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Post by Honoured Guest on Jul 31, 2017 20:08:41 GMT
Where is his Festen moment at the NT? Market Boy? Were these flukes? Both of them were written by David Eldridge, so Beginning in a couple of months' time may prove to be to Parsley's personal taste.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 20:14:50 GMT
Where is his Festen moment at the NT? Market Boy? Were these flukes? Both of them were written by David Eldridge, so Beginning in a couple of months' time may prove to be to Parsley's personal taste. 🎉🎉🎉
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Post by londonmzfitz on Aug 3, 2017 9:12:43 GMT
*Has Parsley gone? Looks like Parsley has jumped ship ...
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Post by Tibidabo on Aug 3, 2017 9:19:49 GMT
*Has Parsley gone? Looks like Parsley has jumped ship . Oh that's a shame. Often controversial, never personal to members, oft attacked, interesting opinions, I'll miss him and his funny prose. S'long Herby one.
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Post by Jan on Aug 3, 2017 9:44:40 GMT
*Has Parsley gone? Looks like Parsley has jumped ship . Oh that's a shame. Often controversial, never personal to members, oft attacked, interesting opinions, I'll miss him and his funny prose. S'long Herby one. Parsley is one of the few here who have some sort of direct connection with the business (or knows someone who has): frequently at opening nights, knew how shows were doing commercially, met Norris and Sonia etc.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 3, 2017 10:34:04 GMT
There shouldn't be any difference in what is considered acceptable when posting about specific people who are members and those who are not, I never understood the idea that posting comments behind their back is preferable than to their face, when at least they can actually respond.
Also, the same holds for inflammatory comments about whole sections of society (which contain members, if not specifically named).
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 3, 2017 12:11:29 GMT
Norris wore some kind of disco wig to introduce the Queer Season Wig Off reading. Looked damn self-conscious, but it's endearing that he did it.
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Post by tributary on Aug 4, 2017 23:48:04 GMT
Yes, you can't imagine Hytner doing that. But then I can't imagine him presiding over this unholy mess either.
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Post by tributary on Aug 7, 2017 11:42:51 GMT
Could this thread be retitled Rufus Norris? Just spent ages trying to find it!
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 7, 2017 12:06:02 GMT
Knowing most threads it won't stay being about Norris for long, in a week or two it'll about how high the stage is at the Aldwych or elephants or something...
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Post by Jan on Aug 10, 2017 4:35:16 GMT
Bit of a leap surely Jan? I had to google Mr Stone☺ You ought to get out more Marty. Years ago the NT staged The Wild Duck with an actual duck in it and they had to abandon one performance when it wouldn't stop quacking. Despite that Stone cast an actual duck in his production too. That's the sort of brave convention-defying direction we need. I'd have Icke at the NT and let him direct whatever he wants - I mean how come they've let him go abroad to direct Oedipus next year ? I like Benedict Andrews as a director too. Once again the Young Vic and Barbican ahead of the NT in inviting him.
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 10, 2017 5:40:48 GMT
Youre up early! Quacking ducks! Seriously? I saw the three sisters at the young vic and thought it awful. Norris has to have an amazing 2018 or i would think his days are numbered.
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Post by Jan on Aug 10, 2017 11:14:15 GMT
You are making an assumption about where I am in the world at the moment.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 10, 2017 11:38:10 GMT
Bit of a leap surely Jan? I had to google Mr Stone☺ You ought to get out more Marty. Years ago the NT staged The Wild Duck with an actual duck in it and they had to abandon one performance when it wouldn't stop quacking. Despite that Stone cast an actual duck in his production too. That's the sort of brave convention-defying direction we need. I'd have Icke at the NT and let him direct whatever he wants - I mean how come they've let him go abroad to direct Oedipus next year ? I like Benedict Andrews as a director too. Once again the Young Vic and Barbican ahead of the NT in inviting him. Icke is more likely, as with his antipodean cousins, to continue expanding his reach as a peripatetic international director. It is no longer a matter that the UK 'let him go', more a case of how he inhabits an international theatre. I imagine the same will happen with Hill-Gibbins. We've seen company based directors such as Brook, McBurney and Donnellan prosper around the world and latterly Mitchell in a more individual way has opened up the sort of pathway that Icke might follow. My hope for the NT is Goold, who has shown a desire to be building based, plus his protege Icke would likely be asked to slot in a production or two per year. Alongside him maybe someone like Blanche McIntyre and Carrie Cracknell, both of whom have had success with existing repertoire, Michael Longhurst, who is brilliant with new plays and Madani Younis who has revitalised the Bush and who brings a vital different cultural perspective. Many other names come to mind but that's a decent start.
