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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 9:37:53 GMT
I tried so hard not to read far enough back to have to comment...but no.
Artistic criticism is fine. Of course the production may be terrible, the acting terrible the production terrible (I don't know, and I'm probably not going to see it so can't pass comment). You can even think nudity is 'unnecessary' to the production/story- that again is a valid comment on an artistic choice.
What isn't valid is making nasty comments about the bodies of the actors involved. Particularly on a whether a woman's body should or shouldn't be 'seen' on stage in that manner. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 10:49:51 GMT
I tried so hard not to read far enough back to have to comment...but no. Artistic criticism is fine. Of course the production may be terrible, the acting terrible the production terrible (I don't know, and I'm probably not going to see it so can't pass comment). You can even think nudity is 'unnecessary' to the production/story- that again is a valid comment on an artistic choice. What isn't valid is making nasty comments about the bodies of the actors involved. Particularly on a whether a woman's body should or shouldn't be 'seen' on stage in that manner. Disgusting. Criticism was on Male and female nudity in this staging Don't try and play the feminist card What is disgusting is the BBC paying women half the amount to do the same job as male counterparts I bet you didn't label that as disgusting The play is presented a "steamy scorching oppressive play with sexual tension" according to the young vic website The nudity was supposed to be purely there in a sexual context And is subject to analysis if it incongruous to the intention Ironically The comments in the play made by the playwright himself via Big Papa about Big Mama and her size and appearance Raised plenty of laughs from the audience How disgusting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 10:57:45 GMT
I tried so hard not to read far enough back to have to comment...but no. Artistic criticism is fine. Of course the production may be terrible, the acting terrible the production terrible (I don't know, and I'm probably not going to see it so can't pass comment). You can even think nudity is 'unnecessary' to the production/story- that again is a valid comment on an artistic choice. What isn't valid is making nasty comments about the bodies of the actors involved. Particularly on a whether a woman's body should or shouldn't be 'seen' on stage in that manner. Disgusting. Criticism was on Male and female nudity in this staging Don't try and play the feminist card What is disgusting is the BBC paying women half the amount to do the same job as male counterparts I bet you didn't label that as disgusting I'm not playing any 'card' I'm calling out your disgusting behaviour. But I will play a feminist card if you like- it IS a feminist issue. Now to be fair in this instance you were equally disgusting about the male actor, but saying that a woman's breasts were too old to be seen is very much a feminist issue.
And I think if you look above male posters have also done so.
And I did and have labelled the BBC gender pay gap as disgusting. But that's not the discussion here (I think you'll find that thread in General Discussion, dear)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:08:06 GMT
Criticism was on Male and female nudity in this staging Don't try and play the feminist card What is disgusting is the BBC paying women half the amount to do the same job as male counterparts I bet you didn't label that as disgusting I'm not playing any 'card' I'm calling out your disgusting behaviour. But I will play a feminist card if you like- it IS a feminist issue. Now to be fair in this instance you were equally disgusting about the male actor, but saying that a woman's breasts were too old to be seen is very much a feminist issue.
And I think if you look above male posters have also done so.
And I did and have labelled the BBC gender pay gap as disgusting. But that's not the discussion here (I think you'll find that thread in General Discussion, dear)
The nudity was presented in a sexualised context and was protracted and unnecessary In this respect perhaps the audience are also supposed to feel seduced by the male and femal nudity onstage to heighten the tension Given the context It failed And I was left to comment on what I saw It if had been done properly and worked in context Perhaps I would not have been distracted by the actual assets I am not blind so I can say what I see Which is subjective
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 20, 2017 11:14:13 GMT
Parsley raises a fair and valid point that you shouldn't go to see a show to be titulated, to make up for poor directing choices. I have seen a lot of nudity on stage over the years and I am not prudish, but expect when the director opts to use this, it's necessary and relevant to the show, not just the production, a good example of this was Sarah Kane's Cleansed, at the National - which had a lot of full frontal nudity, but it was in context with the piece.
