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Post by kathryn on Dec 12, 2016 14:30:45 GMT
Also the greatest adage in theatre is "Booking Early to Avoid Disappointment"
This should be re-worded to "Book Early to Pay Extortionate Booking Fees" or you end up paying so early that when the event comes round it clashes with something else more important, so you end up forfeiting the money you splashed out, just so you don't get left disappointed. Apart from Harry Potter or Hamilton on Broadway, there is nothing you have to get excited about, nothing really sells out. Dynamic pricing has changed this. I recently payed £135 for 2 Cursed Child tickets in 2018, same seats would have cost £90 if I'd booked them when tickets first went on sale. (I had them in my basket and everything!!! Stupid woman!!) Then there's the likes of American Buffalo bumping ticket prices up to £125 when they proved popular (and that was for rear stalls - not even good seats!). I'm booking Hamilton London tickets as soon as I possibly can - I know that dynamic pricing will push the cost up once the initial tranche has sold. And then there's the times when the theatre has a smaller number of reasonably-priced seats which you know will sell out first, so have to snap up quickly.
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Post by viserys on Dec 12, 2016 14:43:32 GMT
I agree with EmiCardiff on having to plan ahead when travelling and wanting to risk disappointment. Sure, it's often possible to get in cheap last minute. I have to smile at my luck that I was able to get a decent seat for Half a Sixpence at £25 about twenty minutes before curtain up when Ragtime was cancelled. But, it was luck, as the stalls seemed pretty much sold out and what if the lady at the box office had decided to not sell me the ticket at a discount? I would have had to fork out full price for a mediocre seat in row R (just going back to the hotel to twiddle my thumbs all evening hadn't been an option as I wouldn't have wanted to "waste" an evening in London). Recently I talked about Paris with people here in the international section and someone wondered about buying a ticket to Le Rouge et le Noir at the box office on the day of performance and I was all like "sure, shouldn't be a problem". In fact I looked at the seating plan and it seemed there were still quite a few empty seats for the performance I had booked months ago so I asked myself "Geez, why did you bother, perhaps you could even get a discount?" But when I arrived at the theatre last weekend, I saw women with a "seeking ticket" board outside, so obviously it had sold out in the meantime. I was suddenly VERY glad that I had booked months ahead and had a great seat. And as Kathryn says and the "Rent" thread currently proves, if something sells really well, producers will bump up the prices for the few remaining seats. With "Rent" as well I had initially though "Nah, it didn't sell out back at the Shaftesbury, why should it now, might as well wait for discounts" - but something enticed me to book ahead to be sure and now I'm immensely relieved that we did book ahead. In short, when I travel, fork out for accommodation, transport and everything and there are shows I really want to see, I want to be certain of a decent seat at a decent price. That pre-planning obsession of mine at least also enabled me to see Hamilton on Broadway for $165 from a good seat
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 14:52:33 GMT
If you know you want to see a particular show on a particular day in the future, and the price you can pay at the present time is entirely reasonable to you, then why on earth wouldn't you book in advance? Dynamic pricing might mean you end up sitting there in a £65 seat surrounded by people on £10 super-discounts, but equally it could mean your seat price would've shot up to over £100 and/or been sold before you could get to it, and I might be a little annoyed about having paid so much more than my neighbours, but nowhere NEAR as annoyed as I'd be if I'd taken a gamble and discovered I had to miss out all together. Theatre relies on people paying a variety of prices for their tickets, so I'm okay sucking it up and being the mug who pays the top price once in a while.
Also, I didn't book early for The Last 5 Years, and had to pay £30 when I'd've been happier paying £15. But that was my bad for not booking right away and letting the few cheaper seats slip away. My theatre habit doesn't cost me the earth, but that's 'cos I'm on the ball and book the cheap decent seats as soon as they go on sale!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 14:58:53 GMT
ALSO booking ahead means I can do a thing called PLANNING MY LIFE which Lord knows I need as much help with as possible. In my experience the 'I'm glad I booked that or I'd have not managed to schedule it" FAR outweighs the "I have to return this due to a conflict I can't alter"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 15:10:13 GMT
I guess if you live in London (or New York or whatever major theatre city) then that really helps if you want to take things more casually, but I don't live in London so I want to make sure I'm maximising my London time efficiently. I imagine emicardiff has to maximise her London time EVEN MORE efficiently, yet is much more flexible about Cardiff shows. Damn straight we're all for "booking plenty in advance".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 15:15:34 GMT
I guess if you live in London (or New York or whatever major theatre city) then that really helps if you want to take things more casually, but I don't live in London so I want to make sure I'm maximising my London time efficiently. I imagine emicardiff has to maximise her London time EVEN MORE efficiently, yet is much more flexible about Cardiff shows. Damn straight we're all for "booking plenty in advance". Indeed! Even for "big" shows in Cardiff (so the National Tours at the WMC) unless it's with a big group of people/for an 'occasion' I'll often leave it to a few weeks/week of. For more Fringe type stuff I certainly rarely plan much beyond the month of, if that. Because such things rarely sell out, are cheaper whatever and can be shifted depending on what the week/month is throwing at me.
