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Post by tonyloco on Sept 24, 2017 23:11:17 GMT
The Copley production was always just two intervals with acts 1 and 2 run together. The trend at The Garden for over ten years or so is to have fewer intervals. Many productions in the 70s and 80s used to end at 11.00pm or later. Now everything is timed to end on, or before 10.30 pm. Back in my day, the MU overtime still kicked in at 10.30 and although some performances did go towards 11 pm. it was more common that to compensate for the prescribed intervals (which always seemed fairly short like maybe 15 or 20 minutes) they would have more earlier starting times. But it was always to suit the Royal Opera and not their patrons!
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Post by tmesis on Sept 24, 2017 23:16:34 GMT
Yes, I use it all the time, mainly to add artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald unconvincing narrative. Pooh Bar from the Mikado - I'm just showing off now, as I said elsewhere I was, as a student. rehearsal accompanist for G&S productions and can still play most of the songs and parrot most of the dialogue.
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 25, 2017 0:05:41 GMT
[tr][td class="content"][article] Pooh Bar from the Mikado - I'm just showing off now, as I said elsewhere I was, as a student. rehearsal accompanist for G&S productions and can still play most of the songs and parrot most of the dialogue. [/article] I never played for any G&S rehearsals as such but I did play for HMS Pinafore in 1959 in Sydney and in the late 1950s I think I could recite almost all of Gilbert's lyrics, even those from 'The Sorcerer' and 'Princess Ida' although I never did come to grips with the last two ('The Grand Duke' and 'Utopia Limited'). When my EMI boss was courting Lennie Bernstein away from the competition to make a couple of recordings for EMI, one of the baits he used was to offer Lennie a recording of 'The Mikado', which the great man professed to adore, but alas it never happened!
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Post by tmesis on Sept 25, 2017 7:42:52 GMT
That's fascinating. would have love to hear Lenny conduct G&S!
Here's another (unrelated) fascinating fact; in James Kaplan's book on Sinatra he mentions that 'the chairman' not only loved opera, particularly Puccini, but he was also a great fan of Vaughan Williams.
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Post by Mr Snow on Sept 28, 2017 11:37:33 GMT
...and Luis Armstrong used to warm up playing aria's. But then not so long ago Opera was not just a niche interest and the tunes were on Barrel organs!
Time prevents me explaing exactly why, but I thought this was a really good show. Loved the sets and it got the lightheartedness of youth very well, thus making the ending even sadder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 14:16:00 GMT
BBC Four will be showing this production on Christmas Day at 7PM
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Post by tmesis on Dec 11, 2017 16:50:49 GMT
BBC Four will be showing this production on Christmas Day at 7PM Yes, this is great news.
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 26, 2017 12:10:05 GMT
I am sorry to report that I was disappointed in the new ROH production of La bohème shown on TV yesterday. As expected, it was musically strong under Pappano's conducting and I thought all the singers did well, although personally I found Nicole Car strangely unconvincing. Perhaps because she seemed too 'modern' and I detected a slight touch of hysteria in her singing, right from her first aria, although I did enjoy her in the last act.
My main quibble was with the production that seemed to be trying to be faithful to the original setting of the opera in 1830 Paris and yet included details that I thought rather hard to believe. For example, the garret in which the four bohemians were living was freezing cold, a fact that was made perfectly clear when they had to burn Rodolfo's play to keep warm and yet they seemed happy to have an open skylight with a ladder going through it. When Mimì arrived asking for a light for her candle, she said she was short of breath from having climbed the stairs, presumably from having been outside, and yet she had neither a coat nor a shawl, although the bohemians had put on warm clothes and large velvet hats in order to go outside to a café. And Mimì left the garret with Rodolfo to go outside, again with no shawl or coat and neither she nor Rodolfo seemed to notice this. Apart from the open skylight, I wasn't totally convinced by the design of the garret, especially as it is supposed to have a large window to admit light for Marcello to paint and for Mimì to be bathed in moonlight for the final duet. And, as far as I recall, there was virtually no change in the rather flat, bright lighting of the set for the whole of the act, despite being told how dark it was after Rodolfo had extinguished his own candle and they are scrabbling around in the darkness looking for Mimì's key ('Al buio non si trova') when their hands meet for 'Che gelida manina'.
