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Post by hal9000 on May 26, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2017/huge-drop-asian-theatre-audiences-extremely-worrying/An excerpt: Unfortunately this is somewhat similar to my neck of the world. I am from a mixed race family and was taken to local arts events from a young age. Apart from noticing that 30-50% of the audiences wore glasses, I would be the only person of a certain pigmentation. Now living a huge city now the proportion of POC is larger, but not by much. I would put it, visually, at about 5%.
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Post by 49thand8th on May 26, 2017 18:04:12 GMT
Same here. I play "spot the Asian!" when I'm at a show. It's much easier to do this when I'm home at a show in the San Francisco area than in NYC, London, Chicago, Melbourne, or almost anywhere else I've seen a show.
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Post by Jan on May 26, 2017 19:38:32 GMT
" ... a disparaging perception of Asians generally in the 'age of terror'"
Doesn't help his case with statements like that, "Asians" is way too broad a category for that to be true and it ignores the uncomfortable fact that some groups of Asians also have a "disparaging perception" of other groups of Asians, lumping all Asians together in that way actually runs counter to diversity.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:18:06 GMT
Well
They can piss off
They were given a chance
And chose to ignore Bend It Like Beckham
They aren't interested in the medium of theatre
They just aren't
You can't force people to do things they don't want to
There is also the angle that they are quite capable
Of seeing any show
That is
We don't have to stage shows about their own community in order to attract them
Still they aren't interested
Inflation is at an all time high
Pay is sh*t
Property is stagnating
Jobs are hard to come by
Salaries have fallen in real terms
Ticket prices are as much as a holiday for a family
Perhaps they have better priorities to spend time and money on
Rather than throw money away on frippery
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:19:36 GMT
And if they see pathetic things like
Monsoon Wedding
Musical
No wonder they dont want to go
Seeing pantomime representations
In 2D
Is it any f***ing wonder
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Post by Jan on May 26, 2017 20:27:46 GMT
How old are you Parsley old son ? Inflation is near an all-time LOW. Some of us remember when it was 24% in the 1970s.
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Post by hal9000 on May 26, 2017 20:34:57 GMT
" ... a disparaging perception of Asians generally in the 'age of terror'" ... it ignores the uncomfortable fact that some groups of Asians also have a "disparaging perception" of other groups of Asians ... That "uncomfortable fact", as you put it, is general and does not change his point regarding Asian representation in the arts or in audiences. Countries and ethnic groups all over the world despise their geographically closest neighbours. Xenophobia is alive and well, and Asian populations whether they originate in Indonesia or Iraq or Palestine or Afghanistan or Malaysia or India simply are perceived a different sort of suspicion in the post-9/11 world, be it politically, in popular culture or by the good folk at Homeland Security.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 21:00:00 GMT
Perhaps if there wasn't so much sh*t theatre
On
They might attend more often
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 21:08:22 GMT
How old are you Parsley old son ? Inflation is near an all-time LOW. Some of us remember when it was 24% in the 1970s. What I meant was In comparison to interest rates And in comparison to property prices And in comparison to public sector pay rises The rate of inflation is high Cost of living increasing And pay falling again and again
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 21:09:38 GMT
Perhaps I should write a play then
In theory
The theatres should be fighting over it
Even if it's sh*t
They will stage it
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Post by duncan on May 26, 2017 22:46:51 GMT
Cant help but think more people would have seen Bend it Like Beckham, of all creeds and colours, if it hadn't been irredeemably sh*t.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 27, 2017 6:19:48 GMT
I saw Fences with Lenny Henry. It felt like there was lots of black first time theatre goers. Not sure the point I am making, perhaps it is 'lack of representation'.