With London or beyond, such things take planning and putting into a diary, and yes if I'm either forking out a fortune for train or spending hours on a bus I want to make the very most of the theatre I'm seeing. And seeing 3-4 shows a weekend every few months in London sometimes paying more is actually the more 'economical' in the broader sense than risking shelling out more last minute, or missing out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 15:29:55 GMT
One of the most annoying things for me is booking for something far away and then learning that the same production is touring here to Cardiff or even nearby, say Bristol or Bath.
That's why I still can't understand Cornish people happy to leap on a coach to London to see a production which originated close to home in Plymouth.
I prefer to optimise my theatregoing by minimising travel for each production, for reasons of time and cost.
I obviously have inherited no Cornish genes.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 12, 2016 15:35:06 GMT
Some of us are just inveterate planners, anyway. I'm planning a trip to Sydney and New Zealand for 2018 right now, in fact I've been planning it for well over a year and will be ready to book it in early January. Definitely going to be checking out what Sydney Theatre Co are putting on while I'm there and booking as soon as I can - it's not like I can drop by Oz any time!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 15:44:34 GMT
Some of us are just inveterate planners, anyway. I'm planning a trip to Sydney and New Zealand for 2018 right now, in fact I've been planning it for well over a year and will be ready to book it in early January. Definitely going to be checking out what Sydney Theatre Co are putting on while I'm there and booking as soon as I can - it's not like I can drop by Oz any time!! It's a total side track but I'm very jealous! but also share your ardent planning, I was planning my most recent NY trip for about 4 months (and that's obviously somewhere I've visited a lot!)
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Post by kathryn on Dec 12, 2016 16:04:41 GMT
I think that planning happens in part because of the need to budget carefully, whether it's for holidays or theatre tickets. If you don't need to be very careful about what you pay you can be more spontaneous. If you're going to New York to see theatre you're probably looking to find the best prices for flights and hotels - buying a ticket in advance might mean you pay more than someone who buy at TKTS on the day, but it is cheaper than paying for another trip because you missed the show you really wanted to see, and may well mean you can get a cheaper flight/hotel.
But it's also just a fun way to pass the daily commute, to sit and work out exactly what you're going to do and exactly how much it will cost and how long it'll take you to save it up and, oh, maybe it'll be cheaper to do it that way so then maybe I can stay a bit longer......
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Post by wickedgrin on Dec 12, 2016 18:25:33 GMT
Basically the best seat at the cheapest price! Once upon a time this was simply not possible the prices were the prices. However, in recent years with the introduction of day and lottery seats together with dynamic pricing which means prices can go down on some occasions, getting bargains is possible.
But it is all about what you are prepared to pay for what. So for a show a really wanted to see I would pay full price (never premium on principle) but for the most part I will search out a bargain.
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Post by showgirl on Dec 12, 2016 19:11:31 GMT
Booking ahead - as I usually do - can backfire on you when shows are cancelled or travel problems arise. Luckily I tend to buy cheaper tix but if the issues on Southern Rail continue I might have to cease booking anything, as the total loss mounts up even for the lower-price seats. Some theatres will allow you to change a booking but most of those who do now add a fee (for the Arcola it was more than an extra 20% of the original ticket cost, which is pretty steep), but others won't; there is also the issue of not having another date on which you can go, or when tix are available - often the case with limited runs, tours or productions in repertoire, e.g. at the NT.
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Post by shady23 on Dec 12, 2016 22:47:01 GMT
Tonight I am staying in Leeds, having booked to see Kerry Ellis but it was cancelled. My cheap "non refundable" hotel room doesn't seem too cheap now have travelled anyway. The things we do...
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Post by wickedgrin on Dec 13, 2016 0:07:06 GMT
Yes Southern trains are a nightmare at the moment and so booking ahead - especially something expensive is an absolute no-go at the moment for me living in Brighton. Perhaps there are bargains to be had on train strike days for those folk up in London with cancelled tickets?
When is this train business going to be resolved?
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 13, 2016 0:39:13 GMT
Tonight I am staying in Leeds, having booked to see Kerry Ellis but it was cancelled. My cheap "non refundable" hotel room doesn't seem too cheap now have travelled anyway. The things we do... I would have seen either Strictly Ballroom in Leeds or Annie Get Yor Gun in Sheffield or Sweet Charily/Billy Elliot in Manchester all in an hour away from Leeds. I would not be watching Holby City in my hotel room and I hope you didn't too.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 13, 2016 0:49:06 GMT
There Emma, I saw Comet with Josh Groban and it was over 40% on TKTs. I think the only ticket I pre-booked for New York was Sweet Charity off Broadway with Sutton Foster. I got to see all the shows I wanted to see and everyone had a discount, also I didn't get ripped off by extortionate booking fees. Oh I had to pay full price fro Dear Evan Hansen. I know it was available on discount, but for me Comet and Falsettos were the only shows I HAD to see on my recent trip, and the ones I therefore wanted to be sure of good seats for. If I'd been 'meh' about it I wouldn't have bothered. Also I went to TKTS to see what was available one day and "half price" for the shows I asked after was over $100 so not much of a saving there.
