevej678 on Feb 1, 2018 23:15:57 GMT
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Post by zahidf on Feb 1, 2018 23:16:19 GMT
Caroline o connor in this
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Post by littlesally on Feb 1, 2018 23:25:08 GMT
Perfect!
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 1, 2018 23:30:51 GMT
I might have screamed.
CAROLINE O CONNOR!!!!😍😍😂
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Post by theatremadness on Feb 1, 2018 23:39:22 GMT
Wonder if she'll be on £100 a week!
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Post by princeton on Feb 1, 2018 23:46:04 GMT
Interesting - as she was Diane Langton's understudy as Angel in the very short lived production at the Cambridge Theatre in 1998.
Update - a fact which Baz tweeted 10 minutes after I posted this. Do we think he is a lurker?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 0:53:37 GMT
Yes she's a big name drawer for the Southwark Playhouse, but there's something about her voice that grates on me. There never seems to be any light or shade in her tone.
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