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Post by fiyero on Jan 29, 2024 12:42:14 GMT
Would it be that hard to restage for a smaller theatre? I know some of the set pieces were big but I don't think any of them were essential if they can't take them. It needs a fair size cast due to all the witches and children but, as much as I loved the staging, I feel that could be shrunk.
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Jan 29, 2024 15:39:09 GMT
It can't go anywhere. It was made for the Olivier which means it either comes back to the Olivier or it goes to Drury Lane. It's not going to Drury Lane and I hear that it's not back for next Christmas either so I'm not sure what's happening. What about the Gillian Lynne after Sky’s Edge? Or is Sky’s Edge set to extend? |
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Post by Being Alive on Jan 29, 2024 15:41:56 GMT
Unless it's drastically shrunk, this wouldn't fit in the Gillian Lynne - I cannot stress how massive this show is...
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 29, 2024 20:31:58 GMT
Unless it's drastically shrunk, this wouldn't fit in the Gillian Lynne - I cannot stress how massive this show is... This. There is no wing space in the Gillian Lynne , or depth to the stage. The Witches uses every inch of the Olivier- the only stage it could currently fit on is Drury Lane. I’m not exaggerating. |
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 9:24:10 GMT
There’s been many a rumour circulating that this’ll fill the gap between Oz and Totoro, any thoughts?
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Post by bigredapple on Apr 24, 2024 9:33:15 GMT
There’s been many a rumour circulating that this’ll fill the gap between Oz and Totoro, any thoughts? Judging by comments here, it does seem it would have to be re worked a lot for the smaller stage But personally I’d love to see it transfer! With a few small changes  |
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Post by thedrowsychaperone on Apr 24, 2024 9:37:50 GMT
There’s been many a rumour circulating that this’ll fill the gap between Oz and Totoro, any thoughts? Won't Oz finish late December and did I see that Totoro opens in March? A rather small gap (and undesirable time of year) to load in a fully re-worked set for a large musical! |
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Post by backtothetheatre on Apr 24, 2024 9:58:18 GMT
There’s been many a rumour circulating that this’ll fill the gap between Oz and Totoro, any thoughts? Won't Oz finish late December and did I see that Totoro opens in March? A rather small gap (and undesirable time of year) to load in a fully re-worked set for a large musical! The Wizard of Oz is only on for 3 weeks. 15 August - 8 September. |
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 9:58:55 GMT
This isn't going to the Gillian Lynne.
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 10:44:38 GMT
This isn't going to the Gillian Lynne. How do you know this? |
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 10:47:06 GMT
Because it doesn't fit?
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 10:52:43 GMT
This is where I feel that you are incorrect. The Gillian Lynne has had two National Theatre transfers that have been perfectly downsized to fit the stage. The theatre’s layout is almost identical to the National’s. There’s a lot more evidence pointing yes towards this transfer than you actually realise, you’ve been anti-this since January so I’m not surprised that you’re out here saying it won’t transfer. Have you got any better ideas? Because there’s many reasons I could list as evidence right now as to why this would be an expert transfer from The National and LW Theatres. |
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 10:56:26 GMT
And considering they’ve just announced Totoro for the Gillian Lynne.. I just saw a Tweet that stated about wing space at the GL being the only one big enough to store one of the largest set pieces in the show. So this disproves your comment regarding wing space for The Witches.
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Post by Jon on Apr 24, 2024 10:58:07 GMT
Standing at the Sky's Edge didn't originate at the National TBF it originated at the Sheffield Crucible which is smaller than the Olivier.
Just because theatres have similar layout does not mean they have similar stages or backstage capacity.
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Post by thedrowsychaperone on Apr 24, 2024 10:58:40 GMT
Won't Oz finish late December and did I see that Totoro opens in March? A rather small gap (and undesirable time of year) to load in a fully re-worked set for a large musical! The Wizard of Oz is only on for 3 weeks. 15 August - 8 September. Apologies, I'd somehow got it in my head that Oz was going in for Christmas! |
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 11:00:04 GMT
Just because you don’t like the show.. I get it, it’s not for everyone, but you’ve got to admit with the Christmas season and also Halloween season being free too, it would be an amazing seller for the GL and LW Theatres, no? Because they would’ve extended Oz otherwise, it seems to have been put there as a filler and money maker as they’ve definitely got something large scheduled in that 7 month gap before Totoro. Now, it may not be The Witches and if it isn’t, I’ll stand corrected but I don’t see why it shouldn’t get a shot like the rest of the National Theatre’s transfers that’ve been to the GL?
