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Post by michalnowicki on Jul 21, 2017 12:00:01 GMT
As we were leaving the theatre, an audience member asked the member of theatre staff, if they are changing cast, because Deena said "This is the last time we will ever sing together"... bless her... hahaha! aw. She's so special that one. Well done to the theatre staff for calmly explaining that "it's just written this way" without laughing right in her face. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 21, 2017 16:33:05 GMT
I saw Dreamgirls on Saturday for the first time and I was extremely wowed by the production. I secretly hoped to see Amber, but after reading some positive comments about Marisha, I decided not to care which cast members I see. Living in Edinburgh, you mostly get to see productions on tour, with limited, cut-down set. I was awestruck to see the costumes, the automation, the fluidity of it all. Breathtaking. The entire cast delivered perfectly. As we were leaving the theatre, an audience member asked the member of theatre staff, if they are changing cast, because Deena said "This is the last time we will ever sing together"... bless her... Did you like the crystal curtain? The sparkliest thing in London! Agree about the set, simple but brilliant. Loved the lighting too, and how they integrated it into the set. I dont know if this will tour but but I hope it does, and I really hope they don't cut it back too much. |
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Post by theatre on Jul 21, 2017 22:37:43 GMT
Marisha has, by my calculations, done every show for the past week now - looks like Amber is once again more than just a little ill 😬
I don't know much about her training but asking a non-seasoned MT actress to do 7 shows of Effie a week was always too much, especially since Amber herself admitted, on a Glee interview I believe, that she was never a 'belter'. Pop and MT vocal technique is of course very different (we only need to look at the countless pop castings to see this) and the way in which to look after your voice for 8 show weeks plus rehearsals and publicity performances is simply not covered outside of MT vocal training to the same extent. Marisha with all her MT training managed two near month-long runs as Effie when Amber was out over January and Feb/March with no days off, something that Amber and in fact Karen, also a pop singer, could not manage. I think it's important to recognise though that this is no fault of their own- it's all down to their backgrounds.
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Post by welsh_tenor on Jul 21, 2017 23:09:44 GMT
theatre it seems Marisha agrees with you!
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 22, 2017 6:14:27 GMT
To be fair judging from the performances I've seen from her live and on video she needs to work on her own technique a bit as well.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 22, 2017 6:55:25 GMT
Which slender chanteuse is rumoured to be enjoying a diet of burgers, shakes and fries as she bulks up to take Effie White into 2018?
Ssshhhhhhh! You read it here first.
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Post by ali973 on Jul 22, 2017 9:16:00 GMT
To be fair judging from the performances I've seen from her live and on video she needs to work on her own technique a bit as well. I agree. Yes, Marisha might not have missed, but Amber IMO gave a flawless vocal performance, whereas Marisha's was mostly good at times, but she struggled at points and screams in rage when her voice gives up. It might have worked for some people during And I'm Telling You, but you're not fooling me, sister. |
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Post by LaLuPone on Jul 22, 2017 9:51:18 GMT
To be fair judging from the performances I've seen from her live and on video she needs to work on her own technique a bit as well. I agree. Yes, Marisha might not have missed, but Amber IMO gave a flawless vocal performance, whereas Marisha's was mostly good at times, but she struggled at points and screams in rage when her voice gives up. It might have worked for some people during And I'm Telling You, but you're not fooling me, sister. Agree about Amber. Her attendance isn't great but when she is on stage you can tell she doesn't hold back a single bit and puts absolutely everything into singing the sh*t out of that score. I haven't actually heard a bad comment about her singing wise, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places? |
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Post by daniel on Jul 22, 2017 11:06:52 GMT
Vocally-speaking you're all spot on. There hasn't been a single negative comment about Amber's voice, she is just flawless. Whereas Marisha's is a little more "rough and ready"
For me it's the acting where the real difference is. Watching Amber, it may as well have been a concert, I didn't really feel much acting at all, whereas with Marisha I felt like she actually was Effie. For me, her acting was so much better than Amber that it made up for her vocals being not quite as perfect, but I appreciate for others it's all about the vocals!
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Post by LaLuPone on Jul 22, 2017 11:31:31 GMT
Vocally-speaking you're all spot on. There hasn't been a single negative comment about Amber's voice, she is just flawless. Whereas Marisha's is a little more "rough and ready" For me it's the acting where the real difference is. Watching Amber, it may as well have been a concert, I didn't really feel much acting at all, whereas with Marisha I felt like she actually was Effie. For me, her acting was so much better than Amber that it made up for her vocals being not quite as perfect, but I appreciate for others it's all about the vocals! Yeah that's what I've heard generally. I didn't mind at all though beacuse obviously her voice and it sounds stupid but I loved seeing Mercedes all grown up. I think Amber had the diva attitude down, especially with holding out the notes like "let 'em all hear, LET 'EM ALL HE-AAAR" but that was probably partly because she knew she could easily slay the notes. But otherwise she wasn't the best actress and I'm looking forward to seeing Marisha's take if she stays on next year. |
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Post by kulen on Jul 22, 2017 12:14:19 GMT
why does it always seem that Karen never gets the recognition she deserves! She for me is the best alternate personally. I saw her now twice. The first time was in january and i must admit it wasn't good and I have now seen her recently. boy has she improved! Marisha is good but too much for me. Her vocals are not in point sometimes and she isn't consistent in her singing. I feel that karen should take over, what do you guys think?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 22, 2017 12:16:29 GMT
I haven't seen Marisha but I saw Karen last month and she was amazing.
