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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:04:15 GMT
And if it is true the theatre owners are LOSERS. Why put in ANOTHER musical adaptation of a film no one saw and no one remembers fondly? Strictly Come Dancing took it's title from Strictly Ballroom. So I think there will be an audience for this. Support new writing mrslovettsmeatpie and be thankful, if the rumour's true, that the theatre owners aren't bringing in a cheap and tacky tour! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:06:23 GMT
Do you not think it's healthier for the West End to have new writing coming into the West End? It saddens me Daniel that you are happy for a production that ran 20 or so years to return to London. Just because a show has film origins it doesn't mean to say it's destined for failure. If Strictly Ballroom does come into London then I think it will do well considering Strictly Come Dancing took it's title from Baz's film and there is a huge appetite for Ballroom and also feel good shows in our Brexit/Trump uncertain world. Its not that I'm happy to see an old show come back, its that I'm happy to see a show return which can keep a theatre and actors working rather than have several shows fail consecutively at the same venue, therefore causing disruption to the work of actors, backstage and front of house staff. Not just Blood Brothers then, but maybe the best way to go forward for the time being would be a revival or bringing something back until something more guaranteed success can come in. Maybe Strictly Ballroom is that show, I don't know, I've never seen it or the movie. But I'd hate to see yet another movie to musical fail there. Theatre is all about taking risks....always has been, always will. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:09:31 GMT
Its not that I'm happy to see an old show come back, its that I'm happy to see a show return which can keep a theatre and actors working rather than have several shows fail consecutively at the same venue, therefore causing disruption to the work of actors, backstage and front of house staff. Not just Blood Brothers then, but maybe the best way to go forward for the time being would be a revival or bringing something back until something more guaranteed success can come in. Maybe Strictly Ballroom is that show, I don't know, I've never seen it or the movie. But I'd hate to see yet another movie to musical fail there. Theatre is all about taking risks....always has been, always will. Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking risks. But it has to be the right project. And something clearly hasn't worked with these past shows that have been at the Phoenix that is not the fault of the building or Sophie Louise-Dann. Maybe it is the quality of the work going in, I don't know, but since Blood Brothers or one could argue Once, there hasn't been a hit there since, and shows have very disappointing runs there. Using Strictly Ballroom as an example, I'm ready to be proven wrong, but it doesn't jump out at me as a show that could turn that around. It's not like we don't get dance shows like this all the time in London, wasn't there a Last Tango or something there recently? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:47:48 GMT
Theatre is all about taking risks....always has been, always will. Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking risks. But it has to be the right project. And something clearly hasn't worked with these past shows that have been at the Phoenix that is not the fault of the building or Sophie Louise-Dann. Maybe it is the quality of the work going in, I don't know, but since Blood Brothers or one could argue Once, there hasn't been a hit there since, and shows have very disappointing runs there. Using Strictly Ballroom as an example, I'm ready to be proven wrong, but it doesn't jump out at me as a show that could turn that around. It's not like we don't get dance shows like this all the time in London, wasn't there a Last Tango or something there recently? The Piccadilly had a run of flops back in the late 80s...sometimes things go that way, that's theatre and no one has a crystal ball that can predict success or failure. Back in 1985 Cameron took a huge risk with a show that most people thought was the wrong project and 32 years later... Sometimes great shows succeed, sometimes they bomb and sometimes poor shows find their audience or not. if a show doesn't "jump out on you" it might jump out on someone else and if you haven't seen it it's ignorant to make assumptions about it's selling powers. Going by titles alone, I wouldn't have bet that DEH, Comet or CFA would be hot tickets on Broadway but they are. Strictly Ballroom is a book musical comedy with dance, not a Vincent and Flavia dance show. |
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Post by daniel on Jun 1, 2017 16:03:30 GMT
I don't know a great deal about Strictly Ballroom but from what I heard it sold well previously and is a solid show. With the right pricing, casting and marketing I could see it having a healthy run of a year or two. That said, I thought the same for The Girls so who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 16:44:02 GMT
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking risks. But it has to be the right project. And something clearly hasn't worked with these past shows that have been at the Phoenix that is not the fault of the building or Sophie Louise-Dann. Maybe it is the quality of the work going in, I don't know, but since Blood Brothers or one could argue Once, there hasn't been a hit there since, and shows have very disappointing runs there. Using Strictly Ballroom as an example, I'm ready to be proven wrong, but it doesn't jump out at me as a show that could turn that around. It's not like we don't get dance shows like this all the time in London, wasn't there a Last Tango or something there recently? The Piccadilly had a run of flops back in the late 80s...sometimes things go that way, that's theatre and no one has a crystal ball that can predict success or failure. Back in 1985 Cameron took a huge risk with a show that most people thought was the wrong project and 32 years later... Sometimes great shows succeed, sometimes they bomb and sometimes poor shows find their audience or not. if a show doesn't "jump out on you" it might jump out on someone else and if you haven't seen it it's ignorant to make assumptions about it's selling powers. Going by titles alone, I wouldn't have bet that DEH, Comet or CFA would be hot tickets on Broadway but they are. Strictly Ballroom is a book musical comedy with dance, not a Vincent and Flavia dance show. I don't think it's ignorant to make assumptions about its selling powers, how do get producers on board unless they are going to make assumptions?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 16:48:57 GMT
And if it is true the theatre owners are LOSERS. Why put in ANOTHER musical adaptation of a film no one saw and no one remembers fondly? Strictly Come Dancing took it's title from Strictly Ballroom. So I think there will be an audience for this. Support new writing mrslovettsmeatpie and be thankful, if the rumour's true, that the theatre owners aren't bringing in a cheap and tacky tour! But I think joe bloggs on the the street is going to have no idea what film Strictly took its name from! Strictly has transcended the film. I'm just bored sh*tless, Sistermaryann, of lazy film to musical adaptations especially after seeing the wonderfully original Caroline or Change last night |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 17:39:48 GMT
I don't think Once could be deemed a flop! I think they mean Guys and Dolls No I was making the point that not all the recent musicals in the Phoenix have been total flops. |
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Post by Seriously on Jun 1, 2017 17:57:11 GMT
Blood Brothers wont go back in there. Bill K lost the London rites soon after it closed. He only has the touring rites now.