Act II was a spectacular bit of staging but Café Momus seemed to be a rather grand indoor restaurant with high quality crystal glasses and crockery and not the popular boulevard café where the shenanigans of Musetta could be witnessed by the crowds in the street who in this case had to be looking into the restaurant through closed windows.
Act III gave us a very odd kind of inn that seemed to be just a single small hut so one wondered how Marcello and Musetta could actually be living there with Musetta giving singing lessons to the guests. I didn't mind the absence of the customs barrier at a gate to the city although it is supposed to be part of the setting.
Act IV also gave me another worry about Mimì's poor dress sense when she arrived in a topless frock with no coat or shawl, even though she tells us how cold her hands are and she would love to have a muff.
Sorry to be distracted by these production details but this is a flagship production at the Royal Opera House on which a lot of money has been spent and it is intended for frequent revival. I certainly have no great urge to see it again for its own sake.
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Post by Coated on Dec 27, 2017 3:55:43 GMT
And it looks even worse from the cheap seats up in the Gods - unless you enjoy watching characters through beams or mostly/entirely hidden by the roof.
The previous production was old and I was ready to see something new, but didn't expect to get something so devoid of charm and whimsy. One of the worst things for me apart from the problems Tony has already listed was the children's chorus lined up like little soldiers, delivering a static orderly scene.
Didn't think much of the cast when I saw it either, competent, but in no way exciting.
I'll only book another Jones Boheme if the world's most amazing cast is scheduled to appear. Other than that I'll wait until they either start showing something like the Parisian Boheme in space or they revive the Copley version.
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 28, 2017 1:04:35 GMT
I'll only book another Jones Boheme if the world's most amazing cast is scheduled to appear. Other than that I'll wait until they either start showing something like the Parisian Boheme in space or they revive the Copley version. Now that's an interesting thought, Coated. In attending productions of both opera and ballet at the Royal Opera House for some 57 years, I am not aware of any old production of an opera ever being revived once it has been replaced by a new one. With the ballet, we did have what was supposed to be a revival of the old much-loved 'Sleeping Beauty' a few years ago, except that it wasn't actually a fully accurate reproduction because one of the most memorable moments of that old production was totally missing, namely Aurora's first appearance across the back of the stage through a kind of colonnade before she entered onto the main stage. To see Fonteyn making that first entrance was a moment of sheer magic that one never forgot.
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Post by tmesis on Dec 28, 2017 11:39:11 GMT
I really enjoyed this on Christmas Day - probably more than when I saw it live (or maybe it was just the large amounts of Guinness and red wine I had consumed that coloured my response.)
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 28, 2017 12:28:48 GMT
I can imagine acts 1&4 look terrible from any seat costing under £100
My laugh out loud highlight was Act 3’s moving hut!
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 28, 2017 13:00:06 GMT
My laugh out loud highlight was Act 3’s moving hut! Yes, moving edifices are well-liked at that address in Bow Street. I seem to remember a recent production of Verdi's 'Don Carlo' in which the tomb of Emperor Charles V never stopped wandering around the stage. No wonder the poor dead monarch appeared in Act V as he had not been allowed to rest in peace in his restless resting place!
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 28, 2017 13:23:23 GMT
I really enjoyed this on Christmas Day - probably more than when I saw it live (or maybe it was just the large amounts of Guinness and red wine I had consumed that coloured my response.) Of course you enjoyed it, tmesis. No doubt the Christmas booze helped, but it was a musically strong performance of one of the great masterpieces in the modern operatic canon. Despite the unsatisfactory aspects of the production, how could one not respond to Puccini's brilliant testament to the joys and sorrows of youth, especially when it was played so well and sung by such an accomplished cast – and we didn't have to shell out any money to see it with the excellent view of the BBC TV cameras, apart from what we pay for our TV Licence (and I get mine for free now as I am so old anyway). Leaving aside my response to the production, the biggest annoyance for me was the usual unwanted stuff at the start covering rehearsals and interviews with singers and such, a distraction totally absent from the broadcast of 'Oklahoma!' from the Proms.