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Post by kulen on Jul 22, 2017 12:18:16 GMT
I haven't seen Marisha but I saw Karen last month and she was amazing. i feel that Karen is being underestimated all of the time! Karen should take over. |
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Post by daniel on Jul 22, 2017 12:34:51 GMT
Marisha on today!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 22, 2017 13:46:15 GMT
I haven't seen Marisha but I saw Karen last month and she was amazing. i feel that Karen is being underestimated all of the time! Karen should take over. I agree! Don't even wait! send Amber home! KAREN! KAREN! KAREN! |
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Post by theatre on Jul 22, 2017 13:53:26 GMT
To be fair judging from the performances I've seen from her live and on video she needs to work on her own technique a bit as well. I agree. Yes, Marisha might not have missed, but Amber IMO gave a flawless vocal performance, whereas Marisha's was mostly good at times, but she struggled at points and screams in rage when her voice gives up. It might have worked for some people during And I'm Telling You, but you're not fooling me, sister. The only number in which Marisha is a little rough and ready vocally is And I Am Telling You and I think that's largely an acting choice. Just look at how she sings I Am Changing - her voice has both the power and the delicacy required and it's by far my favourite version of the song. Don't get me wrong, in AIATY when Marisha goes for the high note on 'I know you can' it can sound like a scream and comes across poorly on recording, but for me it only adds to the performance in the room since the note IS there beneath the gruffness. Amber, whilst vocally is absolutely perfect on the notes she sings, doesn't attempt that note very often at all, not even on all TV performances. Whilst there is some emotion in her voice, there's nothing at all in her performance or face to match in AIATY - the only song in the show for me in which her acting stood out as being flat and I felt like she'd burned out a little. Admittedly this was her last show before she's now been off for over a week so maybe I'll catch her again, but a video I saw of this on YouTube was much the same. Just to clarify however I do love Amber's performance in the show - her 'listen' was phenomenal. I do think though to say Marisha's voice 'gives up' at points is a little harsh! Also, it is most definitely possible to 'scream' and growl as Marisha does with perfect vocal technique and not cause any damage to your voice, so technique is definitely not a problem that she has. If she couldn't reach the note with good technique she wouldn't sing it - as a musical theatre actress in such a competitive world (especially approaching the bigger roles as she is now) her voice is her livelihood so she wouldn't deliberately do something she knew she can't sustain. ( < note the Dreamgirls quote 😂) |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 22, 2017 15:15:34 GMT
I can only comment on Amber in the show. And i only saw her once. I would say her vocals were amazing and flawless and blew everyone away, certainly in the interval that's all anyone was talking about, however i do agree with the comments she could do with putting more emotion into the acting side of the performance, that was something a little bit missing for me. I saw Marisha in The Color Purple concert and emotion wasn't something anyone had to worry about with her, she put every ounce of herself and her effort into the role, so as a performance overall, great, but honestly vocally not for me at all. I would say if you mixed Marisha and Amber together you'd probably have a perfect performer/Effie.
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Post by theatre on Jul 22, 2017 15:17:27 GMT
I can only comment on Amber in the show. And i only saw her once. I would say her vocals were amazing and flawless and blew everyone away, certainly in the interval that's all anyway was talking about, however i do agree with the comments she could so with putting more emotion into the acting side of the performance, that was something a little bit missing for me. I saw Marisha in The Color Purple concert and emotion wasn't something anyone had to worry about with her, as a performance overall, great, but honestly vocally not for me. I would say if you mixed Marisha and Amber you probably have a perfect performer/Effie. Totally agree, both of them have amazing parts to their performance - together they'd be unstoppable! |
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Post by music0fthenight on Jul 22, 2017 15:44:56 GMT
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Post by LaLuPone on Jul 22, 2017 15:54:34 GMT
Perhaps they took away the alternate title from Marisha and Karen in preperation to put alternate in front of Marisha, Karen AND Amber and give Ruth lead? Maybe she's finally "got this"? |
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Post by daniel on Jul 22, 2017 16:10:11 GMT
Maybe because they replaced her?
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Post by d'James on Jul 22, 2017 16:28:09 GMT
Are there any other/amateur productions coming up that we know of?
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Post by LaLuPone on Jul 22, 2017 16:53:38 GMT
What if she saw us discussing the Amber, Marisha and Karen situation on here and got a bit jealous so did some cheeky tweets to regain our attention?
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Post by showtoones on Jul 22, 2017 18:43:31 GMT
Don't worry...she's got this
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 22, 2017 19:21:40 GMT
Don't worry...she's got this Or not... |
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