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Post by dani on Oct 10, 2017 15:48:41 GMT
I'm feeling apprehensive about seeing this. There are some video clips on the NT website that inspire little confidence. Rory Mullarkey describes it as "a big, epic rollercoaster of a play". I imagine someone might have described Common in similar terms, in advance of anyone actually seeing it and being able to contradict them.
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Post by peelee on Oct 10, 2017 18:30:08 GMT
Apart from Follies the 'Curse of the Olivier' continues; three duff productions now, this, Salome and Consent. I didn't know that Consent ever went to the Olivier. I saw it in the Dorfman earlier this year. It was the very model of a well-written, well-structured play. A fine cast (scroll down here and you can see for yourself: www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/shows/consent ) directed by Roger Michell. What first attracted me to it wasn't the fine cast—though that settled it— it was that it had been written by Nina Raine, author of the brilliant, and I believe eventually prize-winning, Tribes that I'd seen staged at the Royal Court back in 2010 www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/theatre-reviews/8078475/Tribes-Royal-Court-review.html Rather than be slagged off as a failure, just another stick to beat the National Theatre with, as if from that bitchfest of a thread campaigning against Rufus Norris, it deserves recognition for the fine piece of work that it was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 18:42:25 GMT
I think tmesis meant Common and typed Consent by mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 18:59:38 GMT
Apart from Follies the 'Curse of the Olivier' continues; three duff productions now, this, Salome and Consent. I didn't know that Consent ever went to the Olivier. I saw it in the Dorfman earlier this year. It was the very model of a well-written, well-structured play. A fine cast (scroll down here and you can see for yourself: www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/shows/consent ) directed by Roger Michell. What first attracted me to it wasn't the fine cast—though that settled it— it was that it had been written by Nina Raine, author of the brilliant, and I believe eventually prize-winning, Tribes that I'd seen staged at the Royal Court back in 2010 www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/theatre/theatre-reviews/8078475/Tribes-Royal-Court-review.html Rather than be slagged off as a failure, just another stick to beat the National Theatre with, as if from that bitchfest of a thread campaigning against Rufus Norris, it deserves recognition for the fine piece of work that it was. Calm down Ms Raine, I think tmesis was referring to Common - and erroneously typed Consent.
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Post by tmesis on Oct 10, 2017 19:09:04 GMT
I think tmesis meant Common and typed Consent by mistake. Silly me, I did indeed mean Common. I enjoyed Consent!
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 10, 2017 21:33:38 GMT
LOADS of availability for this! Press night is tomorrow - they are going to need fabulous reviews to shift those tickets. Lots of £15 seat too. I just don't know if I can sit through 2.45 of something mediocre - I can see myself leaving at the interval.
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Post by paplazaroo on Oct 12, 2017 6:12:34 GMT
2 stars in The Times but can't read the review due to paywall. Hope this doesn't put them off giving new writers a chance
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 7:02:15 GMT
Did anyone else see the stream of tweets from Shenton from press night and think he was being a complete cock?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 7:20:36 GMT
Wow, what a drama llama! Where has he been these last few weeks? I can think of many things more shocking than a show going up late because of delays in getting tickets to audience members, and I think posting pictures of out-of-order urinals and lifts doesn't really illustrate his point unless his point is that he is becoming slowly unhinged. Shame for the show though, he'll tell you he's entirely impartial because he's a professional critic, but we all know that your mood going in truly does affect how you feel about a piece.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 7:48:44 GMT
Wow, what a drama llama! Where has he been these last few weeks? I can think of many things more shocking than a show going up late because of delays in getting tickets to audience members, and I think posting pictures of out-of-order urinals and lifts doesn't really illustrate his point unless his point is that he is becoming slowly unhinged. Shame for the show though, he'll tell you he's entirely impartial because he's a professional critic, but we all know that your mood going in truly does affect how you feel about a piece. Particularly if you're Drama Llama Shenton. Other critics might TRY and put aside their bad mood and give it a fair go but not him. But really, I know we joke about him a bit on here, and I know he does (deep down) love theatre. BUT I'm getting a bit sick of his juvenile behaviour. Even without the poorly worded commentary, is it really necessary for a critic to bitch about something as trivial as a slightly delayed start? Anyway I've had my Shenton moan I'll shuffle off now.
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Post by lonlad on Oct 12, 2017 8:39:38 GMT
The 3 star reviews from Time Out and The Arts Desk are exactly right - both critics get it perfectly. And the Heff is simply wonderful, as he always is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 9:23:20 GMT
Turns out I'm not done! Shenton has also produced one of the most lazy reviews I've seen in a long time. That wouldn't wash with any of the editors I work with and hell I wouldn't let it was on my own blog. And this is a man who gets paid (probably too much) to review. My goat is well and truly got this morning.
