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Post by stevej678 on Jan 30, 2017 22:28:32 GMT
Coke can girl Tara in Exposure the Musical. As if being a homeless, penniless artist wasn't tragic enough, she has to share the stage with Michael Greco.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 30, 2017 22:45:01 GMT
Hunyak the Hungarian girl in Chicago. Oh yes, that "Not guilty" is haunting. The first time I saw Chicago, in I think it was 2011, it was Lucy Jane Adcock in the role & I can still hear her "Not guilty" in my mind's ear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 23:16:40 GMT
Mrs Lovett from Sweeney Todd. You could say she brought it on herself, but still very tragic That's funny. I don't find Mrs. Lovett to be tragic at all. She lies, she steals, she manipulates, she assists in murder, and she grinds up people and bakes them into meat pies. Next to the Judge, she's the real villain of the piece (and even he stops short of cannibalism). Sweeney is a much more tragic figure, imo. He loses his wife, his daughter, his freedom, his sanity, his daughter (a second time), his wife (ditto), and finally his life. Even though Sweeney kills god knows how many people? Mrs Lovett is trying to make the best of a very bad situation. She doesnt (entirely) lie to Sweeney, she says Joanna poisoned herself, its Sweeney who assumes she died because of it. She never kills anyone and uses the 'meat' that she is given. Mrs Mooney actually killed cats  Mrs Lovett does it all out of love for Sweeney. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 23:58:21 GMT
Bruce Boggtrotter.
No one should be subjected to that amount of chocolate cake. 😢
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Post by Michael on Jan 31, 2017 0:10:58 GMT
It has to be Lucy the Slut - she ends up being religious person. Poor girl  |
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Post by ncbears on Jan 31, 2017 5:01:53 GMT
My first thought was Ellen in Miss Saigon. The audience hates her before she does anything wrong. She is in a horrible situation through no fault of her own with nothing but bad choices. (Ok.I don't like her final choice about Kim and Tam - but it is understandable) And the poor actor bears the audience's reaction. Simply tragic. Ok - no character arc and she doesn't die - so I guess that disqualifies her!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 5:46:09 GMT
Mrs Lovett is trying to make the best of a very bad situation. She doesnt (entirely) lie to Sweeney, she says Joanna poisoned herself, its Sweeney who assumes she died because of it. She never kills anyone and uses the 'meat' that she is given. Mrs Mooney actually killed cats Mrs Lovett does it all out of love for Sweeney. In every production I've seen it's quite clear that she intentionally chooses her words to give the impression that Lucy is dead. If you're telling someone that his wife tried to poison herself then whether she lived or died is kind of the most important point you could possibly leave out. It's the only thing that truly matters, and in deliberately giving the wrong impression Mrs Lovett is taking this man who'd been wrongly convicted of a crime in order to get his wife away from him and exploiting the situation entirely for her own ends no matter what the cost to anyone else. |
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Post by Stasia on Jan 31, 2017 6:18:44 GMT
For me that saddest character is definitely Kim. Losing her family, she had to work in that loisy club and sell her body. She finds love only to lose it immediately. She raises a child in a slam, she finds out all her childish naive dreams are ruined and she makes the hardest choice of all (as she thinks it's the only chance for her kid to escape the same destiny).
Fantine comes near this as her journey basically ended before she had to make such a choice, but the story is pretty much the same.
But Kim's story is covered better and gives more details of that sh*tty life so for me it is much harder to live through it.
And comparing to these all the "omg Eponine loves him and he doesn't love her back" and "Mrs Lovett ends sad" and especially Stephen Ward... Think of the choices the characters make, not only about the situations the author puts them in.
And speaking of RENT: it is not Angel who suffers. It is Collins. He is left and he has to live through his loss. Which is much harder, I think.
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Post by justme on Jan 31, 2017 6:30:01 GMT
For me that saddest character is definitely Kim. Losing her family, she had to work in that loisy club and sell her body. She finds love only to lose it immediately. She raises a child in a slam, she finds out all her childish naive dreams are ruined and she makes the hardest choice of all (as she thinks it's the only chance for her kid to escape the same destiny). Fantine comes near this as her journey basically ended before she had to make such a choice, but the story is pretty much the same. But Kim's story is covered better and gives more details of that sh*tty life so for me it is much harder to live through it. And comparing to these all the "omg Eponine loves him and he doesn't love her back" and "Mrs Lovett ends sad" and especially Stephen Ward... Think of the choices the characters make, not only about the situations the author puts them in. And speaking of RENT: it is not Angel who suffers. It is Collins. He is left and he has to live through his loss. Which is much harder, I think. Totally agree with Ellen but I still hate her  .... and Kim and Eponine, of course! Good point with Collins! It's really harder for him... and is heart breaking  |
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Post by singularsensation10 on Jan 31, 2017 8:19:06 GMT
I think of HAIR - and the way Claude separates from the tribe. I think it's pretty tragic for the tribe to lose their best friend to the exact thing they're protesting for. I never sat with a dry eye at the end of HAIR.
I think Eponine is pretty tragic - more so than Fantine because Eponine knew she was destined for more. She knew she was on a level with Marius but he never looked twice until it was too late. Fantine just lost all self respect then died - I think it's far more tragic that Eponine knew she was destined for more and then ended up getting shot....
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Post by westwaywanderer on Jan 31, 2017 9:16:44 GMT
Norma Desmond-Sunset Boulevard or The Witch-Into The Woods!