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Post by Jon on Jun 1, 2017 18:12:54 GMT
Theatre is all about taking risks....always has been, always will. Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking risks. But it has to be the right project. And something clearly hasn't worked with these past shows that have been at the Phoenix that is not the fault of the building or Sophie Louise-Dann. Maybe it is the quality of the work going in, I don't know, but since Blood Brothers or one could argue Once, there hasn't been a hit there since, and shows have very disappointing runs there. Using Strictly Ballroom as an example, I'm ready to be proven wrong, but it doesn't jump out at me as a show that could turn that around. It's not like we don't get dance shows like this all the time in London, wasn't there a Last Tango or something there recently? You can't expect every new show to become an instant classic or long runner. Once did two years, that is still a good run and not a failure just because it's didn't run 10-20 years. While a closing is never good, it means another show can come in and hopefully do better. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 1, 2017 20:37:29 GMT
Are "rites" similar to "Rights"?? Blood Brothers wont go back in there. Bill K lost the London rites soon after it closed. He only has the touring rites now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 22:02:50 GMT
Are "rites" similar to "Rights"?? Blood Brothers wont go back in there. Bill K lost the London rites soon after it closed. He only has the touring rites now. I suppose they're a bit more ceremonial. |
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Post by Seriously on Jun 1, 2017 22:53:30 GMT
It's a scally thing.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 2, 2017 6:29:32 GMT
Bad spelling is bad spelling. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 2, 2017 8:18:52 GMT
Blood Brothers would work really well at the Chocolate Factory and would no doubt be a sure fire hit for them.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 2, 2017 13:06:38 GMT
If I may add my two-penneth worth. I saw Strictly Ballroom at the West Yorkshire Playhouse over Christmas. At that stage in its development, I wouldn't rate it any higher than ok, but what do I know. As I was leaving, I was eavesdropping on the ladies directly in front of me, a daughter and her elderly mother. The mother thought it was the best thing she had ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 17:41:36 GMT
The show booked into the Phoenix has already been on.. Was a Baz Luhrman film... Is it limited or open ended? Thanks for announcing, really hope the Tina musical is true! Do you know how long until Tina opens? Should be really interesting and hey...maybe this is the show Alexandra Burke is in!  |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 2, 2017 21:55:30 GMT
Open run.. Tina is either opening in December or Feb/March.. they are just working out dates The show booked into the Phoenix has already been on.. Was a Baz Luhrman film... Is it limited or open ended? Thanks for announcing, really hope the Tina musical is true! Do you know how long until Tina opens? Should be really interesting and hey...maybe this is the show Alexandra Burke is in! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 22:04:35 GMT
I'd be genuinely surprised if they drafted Alexandra Burke in to play Tina herself, especially if it is a bio-musical like Beautiful. Both her and Tina have very distinctive voices, which are polar opposites in terms of recognisability and tone. The Bodyguard wasn't much of a stretch for her, as luckily she wasn't playing Whitney, but rather Rachel Marron.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 22:13:44 GMT
Open run.. Tina is either opening in December or Feb/March.. they are just working out dates Is it limited or open ended? Thanks for announcing, really hope the Tina musical is true! Do you know how long until Tina opens? Should be really interesting and hey...maybe this is the show Alexandra Burke is in! Not sure how well SB will do. Tina should be great! Thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 3:07:38 GMT
Open run.. Tina is either opening in December or Feb/March.. they are just working out dates Not sure how well SB will do. Tina should be great! Thanks Think SB will do very well. It was such a popular film back in the day and those fans of a certain age have disposable incomes, also it gets a free ad every Saturday come September. Tina will also do very well. |
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Post by stevej678 on Jun 3, 2017 6:00:54 GMT
Think SB will do very well. It was such a popular film back in the day and those fans of a certain age have disposable incomes. I expect Strictly Ballroom to do well but saying that it will be a success on the basis that fans of a certain age have disposable incomes is a ridiculous generalisation to make, whichever age bracket is being referred to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 6:34:14 GMT
That logic could be applied to Calendar Girls and look how that turned out, more so in fact. That also had a very famous and popular pop star as its composer.
Ive always thought Strictly Ballroom being more niche to be honest, especially compared to something like Calendar Girls
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 6:48:00 GMT
That logic could be applied to Calendar Girls and look how that turned out, more so in fact. That also had a very famous and popular pop star as its composer.
Ive always thought Strictly Ballroom being more niche to be honest, especially compared to something like Calendar Girls I kinda agree. Especially on doing my reseach on it (I had literally never heard of the film, which, if that is an indication for ayounger generation, may already be an issue), the film was a huge hit in Australia when released, but do people really remember the film that much? I wasn't around when it came out, so am genuinely curious. Because, as said previously, its main way of succeeding would be to open around the same time Strictly begins and promote the hell out of the show alongside it! |
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Post by ptwest on Jun 3, 2017 8:14:12 GMT
Really enjoyed Strictly Ballroom at the WYP - it needs a bit of work, particularly making the ending more of a big moment, but it's certainly worthy of the transfer. Whether or not it will sell is anyone's guess but at least it's something new (ish) for London.
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