Personally I also had a full schedule of holiday related things to do during my trip and didn't want to spend time queuing for tickets. So that's why I pre-booked.
Also it's Emily not Emma. Hence it being EmI with an I.
Apologies Emily 😰😰😰 Anyway I understand why you paid the money you did for comet, I paid just over $100 bucks on TKT's. With Falsettos it wasn't on TKT's and I was walking to the Walter Kerr expecting to lay down full ticket price, not full some reason I asked if they had any lottery loser tickets and I got lucky, it saved me over 100 bucks. Which I need to, I still have £4000 to knock off my visa. America ain't cheap apart from public transport and clothes? However you Emily and me Peter have to live that American Dream.
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Post by mistressjojo on Dec 13, 2016 1:46:27 GMT
Some of us are just inveterate planners, anyway. I'm planning a trip to Sydney and New Zealand for 2018 right now, in fact I've been planning it for well over a year and will be ready to book it in early January. Definitely going to be checking out what Sydney Theatre Co are putting on while I'm there and booking as soon as I can - it's not like I can drop by Oz any time!! STC have just put casual tickets for the first half of 2017 on sale this week, so you will be looking at around the same time next year to book for Jan - June 2018. The second half of the year goes on sale around February. Something for your diary kathryn .
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Post by kathryn on Dec 13, 2016 9:56:38 GMT
Thanks mistressjojo!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:52:10 GMT
haha I frequently lie to myself too Monkey "Well I reviewed 3 shows last month so that saved me about £50 so I can spent X on this one" or "Well I haven't spent that much on food this month, let's buy a ticket to ..."
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Post by viserys on Dec 13, 2016 11:28:07 GMT
It's how I justify my London trips, really. One regular-priced West End show, one fringe show and one day seat combined cost about as much as one ticket in Germany. For example we paid £55 each for best seats at Aladdin in London (preview prices admittedly) whereas a similar seat in Hamburg would cost around £130-150.
The Eurostar to London costs no more than a regular German train to Hamburg, so it's only one or two hotel nights more, so I am willing to add that for the infinitely better quality and range of shows in London.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:06:37 GMT
True story Monkey, last night I wanted beans to go with my dinner, I could find none in the cupboard...even students always have beans!!
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Post by Marwood on Dec 13, 2016 12:07:33 GMT
I've only paid £100 to see a show four times (The Elephant Man at the TRH, An Evening With Pacino at the Palladium, the Rolling Stones in Hyde Park and U2 at the O2), other than that I try to limit myself to to a top range of £60-£70, what with the travesty of a train service in London at the moment, I don't want to expose myself to any possible losses that can't be refunded/credited (booked to see The Human League at the Royal festival Hall tonight, and due to the strikes, won't be able to go unless I start walking now)
With places like the NT in the future, I'm only going to go if I can get the cheapest seats, especially after seeing rubbish like Evening At The Talk House and Peter Pan (thankfully didn't pay full price for either) I can't see how some theatres can justify charging over £50 for what they're putting on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:27:54 GMT
even students always have beans They do indeed, emicardiff, but not post-doctorate persons, it seems... No, alas. Though I blame that on poor organisation skills not just being poor (in January it may be the latter)
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Post by shady23 on Dec 13, 2016 12:46:29 GMT
Tonight I am staying in Leeds, having booked to see Kerry Ellis but it was cancelled. My cheap "non refundable" hotel room doesn't seem too cheap now have travelled anyway. The things we do... I would have seen either Strictly Ballroom in Leeds or Annie Get Yor Gun in Sheffield or Sweet Charily/Billy Elliot in Manchester all in an hour away from Leeds. I would not be watching Holby City in my hotel room and I hope you didn't too. Strictly Ballroom wasn't on tonight or that would have been an option. The rest too much faffing on with trains so the pub it was. Was either that or seeing Scotty T in the local panto.
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Post by Mr Snow on Dec 13, 2016 12:57:50 GMT
Oh, and does anyone else feel the need to celebrate with theatre tickets to mark family birthdays right out to your third cousin and all pets (including individual goldfish), royals down to Duchess of Kent level, anniversaries of starting and leaving school and university, passing driving test, purchase of TV set, expiry of extended guarantee on TV set etc, etc, etc? Haven't thought of those. But whenever possible I do like to attend special events on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays AND Saturdays. I tend to have Sunday's off. After all I need to remind myself, I'm not a complete lunatic.
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