Also I was on the fence about George, but I'm bloody determined to like it now just to spite Shenton. And the toliets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 9:35:03 GMT
I'm always baffled by the apparent size of Shenton's ego, which seems out of all proportion to his job and influence - I mean, The Stage is hardly widely read, is it? It's basically a parish newsletter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 9:38:24 GMT
Shenton's review isn't even for The Stage, Natasha Tripney wrote that one. (I'll be watching with interest to see if all the people who thought her 2* review for Young Frankenstein was just flat-out wrong will be rushing to argue with her 2* review for this one...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:04:27 GMT
ALSO (I'm on a full on St George rant now...) I don't doubt it's got problems, from what I've read (will decide for myself on Saturday) But I'm also getting a bit sick of 'Critic Twitter' falling over themselves to be the most 'edgy' and only down with 'boundary pushing' theatre. Which usually only involves an obscure Fringe theatre and a short run that most of us won't get to see. I've seen it both with St George and Heisenberg this week, both worthy of critique and certainly not perfect plays. But I'm sick of the one-upmanship (PERSONship before they call me out on that) to be the most 'Intelligent' by which mainly a lot of writers mean 'trying to prove I'm more clever than you if you like this play'
It's entirely possible to 'like' a play and reasonably discuss it's flaws but also acknoledge it's valid said play and said production isn't the end of civilization as we know it, or a marker that every audience member who comes away thinking 'well that was ok I enjoyed that' is somehow 'stupid'
This is a slightly off topic rant but this play has already brought some of that into focus...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:22:16 GMT
God
Another new play in the Olivier
Gets a slating
It’s not good
After swathes of unsold tickets
For Common and Salome Now this
It’s a shame the shows are all Travelex ones
As if the theatre don’t give a sh*t
About the quality of them anymore
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 12, 2017 10:33:55 GMT
It's a clever idea, but clever ideas do not good 2.45hr plays make. Apart from the initial dragon slaying scene the direction is turgid and painfully literal. Without Hef and Bleach's camp off it would be a real slog.
The NT do need to do something about the queue situation. It wasn't just the late start, it was the unprofessional manner it was handled. You'd think at some point they'd stop acting so unprepared every single press night.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:38:41 GMT
It's a clever idea, but clever ideas do not good 2.45hr plays make. Apart from the initial dragon slaying scene the direction is turgid and painfully literal. Without Hef and Bleach's camp off it would be a real slog. The NT do need to do something about the queue situation. It wasn't just the late start, it was the unprofessional manner it was handled. You'd think at some point they'd stop acting so unprepared every single press night. The venue is becoming so scummy So many awful shows Horrible cheap atmosphere I really may withdraw my support
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Post by Jan on Oct 12, 2017 11:22:59 GMT
God Another new play in the Olivier Gets a slating It’s not good After swathes of unsold tickets For Common and Salome Now this It’s a shame the shows are all Travelex ones As if the theatre don’t give a sh*t About the quality of them anymore To me it looks like they Travelex shows they think will be unpopular to boost attendance a bit. I think it is probably counterproductive as casual or fist time theatregoers lured in by low prices may end up never going again.
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Post by dani on Oct 12, 2017 13:40:08 GMT
Turns out I'm not done! Shenton has also produced one of the most lazy reviews I've seen in a long time. That wouldn't wash with any of the editors I work with and hell I wouldn't let it was on my own blog. And this is a man who gets paid (probably too much) to review. My goat is well and truly got this morning. Also I was on the fence about George, but I'm bloody determined to like it now just to spite Shenton. And the toliets. "Rory Mullarkey offers an appropriately larky stage version of the legend". I see what he did there! Shame there wasn't any "mull"ing involved in Shenton's critique.
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Post by foxa on Oct 12, 2017 13:51:37 GMT
I agree, a lazy review. I would put the play between 2 and 3 stars, so it's not that I thought his rating was way off - it was, as dani says, 'the mulling.' To have a go at Julian Bleach (who IMO gave one of the best performances) of over-acting the Dragon. Really? How small and naturalistic did he want the Dragon performance to be?
I think the National is going through a funny patch at the moment, but I do have a fondness for it. I love the big public spaces (there's a good poster exhibition on in one of them at the moment) and though there are lots of flops there are some winners too....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 14:50:40 GMT
Turns out I'm not done! Shenton has also produced one of the most lazy reviews I've seen in a long time. That wouldn't wash with any of the editors I work with and hell I wouldn't let it was on my own blog. And this is a man who gets paid (probably too much) to review. My goat is well and truly got this morning. Also I was on the fence about George, but I'm bloody determined to like it now just to spite Shenton. And the toliets. "Rory Mullarkey offers an appropriately larky stage version of the legend". I see what he did there! Shame there wasn't any "mull"ing involved in Shenton's critique. You can see why he made such a fuss about his his +1 for press nights a while ago, when he has such deep thoughts to bounce off his lucky guest...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 14:50:42 GMT
I guess if birds are the living descendants of dinosaurs, and our idea of a dinosaur isn't that far off from our idea of a dragon, then you could do a lot worse than hang out with some angry chickens for a day or two.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 14:51:37 GMT
How small and naturalistic did he want the Dragon performance to be? More to the point, how do you study the natural movement of a mythical creature (that is stoned most of the time, anyway, if Puff is to be believed). I'm Welsh, the place is lousy with Dragons. Can confirm they're all stoned in the mountains talking about how blue the sky is. It's the only way we get anything done around here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 14:53:16 GMT
I guess if birds are the living descendants of dinosaurs, and our idea of a dinosaur isn't that far off from our idea of a dragon, then you could do a lot worse than hang out with some angry chickens for a day or two. I mean just in general to be honest, you could do worse than a day with some angry chickens. Sure beats some colleagues I've had.
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