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Post by horton on Aug 10, 2017 12:27:12 GMT
Maybe what people are noticing indirectly is a change of priority between regimes.
I have disliked 90% of the plays in his programme, and as a director, I think Norris is pretty awful. However, I admire his attempt to democratize the National and open its doors.
Hytner's National was a well-drilled commercial machine, but I'm not sure it has to be that by definition. Personally, I prefer it to be a place for many voices, even if some are ultimately of little interest.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 10, 2017 13:17:47 GMT
He has brought in excellent regional theatre transfers, which was one of my hopes, he has also asked interesting new playwrights to create work, unfortunately not always turning out to be their best. He has had real commercial success within the building itself (it remains to be seen if that is kept up this year) and, arguably, a better effect as Hyter in his first years (there was a real quality dip after a successful beginning, although 'The History Boys' success papered over that).
What action would I take? I would shake up the dramaturgical input, those who oversee script development and such, to see if that has a positive effect.
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Post by lynette on Aug 10, 2017 17:01:33 GMT
"Commercial success within the building" Does that mean running a shop and a cafe? Is that his job? I thought other people would do that and Mr N be in charge of what plays are put on... call me naive.
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 10, 2017 17:10:25 GMT
You are making an assumption about where I am in the world at the moment. Ooh youre such a Phineas Fogg!☺
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Post by Jan on Aug 10, 2017 18:46:43 GMT
You are making an assumption about where I am in the world at the moment. Ooh youre such a Phineas Fogg!☺ Phileas Fogg I assume you mean ? Yes. I am.
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Post by Jan on Aug 10, 2017 18:50:21 GMT
You ought to get out more Marty. Years ago the NT staged The Wild Duck with an actual duck in it and they had to abandon one performance when it wouldn't stop quacking. Despite that Stone cast an actual duck in his production too. That's the sort of brave convention-defying direction we need. I'd have Icke at the NT and let him direct whatever he wants - I mean how come they've let him go abroad to direct Oedipus next year ? I like Benedict Andrews as a director too. Once again the Young Vic and Barbican ahead of the NT in inviting him. Icke is more likely, as with his antipodean cousins, to continue expanding his reach as a peripatetic international director. It is no longer a matter that the UK 'let him go', more a case of how he inhabits an international theatre. I imagine the same will happen with Hill-Gibbins. We've seen company based directors such as Brook, McBurney and Donnellan prosper around the world and latterly Mitchell in a more individual way has opened up the sort of pathway that Icke might follow. My hope for the NT is Goold, who has shown a desire to be building based, plus his protege Icke would likely be asked to slot in a production or two per year. Alongside him maybe someone like Blanche McIntyre and Carrie Cracknell, both of whom have had success with existing repertoire, Michael Longhurst, who is brilliant with new plays and Madani Younis who has revitalised the Bush and who brings a vital different cultural perspective. Many other names come to mind but that's a decent start. Goold should have got the job last time, and Norris the Almeida. Next time at the NT the pressure to appoint a female AD will be irresistible so Goold won't get it - too much to hope that he'd change his mind about taking on the RSC too.
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Post by martin1965 on Aug 10, 2017 19:43:48 GMT
Ooh youre such a Phineas Fogg!☺ Phileas Fogg I assume you mean ? Yes. I am. Sigh! Eye roll
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 10, 2017 21:19:03 GMT
"Commercial success within the building" Does that mean running a shop and a cafe? Is that his job? I thought other people would do that and Mr N be in charge of what plays are put on... call me naive. I was referring to his success in terms of ticket sales, which have been excellent overall. He hasn't had the transfers to the West End though (which is why I phrased it as 'within the building').