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Post by tmesis on Dec 28, 2017 17:52:38 GMT
I really enjoyed this on Christmas Day - probably more than when I saw it live (or maybe it was just the large amounts of Guinness and red wine I had consumed that coloured my response.) Of course you enjoyed it, tmesis. No doubt the Christmas booze helped, but it was a musically strong performance of one of the great masterpieces in the modern operatic canon. Despite the unsatisfactory aspects of the production, how could one not respond to Puccini's brilliant testament to the joys and sorrows of youth, especially when it was played so well and sung by such an accomplished cast – and we didn't have to shell out any money to see it with the excellent view of the BBC TV cameras, apart from what we pay for our TV Licence (and I get mine for free now as I am so old anyway). Leaving aside my response to the production, the biggest annoyance for me was the usual unwanted stuff at the start covering rehearsals and interviews with singers and such, a distraction totally absent from the broadcast of 'Oklahoma!' from the Proms. I dislike how they play bits of the highlights, Musetta's Waltz Song et al, in the opening 'documentary' - thus spoiling the organic nature of one of the most perfectly written operas ever. It really is a miracle of concision with each act around half an hour (act two is only around 25 mins and what a huge amount happens there.) Despite this concision though, acts one, three and four seem to have the expansiveness of a Wagner opera, with seemingly huge amounts of time to put over the changing, and gradually more heightened, emotions. But then you realise that Puccini's genius has created an aural illusion and very little actual time has passed. I can't think of another opera that achieves this so well.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Dec 28, 2017 20:15:44 GMT
I saw it live with the same cast as was in the BBC broadcast and I loved it. For me it's a solid 4 star production (in many ways very conventional - but it really works for this piece. None of that outer space rubbish) that I will happily re-watch if the cast interests me.
I thought the new fireplace and the Cafe Momos scenes were particularly gorgeous, and it seemed to appeal to the essence of La Boheme. I really liked all the actors, who looked and acted how I imagine the characters should (and age appropriate too).
I've seen a lot of Boheme productions and this was up there with my favourites.
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 28, 2017 23:03:53 GMT
It really is a miracle of concision with each act around half an hour (act two is only around 25 mins and what a huge amount happens there.) Despite this concision though, acts one, three and four seem to have the expansiveness of a Wagner opera, with seemingly huge amounts of time to put over the changing, and gradually more heightened, emotions. But then you realise that Puccini's genius has created an aural illusion and very little actual time has passed. I can't think of another opera that achieves this so well. Yes, I agree. Puccini really got it right with Bohème and we have to thank that great Aussie diva Nellie Melba for saving it from being seriously under-rated during its early years. It's a fascinating story as told by my colleague Roger Neill: "It is not widely appreciated that Melba had a crucial role in building La bohème to be one of the most popular and widely performed operas in the world – a status it holds to this day. Somehow or other, Nellie decided that Puccini was ‘the coming man’ and that Bohème was a masterwork, so she took herself off to the composer’s home town, Lucca, in order to study the role of Mimì with him. Neither the opera nor its author had any great reputation when she did this, so, instead of taking her proposals directly to Covent Garden or the Met, she formed her own company in America and toured the piece across the continent from Philadelphia to San Francisco. That done, Melba felt ready to present the work at Covent Garden, and this she did – opening there on 1 July 1899. The following year, to great acclaim, she took Bohème to the Met in New York and by this stage the opera was firmly established – with Melba occupying the major role, a situation she maintained over the forthcoming quarter century, right up to her Covent Garden farewell. The Scottish prima donna (and Director of Chicago Opera), Mary Garden, wrote in her memoirs: You know, the last note of the first act of La bohème is the last note that comes out of Mimì’s throat. It is a high C, and Mimì sings it when she walks out of the door with Rodolfo. She closes the door and then takes that note… The note came floating over the auditorium of Covent Garden: it left Melba’s throat, it left Melba’s body, it left everything, and came over like a star and passed us in our box, and went out into the infinite. I have never heard anything like it in my life, not from any other singer, ever. It just rolled over the hall of Covent Garden." Having written the above, I wonder whether any of that story is retold in the current Covent Garden 'Bohème' programme? I have related elsewhere that when I first arrived in London from Sydney in March 1960, one of the first things I saw at Covent Garden was La bohème with Jussi Björling and Rosanna Carteri, performed in those same 1899 sets and they were still more than serviceable. And despite the fact that he was serious ill, Björling's singing was just perfection.