Nothing worse will lie with the critics and seasoned theatr goers - if a faded Hollywood Star gets her kit off, this will come across as desperate and one last throw of the dice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:20:12 GMT
Parsley raises a fair and valid point that you shouldn't go to see a show to be titulated, to make up for poor directing options. I have seen a lot of nudity on stage over the years and I am not prudish, but expect when the director opts to use this, it's necessary and relevant to the show, not the production, a good example of this was Sar ah Kane's Cleansed, at the National - which had a lot of full frontal nudity, but it was in context with the piece. Nothing worse will lie with the critics if a faded Hollywood Star gets her kit off, will come across as desperate and one last throw of the dice. Thanks for your eloquent post My initial post really was not offensive And many people like taking offence at some of what I post regardless God knows how they manage with actual world tragedies and injustices I too saw Cleansed and it's a good example of where the nudity was secondary In that play the text does demand some nudity in the first place Another example that comes to mind Was the Judas Kiss where there was plenty of protracted nudity Again it's in the text and therefore you can see a context In cat on a hot tin roof There is no nudity instructed in the text And adding it Where the staging lacks purpose And there is a paucity of acting It leads to the wrong focus and of course will be subject to analysis Trust me the attention is going to be on the nudity It's so wrong and sad for them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:21:01 GMT
As ever it's the old 'it's not what you say it's the way you say it' Phantom you raise a perfectly valid point. And in my original comment, if Parsley could be bothered to read it, I said comments on nudity as an artistic choice were perfectly valid. We've all sat through uncomfortable and unnecessary nude scenes, and as women often ones that are often incredibly uncomfortable (men too, but I'd wager in a poll women on here would have been made more uncomfortable more often)
Nobody is arguing that it might be a terrible artistic choice and/or not warranted. BUT it's the manner of 'judgement' in the comments about actor's bodies that are the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:22:09 GMT
Perhaps the shower is really cold
Certainly
It gives a different spin and hypothesis on why Brick can't have a child with Maggie
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 20, 2017 20:05:49 GMT
How big is your cock @parsley? I'm just wondering what you classify as 'small'. It's all relative after all.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 20, 2017 20:54:03 GMT
Parsley raises a fair and valid point that you shouldn't go to see a show to be titulated, to make up for poor directing options. I have seen a lot of nudity on stage over the years and I am not prudish, but expect when the director opts to use this, it's necessary and relevant to the show, not the production, a good example of this was Sar ah Kane's Cleansed, at the National - which had a lot of full frontal nudity, but it was in context with the piece. Nothing worse will lie with the critics if a faded Hollywood Star gets her kit off, will come across as desperate and one last throw of the dice. Thanks for your eloquent post My initial post really was not offensive And many people like taking offence at some of what I post regardless God knows how they manage with actual world tragedies and injustices @parsley you have edited several of your posts in this thread the last 24 hours. Either have the courage of your convictions and take the flak from your fellow members, or think twice about what you're saying in the first place. Editing after the flak starts is cowardly and small.
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Post by alicechallice on Jul 20, 2017 21:33:38 GMT
How big is your cock @parsley? This isn't going to be the new "what do you do for a living" thread is it? I don't think it will be as uniformly well-received.
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Post by Marwood on Jul 20, 2017 23:22:17 GMT
Maybe something like 'how big is your cock/how big a cock are you?'?
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Post by Honoured Guest on Jul 20, 2017 23:25:21 GMT
At least Brick managed to provide himself with a shower without the need to call out the police.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 21, 2017 0:50:41 GMT
Come on guys play decent, I know we are frustrated as it is half way through the football close season and there is a lot of endolphins about!!! Also no announcement on a big show opening or closing, which I imagine adds to the frustration, brexit dying a death - when I posted my post earlier I didn't realise we are in a middle of a civil war, this Hot Tin Roof is getting as Hot as Hell.
Why we at it, I had a peruse through theatreboard terms and conditions several times and I couldn't ascertain whether this very board uses metric or imperial?