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Post by lynette on Aug 10, 2017 21:22:02 GMT
"Commercial success within the building" Does that mean running a shop and a cafe? Is that his job? I thought other people would do that and Mr N be in charge of what plays are put on... call me naive. I was referring to his success in terms of ticket sales, which have been excellent overall. He hasn't had the transfers to the West End though (which is why I phrased it as 'within the building'). 😂I obviously need to catch up with the lingo. Sorry!
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 11, 2017 3:22:56 GMT
I was referring to his success in terms of ticket sales, which have been excellent overall. He hasn't had the transfers to the West End though (which is why I phrased it as 'within the building'). But UK touring by the NT has mushroomed, and that's all done on a commercial basis, to subsidise the South Bank theatres.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 11, 2017 9:29:42 GMT
I was referring to his success in terms of ticket sales, which have been excellent overall. He hasn't had the transfers to the West End though (which is why I phrased it as 'within the building'). But UK touring by the NT has mushroomed, and that's all done on a commercial basis, to subsidise the South Bank theatres. Touring is a lagging indicator though, with War Horse, Curious Incident and now This House from the Hytner era making up much of that.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 11, 2017 10:53:58 GMT
Jane Eyre is at present on a similar UK tour, wide and lengthy and to large theatres. And Hedda Gabler is about to start on another such. There have been two concurrent such tours for quite a while, and they continue into the new year at least.
And People, Places and Things is on a limited, midscale tour this autumn, in league with Headlong. And of course My Country had a long and successful middle- to small-scale tour this year, following last year's nationwide triumphant we're here because we're here. And there's the forthcoming NT programme of work in selected hard-to-reach localities.
The NT under Rufus Norris has a far greater and strategically plan commitment to national presence than under Nicholas Hytner, when it amounted to NT Live and a handful of windfall successes to exploit.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 11, 2017 11:36:17 GMT
I very much agree on the strategy regarding the greater regional commitment, which is something I hoped to see (especially now that I've returned north). The way that big hits lead to years of touring is what is currently not being fed into that, though. A History Boys, War Horse and Curious Incident is going go make the balance sheet look healthier and takes some pressure off elsewhere, especially with 3% cut from the Arts Council grant over the next few years. I don't know the arrangement with Bristol Old Vic but they originated the production of Jane Eyre.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 11, 2017 11:46:24 GMT
I don't know the arrangement with Bristol Old Vic but they originated the production of Jane Eyre. Yes, Bristol Old Vic sole-produced the original two-part production. Then, the NT and BOV co-produced the revised, one-part production. And lastly, National Theatre Productions produced the tour of this NT/BOV production. (As you know, BOV is not resourced to set up or to risk such a large-scale tour).
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Post by lynette on Aug 11, 2017 11:47:04 GMT
Great a touring policy and hard to reach places. But what they are touring isn't that marvellous is it? Well, we may agree to differ there. What the NT should be about is the highest quality drama and shows with the highest quality production values and our very best actors. Actors should be begging to play there. Directors queuing up and writers dreaming...with some good studio workouts.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Aug 11, 2017 12:28:52 GMT
But what they are touring isn't that marvellous is it? Well, we may agree to differ there. Yes, we differ! I've seen all the recent NT tours once (One Man Two Guvnors, War Horse, Curious Incident, My Country, Jane Eyre) and they were all excellent productions which worked very well with the audiences. I saw them all in Cardiff and there is no equivalent theatre here, home or touring in, so these NT shows make a genuine enhancement to the wide range of theatre on show here. What the NT should be about is the highest quality drama and shows with the highest quality production values and our very best actors. Actors should be begging to play there. Directors queuing up and writers dreaming...with some good studio workouts. Well, yes to all that. But also, the NT should aspire to be at the forefront of live discussion and exploration of hot issues. Not relying on museum pieces off the shelf. The NT has made huge stridees in this direction under Rufus Norris. Yes, there've been a few recent misfires - probably because of the huge number of new productions which are required to be generated to satisfy the three-plus NT SouthBank stages. By contrast, National Theatre Wales only produces about five shows a year on average and can schedule them as, when and where appropriate. The NT on the SouthBank is, artistically, too much of a sausage factory. Hopefully, the NT will be able to beef up its New Work Department to develop all its future projects to a level more ready for production?
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