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 11:02:02 GMT
Standing at the Sky's Edge didn't originate at the National TBF it originated at the Sheffield Crucible which is smaller than the Olivier. Just because theatres have similar layout does not mean they have similar stages or backstage capacity. Apologies about Sky’s Edge, I forgot about Sheffield’s run. But I feel like the idea of The Witches shouldn’t be shut off for the GL? What would you suggest goes in there for 7 months? The only other show I’ve heard about moving into this space is Newsies and apparently that transfer was due from September but was pushed/cancelled? |
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Post by ceebee on Apr 24, 2024 11:30:04 GMT
Standing at the Sky's Edge didn't originate at the National TBF it originated at the Sheffield Crucible which is smaller than the Olivier. Just because theatres have similar layout does not mean they have similar stages or backstage capacity. Apologies about Sky’s Edge, I forgot about Sheffield’s run. But I feel like the idea of The Witches shouldn’t be shut off for the GL? What would you suggest goes in there for 7 months? The only other show I’ve heard about moving into this space is Newsies and apparently that transfer was due from September but was pushed/cancelled? Just For One Day... just for seven months... |
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 11:34:47 GMT
If you go back to my review of the show (at the top of this page!), you'll find there's a lot about the show I liked, and I wanted bits of it to be better because it's got bags of potential so I don't know where you've come up with the idea that I'm anti-Witches TBF.
I'm just trying to explain that this show is enormous (the NT themselves literally acknowledged they made a show that can only fit into Drury Lane) and the Gillian Lynne does not have the capability to house it...
Something else is filling at least some of that 7 months to be announced shortly.
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Post by Jon on Apr 24, 2024 11:36:10 GMT
Seven months is not really enough time for a large scale musical like The Witches to recoup, I think Just For One Day which has a lot of commercial producers attached plus slightly easier to transfer has a better shot of going in for a limited run.
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Post by blamerobots on Apr 24, 2024 11:43:22 GMT
There’s been many a rumour circulating that this’ll fill the gap between Oz and Totoro, any thoughts? I haven't heard these rumours; the only reason I brought it up in another thread is just harmless "Oh I'd love to see the Witches"  From what I've seen people talk about it's probably more likely to be something smaller-scale, something that can, as said, recoup in those 7 months (hence why Oz is going there. I mean that's just an LED screen from what I've seen...) I've heard nothing about any particular shows that could go there though, I'm assuming that it's already been arranged and is under a super strict embargo, hence why we are getting no rumours.
From what I understand, more rumours tend to arise because talks are still underway... when they're done, it's rarer for them to come out the woodwork, and usually they come out because the announcement is days away.
Newsies, after Troubadour Park, I don't see returning. I saw it mid-way through its run; half the theatre was empty. I went from being at the very back to halfway down the theatre after the interval because there were that many seats empty. After looking at other days, the other bookings said the same thing to me. I think they must have kept quiet how much it was papering.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 17:07:21 GMT
Probably worth highlighting (as it was mentioned that two Olivier productions transferred to the Gillian Lynne):
Standing At The Sky's Edge was originally a crucible production so was scaled up slightly for the Olivier. There was always a smaller version of it and it is one static set.
War Horse did not use the full Olivier stage, so was able to fairly easily fit into the New London as it didn't require the full vastness of the Olivier and had one set with minimal additions.
The Witches used the FULL Olivier stage (with multiple sets), it's revolve, and a fair chunk of it's massive wing space, so the scale of it is WAY grander than either of the two shows used as examples of shows that moved to the GL.
You can't scale this show down to fit into the GL - it would require a full redesign, and that is not happening.
I'm not being obtuse for the sake of it here.
The Witches, as far as I'm aware from people at the NT, is not looking to return.
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 17:21:53 GMT
Probably worth highlighting (as it was mentioned that two Olivier productions transferred to the Gillian Lynne): Standing At The Sky's Edge was originally a crucible production so was scaled up slightly for the Olivier. There was always a smaller version of it and it is one static set. War Horse did not use the full Olivier stage, so was able to fairly easily fit into the New London as it didn't require the full vastness of the Olivier and had one set with minimal additions. The Witches used the FULL Olivier stage (with multiple sets), it's revolve, and a fair chunk of it's massive wing space, so the scale of it is WAY grander than either of the two shows used as examples of shows that moved to the GL. You can't scale this show down to fit into the GL - it would require a full redesign, and that is not happening. I'm not being obtuse for the sake of it here. The Witches, as far as I'm aware from people at the NT, is not looking to return. Okay, apologies for the miscommunication. I guess we will find out in due time, as I’ve heard other things. Thank you for the insight into the scale of things |
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 17:26:01 GMT
It also financially makes no sense to fill a maximum three months gap with a complete redesign which will cost tens upon tens of thousands to build when there's no time to make any of the money back, along with the whole scale thing.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 24, 2024 19:54:51 GMT
This is true. They would have to drastically redesign The Witches to fit in the GL- there is no wing space- and no depth.
I really don’t think anyone would invest that kind of money in it, it’s not good enough, and it wasn’t a big enough hit to justify the expense.
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