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Post by Jan on May 27, 2017 6:29:31 GMT
" ... a disparaging perception of Asians generally in the 'age of terror'" ... it ignores the uncomfortable fact that some groups of Asians also have a "disparaging perception" of other groups of Asians ... That "uncomfortable fact", as you put it, is general and does not change his point regarding Asian representation in the arts or in audiences. Countries and ethnic groups all over the world despise their geographically closest neighbours. Xenophobia is alive and well, and Asian populations whether they originate in Indonesia or Iraq or Palestine or Afghanistan or Malaysia or India simply are perceived a different sort of suspicion in the post-9/11 world, be it politically, in popular culture or by the good folk at Homeland Security. You may view people from China and Japan (say) with suspicion but I don't. It remains absurd to group so many different nations under the single composite grouping "Asian"
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Post by hal9000 on May 27, 2017 8:43:13 GMT
You may view people from China and Japan (say) with suspicion but I don't. [ Nice attempt at trolling me there but none of what you have written has anything to do with representation.
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Post by loureviews on May 27, 2017 8:53:10 GMT
I don't get this. Do Asian audiences only go to things that represent them?
And I did notice some years ago when I went to the all black cast Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (superb btw) that probably 80% of the audience were black. They just don't go to shows with white actors?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 27, 2017 9:53:37 GMT
I didn't notice any change to the usual audience mix at Dreamgirls, from what I remember it was predominantly white. I could be mistaken as I don't generally go to thestres and spend time assessing the colour of people's faces but if I'm not then it's not necessarily about the actors on stage either?
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 27, 2017 10:13:51 GMT
Isn't there an underlying assumption that everyone should be subscribing to a certain list of approved art forms that it is deemed necessary for them to attend?
Different cultures have different traditions when it comes to their forms of entertainment/storytelling. Why should everyone be expected to find Western theatre to be appropriate for them?
The point of a diverse society is that people have access to entertainment/art that they enjoy - not what others think they ought to attend.
If audiences from certain backgrounds don't find theatre interesting, that is absolutely fine - no-one should be forced to conform just because others deem it otherwise.
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Post by charmedjean on May 27, 2017 10:21:09 GMT
I'm Asian (Oriental...) and I personally don't go to the theatre just because there is an Asian performer in the show - although, I must admit that it does feel 'nice' if there is an Asian performer in the show.
In my experience, there always tend to be other Oriental people in the audience in London, but when I went to places like Edinburgh and other regional theatres - I did sometimes stick out like a sore thumb - however, that didn't really bother me - I felt special (I also play "spot the Asian" at regional theatres... oops)
Musical theatre is really big in South Korea - I've seen a few shows there myself (even though I don't really understand the language) I know that a lot of Koreans who visit London will often book tickets to the big shows e.g. Wicked, Kinky Boots and Les Mis.
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Post by theatre-turtle on May 27, 2017 10:31:16 GMT
I don't think Oriental Asians (I am one myself) are underrepresented in theatre audiences on the West End. I was surprised even to see several (other than myself) at the Russian production of Three Sisters a couple of weeks ago, and there were several at Tick Tick Boom and the Colour Purple (I was sat next to one by chance at the latter).
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Post by hal9000 on May 27, 2017 20:10:21 GMT
A decade ago in Berlin I had a few hours to kill and because it was raining extremely heavily went to see a movie (SEX AND THE CITY!). Queuing up at the box office in front of me were an African American couple in their 50s. They decided to see HANCOCK. The wife reminded her husband that they had already seen it, but they ended up going for a second serving of Big Willy.
I think familiarity is pretty important for casual event attendees, or at least may be a deciding factor. The FAST AND THE FURIOUS movies are a massive worldwide hit and features a genuinely multicultural cast which are not at all token; the first film was lauded for being a portrait of contemporary working class LA.
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Post by 49thand8th on May 28, 2017 16:00:00 GMT
I don't get this. Do Asian audiences only go to things that represent them? No, but we like it when it happens.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 17:52:32 GMT
If you are part of a dominant culture there isn't really any thought as to if what you are seeing is somehow a reflection of it, yet the audience is indeed a reflection. It is unsurprising therefore that a minority culture when reflected draws a large audience from that culture.
If I am abroad, even in English speaking countries, then i find that I am supportive of British originating arts in a way that I wouldn't be at 'home'.
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