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Post by boybooshka on Jul 21, 2017 6:06:35 GMT
The smut! If this continues I'm going to have to start using an incognito tab to look at Theatreboard. 😜
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 8:18:54 GMT
This thread is why I love this forum. This probably says a lot about me but I don't care. That I'm writing this with a large courgette on my desk left there by my boss is also amusing me. #notaeuphamism
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Post by boybooshka on Jul 21, 2017 8:27:45 GMT
This thread is why I love this forum. This probably says a lot about me but I don't care. That I'm writing this with a large courgette on my desk left there by my boss is also amusing me. #notaeuphamism I agree. Funnily enough yesterday my boss gave me a bag of small yellow courgettes to celebrate my first week of renewed vegatarianism . #mostcertainlynotaeuphanismhowverydareyou!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 8:33:47 GMT
This thread is why I love this forum. This probably says a lot about me but I don't care. That I'm writing this with a large courgette on my desk left there by my boss is also amusing me. #notaeuphamism I agree. Funnily enough yesterday my boss gave me a bag of small yellow courgettes to celebrate my first week of renewed vegatarianism . #mostcertainlynotaeuphanismhowverydareyou! Mine also gave me a large cucumber! #notaeuphamism #orisit?
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Post by stefy69 on Jul 21, 2017 8:40:25 GMT
This thread is why I love this forum. This probably says a lot about me but I don't care. That I'm writing this with a large courgette on my desk left there by my boss is also amusing me. #notaeuphamism Can I ask why he/she did that ?
Not that I'm jealous or anything.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 8:42:44 GMT
haha "she" and she currently has a bumper crop of courgettes and cucumbers in her garden so we're all being offered large green veg on a daily basis! or just left them whether we like it or not.
I had it given to me yesterday, left it on my desk because I decided that as I was going to the cinema for Angels in America straight from work I didn't want a vegetable in my bag...imagine explaining that in a bag search!! (and given the shape and the show...well!!)
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Post by vdcni on Jul 21, 2017 8:43:10 GMT
Oddly enough my colleague also gave me a large cucumber this week - it must be a trend!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 8:53:17 GMT
Something in the air...
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Post by Honoured Guest on Jul 21, 2017 8:54:12 GMT
Oddly enough my colleague also gave me a large cucumber this week - it must be a trend! It isn't odd at all. Fruits and vegetables grow seasonally and weather conditions affect the timimg, abundance and quality of each harvest. So every grower is presented with a bumper crop at this same time, unless they did something drastically wrong or grow in a rare micro-climate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 8:57:24 GMT
It isn't odd at all. Fruits and vegetables grow seasonally and weather conditions affect the timimg, abundance and quality of each harvest. So every grower is presented with a bumper crop at this same time, unless they did something drastically wrong or grow in a rare micro-climate. Oh wow. I never understood how farming works before. Or that vegetables grow...like in the ground? I feel so enlightened.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Jul 21, 2017 9:04:45 GMT
A cucumber is a fruit which grows...like above the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 9:09:35 GMT
A cucumber is a fruit which grows...like above the ground. Oh wow, that's so fascinating. I never realised that fruits and vegetables are two different things. I'm so glad there's someone so wise like you to enlighten us poor dim souls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:10:07 GMT
Monkey I REALLY wondered where that story was heading...or where the cucumber was heading.
There's a cactus at Dyffryn Gardens a National Trust property near here which is a very unfortunate (or fortunate) shape. And the gardeners know it- it's quite prominently placed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:22:03 GMT
Monkey I REALLY wondered where that story was heading...or where the cucumber was heading. Thinking about it, given that we all received a free cucumber (the curved ones that they couldn't sell) the coach home was pretty dangerous. it's quite prominently placed. Not going to ask how you verified that fact. Some things are best left to the imagination. Or not.
ANYWAY so hows about that Jack O'Connell's cucumber? (trying to drag this back on track, probably failing)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:24:38 GMT
A cornichon according to Parsley, though you can make up your own mind as to how reliable a source Parsley is on, well, anything.
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Post by PalelyLaura on Jul 21, 2017 13:54:09 GMT
Sorry to spoil the cucumber-related fun guys, but I'm here to post my thoughts on the play ;-)
Saw this last night and was very impressed. Didn't know anything about the play and have never seen any of the actors before except for Sienna Miller. Very strong performances and the running time flew by. I personally didn't feel the nudity was inappropriate in the context of the play.
The only things I wasn't sure about were the shower (all that water, wasted) and the set as a whole, which would have suited the Young Vic itself but looked a bit odd stuck into the Apollo.
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