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Post by Dawnstar on Dec 29, 2017 18:52:40 GMT
^ That description by Garden of Melba's final note is fabulous. It gave me goosebumps reading it.
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Post by tmesis on Jul 14, 2018 16:20:46 GMT
I went to today's matinee revival of this and a fairly average affair it was. I knew the cast was a bit 'B team-ish' compared to the debut singers but I didn't expect the dull, merely competent run-through it received this afternoon. Atalla Ayan as Rudolfo was underpowered and impoverished of tone, Ekaterina Siurina as Mimi had way too much vibrato and, crucially, didn't emotionally engage - there was almost no frisson between the two of them. Best of all was the least experienced singer, Vlada Borovko as Musetta. I still liked the production though, even though I greatly miss the old Copley one it replaced.
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Post by asfound on Jul 20, 2018 10:26:12 GMT
Kind of odd that there are no student tickets for today's performances considering there are so many seats left. I was hoping to go tonight but can't afford the £147 minimum ticket. Oh well.
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 21, 2018 8:41:28 GMT
I went to today's matinee revival of this and a fairly average affair it was. I knew the cast was a bit 'B team-ish' compared to the debut singers but I didn't expect the dull, merely competent run-through it received this afternoon. Atalla Ayan as Rudolfo was underpowered and impoverished of tone, Ekaterina Siurina as Mimi had way too much vibrato and, crucially, didn't emotionally engage - there was almost no frisson between the two of them. Best of all was the least experienced singer, Vlada Borovko as Musetta. I still liked the production though, even though I greatly miss the old Copley one it replaced. We returned as enfants du paradis, i.e. the slips, and Ms Siurina's voice was simply huge. Gave a thrill but perhaps not best suited to a dying consumptive. Agree balance between two leading parts far form ideal.
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Aug 10, 2018 10:11:48 GMT
Atalla Ayan on form is an exceptional tenor, I would never have cast him in Boheme though.
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Post by tmesis on Nov 6, 2022 17:39:16 GMT
I revisited this production mainly because Juan Diego Florez was singing Rodolfo but more of that later.
This was my third time seeing this production and I now find the set for acts 1 and 4 (which is actually over half the opera) annoying. It really is ugly and reminds me of some horrendous glamping pod.
Musically it was very bottom drawer. Conducted with no warmth of feeling or flair by Kevin John Edusei with a rather steely voiced Mimi in Ailyn Perez. I’ve very much enjoyed Florez when, in lighter roles by Donizetti and Rossini he was the show-pony of the upper tenor tessitura but he has now started to do heavier roles and the voice is way too light and thin for them. I expected this to some extent but his lack of amplitude and warmth was almost laughable at times. Danielle de Niese gave it more oomph but, my God, she over acts the part.
Easily the most charismatic performance of the night was from Andrey Zhilikhovsky as Marcello and he had much more empathy with Florez than Perez did so that their ‘bromance’ duet in Act 4 was really touching - much more than anything sung by Rodolfo and Mimi throughout the evening.
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Post by Distant Dreamer... on Nov 7, 2022 21:18:13 GMT
Your views are highly valued as always tmesis, I’m seeing a different cast at the weekend. I shall share my views.
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