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Post by Kenneth_C on Jan 31, 2017 9:28:28 GMT
Even though Sweeney kills god knows how many people? And what if none of their souls were saved? They went to their Maker impeccably shaved. Mrs Lovett is trying to make the best of a very bad situation. She doesnt (entirely) lie to Sweeney, she says Joanna poisoned herself, its Sweeney who assumes she died because of it. She never kills anyone and uses the 'meat' that she is given. Mrs Mooney actually killed cats Mrs Lovett does it all out of love for Sweeney. Oh, please. She locks up Toby and actively pursues his death. Sweet, loving, dependable, nothing's-gonna-harm-you Toby. You can't get much lower than that! (And it's LUCY who poisoned herself. You know, the lady who is hanging 'round their front door every g-damn day.) I think of HAIR - and the way Claude separates from the tribe. I think it's pretty tragic for the tribe to lose their best friend to the exact thing they're protesting for. I never sat with a dry eye at the end of HAIR. Excellent choice! |
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Post by viserys on Jan 31, 2017 9:46:43 GMT
Norma Desmond is a good choice, as are Claude or Collins. People who are indeed victims of fate, who had no opportunity to change anything (ageing/falling out of favour, the draft, the loss of a beloved person...) I find Fantine's fate far too contrived to feel much sympathy for her. In all the time she didn't have a single opportunity to go check on Cosette and see what was going on there with her supposed illnesses? I am not sure how far away the Thenardiers are meant to live from where she works, but surely it would be within a weekend's walk. At the very latest, once Fantine was fired from her job, she would have rushed to fetch her daughter and seek happier pastures somewhere else. Could easily have lied that she was a widow (and thus remove the stain of Cosette's illegitimate birth). I understand why Victor Hugo created her the way he did (to bring Cosette and Valjean together), but honestly, I find her incredibly daft. Now shoot me PS: It doesn't take away from the sadness of "I dreamed a dream" which in itself IS indeed a very sad haunting number, it's just her whole story I don't buy. And don't get me started on Kim. I would agree though that Ellen is a "sad" character as in having the audience against her from the first moment despite having done absolutely nothing wrong. The last 30 mins of Miss Saigon are such a nonsensical mess though that I find it hard to feel anything for anyone. |
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Post by westendcub on Jan 31, 2017 12:56:53 GMT
Maybe not. I guess you have to die. Haha. No, not necessarily. Paul didn't die. Nor did Norma Descend- her mind and her career maybe, but nor her. I think ‘Blood Brothers’ is a brilliant example of tragic characters. The moment the deal is made between Mrs Johnstone and Mrs Lyons (‘My Child’, ‘The devils got your number’) then the tragic fate is set in motion for all the characters that will result in the tragedy for the twins. Mrs Lyons becomes over protective and then mentally unstable (‘Gyspies in the Wood’) that Edward will uncover the secret and that both Mrs Johnstone/Mickey are plotting to take him away for her. She is one that show’s Mickey of the affair between Eddie and Linda and she is a mad broken woman. Linda (a charter so full of spirit in her childhood and teens) will ultimately fall in love the twins (‘I’m not saying a word’), when she starts courting Micky, she gets pregnant and they have a shotgun wedding with Mickey being laid off at the factory. This leads him to ‘The Robbery’ and she then is left a single mother whilst Mickey is locked up and then having to deal with his depression and then fall in the affair with Eddie (There’s a girl inside the woman who’s waiting to get free). She will end up losing the two loves of her life and left to bring up the daughter alone. My point is a character does not need to die in the production for them to be a tragic character. |
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Post by d'James on Jan 31, 2017 15:19:56 GMT
My point is a character does not need to die in the production for them to be a tragic character. I know. I wish I hadn't said that now. It was the response of 'Hmmm, possibly,' that threw me. I always read these threads too fast and reply too soon that I assumed I'd misread the question, so I replied again and made it worse lol. Oh well, I won't be so hasty in future. |
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Post by Mira on Jan 31, 2017 18:08:26 GMT
Luis Alberto Molina from Kiss of the Spider Woman
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 31, 2017 18:28:51 GMT
Eddie in Rocky Horror  |
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Post by anthony40 on Jan 31, 2017 19:39:29 GMT
Norma Desmond-Sunset Boulevard or The Witch-Into The Woods! The Witch in Into The Woods? |
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Post by showtoones on Jan 31, 2017 20:02:18 GMT
Definitely Norma Desmond....or Grizabella (for 3/4 of the show anyway)
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Post by anthony40 on Jan 31, 2017 20:53:32 GMT
Definitely Norma Desmond....or Grizabella (for 3/4 of the show anyway) Grizabella! Good one |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 31, 2017 20:53:57 GMT
And speaking of RENT: it is not Angel who suffers. It is Collins. He is left and he has to live through his loss. Which is much harder, I think. I mean, I see your point, but Angel literally dies of AIDS, I wouldn't say he doesn't suffer |
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Post by crabtree on Jan 31, 2017 21:23:40 GMT
The nine Scottsboro boys.......
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Post by d'James on Jan 31, 2017 21:27:29 GMT
The whole cast of Titanic, except the horrible man.
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Post by Kenneth_C on Jan 31, 2017 21:35:22 GMT
I've just been listening to the Ragtime OBC, so I'm going to vote for Sarah. It doesn't get much more tragic than that.
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Post by d'James on Jan 31, 2017 21:36:24 GMT
I've just been listening to the Ragtime OBC, so I'm going to vote for Sarah. It doesn't get much more tragic than that. Good call! |
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Mrs Lovett does it all out of love for Sweeney.
.... and Kim and Eponine, of course! 
